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starcrossedleo
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posted June 05, 2011 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starcrossedleo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am curious since it is such a common question for astrologers. What method do you like to predict age at marriage (year of marriage.

One that I know is measuring distance between personal planets tocome up with age at marriage.

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Nine
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posted June 05, 2011 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard outer planet transit to 7th house ruler.

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starcrossedleo
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posted June 05, 2011 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starcrossedleo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you. My H7 ruler is Jupiter (19 deg Aries) so the next outer planet to transit my N jupiter is Uranus in 2015.

Am I doing it right? I am new to this.

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posted June 05, 2011 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked the day I got married..
H7 ruled by merc (in leo)

T.Venus was conjunct my Mercy
T.Mercury had passed my Venus
but still in the same sign

T.NN/SUN was conjunct my SN
T.Eros conjunct my NN
T.URanus opps my Leo stellium
T.Pluto trined my Leo stellium

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sunshine9
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posted June 05, 2011 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question; I'd love to know too!

I was reading up on progressions and transits last night, and read that anything hitting a sensitive point (like the Sun/Moon midpoint, Vertex, Descendant) could trigger an event like that.

I'll take a look for the link..

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posted June 05, 2011 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think about transits to the composite chart? Think those would prove anything?

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sunshine9
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posted June 05, 2011 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I found it. It's from http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/predictingloverelationships.html

Astrology Topics: predicting love relationships & marriage

"Some of the most common questions asked of an astrologer are "When will I find love?" and "When will I marry?"

The answer, as is the case with any kind of prediction, is not clear-cut. In fact, it can be downright complicated.

This article attempts to put together some of the theories as to the timing of romantic periods in a person's life.

The following are pointers and tips culled from my own experience, research, and astrology practice. A real-life case study is included.

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Key Things to Look For:

Formulate a list of the following points and planets so that you can quickly and easily look for sensitive romantic/love times in a person's life:

Sun/Moon Midpoint.

Venus

Descendant

Vertex

Ruler of the 7th House

Ruler of the 5th House

North Node

Some of these points may overlap. For example, if Venus rules the individual's 7th house, you wouldn't need to note down the position of Venus twice, although it is helpful to make a mental note that Venus is likely to be a particularly sensitive point.

We will be looking for hard aspects to these points, as well as "soft" ones, in terms of transits and progressions. Hard aspects include the conjunction, square, opposition, semi-square, and sesquiquadrate. Soft aspects include the trine and sextile.

Although squares, conjunctions, and oppositions are fairly easy to spot, the semi-square (45 degrees) and sesquiquadrate (135 degrees) are not as intuitive. In order to organize your reading, the best thing to do is to calculate a list/table as found in the case study that follows this discussion.

Sun/Moon Midpoint:

The Sun/Moon midpoint ()of any chart involves taking the midpoint between the Sun and the Moon. In the example given in Figure A, the Sun is at 25 Virgo 21 (25�21) and the Moon is at 28 Pisces 25 (28�25).

When working with midpoints, the best technique to use is to first convert the positions of the planets to the 360 degree zodiac.

The following table will help you convert the degrees of the zodiac into 360 degree format:

Aries 0
Taurus 30
Gemini 60
Cancer 90
Leo 120
Virgo 150
Libra 180
Scorpio 210
Sagittarius 240
Capricorn 270
Aquarius 300
Pisces 330

Venus. Note down the position of Venus, as this planet, whether it is connected to the 5th and 7th houses or not, is often figured in any kind of romantic predictive work. Venus, of course, is the planet of love and relationships, and is the natural ruler of the 7th house.

Descendant. The Descendant is directly opposite the Ascendant, and by including it in our table, we can safely "kill two birds with one stone" as we will be looking for transits and progressions to both the Descendant (7th house cusp) and the Ascendant at once.

Vertex. The Vertex is a sensitive point that is often considered another Descendant. It shows up frequently when people meet significant partners. In my experience, it is often activated in progressions at these times.

Ruler of the 7th House. The 7th house rules close partnerships, and is an important factor to consider in our analysis. In our example, we see that Libra is on the cusp of the 7th house. The natural ruler of Libra is Venus, and since we have already included Venus in our table, we do not need to add it again. However, we can make a mental note that the importance of Venus in our analysis is stronger than usual.

Ruler of the 5th House. Because the 5th house rules, in part, romantic relationships, we look to its ruler and its activation by transit or progression in romantic predictive work. This planet will not be quite as important as the 7th house ruler, but should be considered nevertheless.

North Node. The Nodal axis has been seen to be very important in predictive work in terms of making connections with others, especially emotional and/or spiritual ones. By including the North Node only in our table, we are not giving it priority over the South Node. Because the North Node and the South Node are directly opposite each other, we will be looking for aspects to both nodes at the same time

Summary and Pointers:

It is important to note that it isn't likely that there is a "formula" for determining times when people will fall in love. This is because each of us is completely unique, and the planets and points involved in a prediction will be individual to each person. Looking to the past is generally very helpful before turning our attention to the future! Take a look at times when you met significant others in the past, and note what was happening by transit and progression.

By formulating a table of sensitive points in the natal chart as outlined above, we can then turn to the predictive techniques of transits, Secondary Progressions, and Solar Arc Directions, for periods of time when these sensitive points are activated (or "triggered"). Generally, many transits and progressions occur to these points, not just one or two."

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posted June 05, 2011 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sunshine9:
The answer, as is the case with any kind of prediction, is not clear-cut. In fact, it can be downright complicated.

Then goes onto give 20 different signs which could indicate marriage. In your mind was the information useful?

1st and 7th house ruler, or even just 7th ruler. It depends as you have to look at when you meet your partner, which would also be 1st and 7th. 1st for you/ppI, the aspect for 'meet' and 7th for 'partner'

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posted June 05, 2011 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KURT COBAIN
Married 24th february 1992.

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1st ruler MERCURY, 7th ruler NEPTUNE.

Transit NEPTUNE +60 to natal MERCURY.
Transit MERCURY -110 to natal NEPTUNE.
Combined orb = -50

An almost exact sextile from t.Neptune to n.Mercury.

1st one I looked at.

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Coffee
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posted June 05, 2011 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
KURT COBAIN
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t.NEPTUNE +66 to n.MERCURY
t.MERCURY -51 to n.NEPTUNE

Combined orb = +15


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posted June 05, 2011 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You could add the distance between the Sun (for women) and Moon (for men) and the closest planet, not including Mercury if it conjuncts either. Also, Juno can show the age of marriage as well. It doesn't always work though. Venus to the Descendant can work too. If the number is too big you can divide with whole numbers and half numbers as well.

Hmmm... T. Uranus is conjunct my natal Moon, my 7th house ruler, this year. We'll see what happens. Also, check your Solar Return chart.

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posted June 05, 2011 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
Then goes onto give 20 different signs which could indicate marriage. In your mind was the information useful?

LOL.. the irony in that had totally escaped me, until you pointed it out!

Alas, Coffee, I have no proof any of that actually works.. I've not studied my chart or anyone else's from this point of view (I've spent way more time on natal, synastry & horary analysis than anything else). Mid-points aside, I'm hoping to learn more about progressions next, because I think the answer to this question & really any type of timing question may largely lie there - but that is just my instinct, given what I know. I think someone much more proficient, such as yourself, may be the better judge of that!

In fact, the vast ocean of information & misinformation out there boggles my mind so much, I posted my chart & that of my man just last night in Personal Readings in the hopes of getting some answers!

Sunshine

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posted June 06, 2011 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starcrossedleo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Delilah:
You could add the distance between the Sun (for women) and Moon (for men) and the closest planet, not including Mercury if it conjuncts either. Also, Juno can show the age of marriage as well. It doesn't always work though. Venus to the Descendant can work too. If the number is too big you can divide with whole numbers and half numbers as well.

Hmmm... T. Uranus is conjunct my natal Moon, my 7th house ruler, this year. We'll see what happens. Also, check your Solar Return chart.



Delila
What is it about the solar return chart that you check? The distances?

Also would it be the distance between Juno and the sun?

Thanks!

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posted June 06, 2011 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sunshine9:
LOL.. the irony in that had totally escaped me, until you pointed it out!

Alas, Coffee, I have no proof any of that actually works.. I've not studied my chart or anyone else's from this point of view (I've spent way more time on natal, synastry & horary analysis than anything else). Mid-points aside, I'm hoping to learn more about progressions next, because I think the answer to this question & really any type of timing question may largely lie there - but that is just my instinct, given what I know. I think someone much more proficient, such as yourself, may be the better judge of that!

In fact, the vast ocean of information & misinformation out there boggles my mind so much, I posted my chart & that of my man just last night in Personal Readings in the hopes of getting some answers!

Sunshine


In my humble opinion, shortened to imho, progressions are rubbish! You can find anything in your natal chart if you look.
This is a good start...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208745.html

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posted June 06, 2011 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Delilah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The closest planet to Juno works as long as it shows a reasonable age. I was looking at Joanne Woodward's chart and couldn't come up with an accurate age for her using her Sun, but her Juno worked. Her Juno at 17 degrees Cap and Mercury at 14 degrees Aqua= 27. She married Paul Newman at the age of 27, a month before she turned 28.

For the Solar Return, look for planets in the 7th house. I'm not so sure about the natal, but the Solar Return house should be reliable enough to tell you if anything is going to happen in whatever year you're looking at. Look at the aspects between the 7th house ruler and other planets, especially the 1st house ruler. Also, look at Juno- what planets does it aspect and what house is it in. In my next return my SA Saturn will conjunct my natal Juno and my SA Juno will conjunct my natal Saturn. There isn't much information on this, but I was told that it could mean that I will have a serious conversation about marriage. Also, Saturn is my natal 1st house ruler, so there may be a wedding. Saturn can bring a promise, one more binding than others.

Sorry this isn't very simple or direct, but that's the trouble with predictive astrology.

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