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posted June 08, 2011 10:13 AM            

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Doing a chart with this aspect. I know we have done other threads on it so forgive me for another.
Does it make the person with it in the natal feel INSECURE about their own value as a loved person.
IOW--do they feel they do not deserve to be loved?
Do they feel they are not worth being loved?
Do they see themselves as skewed?

Or/and Do they not see the lover clearly?

Thanks so very much for any help!

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posted June 08, 2011 10:24 AM            

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Ami, I think my problem (because I hear this time and time again from other people)
is that I just don't see "clearly" in love as in, I idealize it to fairytale proportions. I never had a healthy relationship in my life between a man and a woman that I could emulate as I come from a broken home, and I just have no clue what it's "supposed" to be like...

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posted June 08, 2011 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by etherealenlightenment:
Ami, I think my problem (because I hear this time and time again from other people)
is that I just don't see "clearly" in love as in, I idealize it to fairytale proportions. I never had a healthy relationship in my life between a man and a woman that I could emulate as I come from a broken home, and I just have no clue what it's "supposed" to be like...

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I see Darling

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posted June 08, 2011 10:28 AM            

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Ethereal
I was thinking about this,today. My book says that IF you have an aspect IN your chart,you will see through the lens of that aspect no matter what your background
I am NOT saying this is true or not.I was just pondering it,today.
I have Saturn conj the ASC.
I blame my mother for my problems

Maybe it was my chart that did it,not her lol

I am just throwing this out in the mix, Baby.

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posted June 08, 2011 11:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Ethereal
I was thinking about this,today. My book says that IF you have an aspect IN your chart,you will see through the lens of that aspect no matter what your background
I am NOT saying this is true or not.I was just pondering it,today.
I have Saturn conj the ASC.
I blame my mother for my problems

Maybe it was my chart that did it,not her lol

I am just throwing this out in the mix, Baby.

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No, I see what you're saying.
I'm not trying to blame them for my life issues (although I'm sure it comes a across that way).
It's just that they didn't exactly help in that department either.
Maybe this is just an inherent part of who I am (I mean, I do have the aspect in my chart) but I never really had a healthy example to follow, which might have been beneficial.

I love my parents very very much, and I know that they love me, but to classify my relationship with them as "complicated" would be the understatement of the century. My Dad left my Mom and I when I was born because he wanted a boy (obviously that didn't quite work out for him). Their relationship was kind of of and on throughout their marriage (if that's possible? lol). My Mom then chose her relationship with my Stepdad over me when it became clear that my Stepdad didn't like me. My Father did the same thing when he remarried. So... this is the probably the shortest summary of my relationship with either of my parents I've ever written. It's been hard.

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posted June 08, 2011 11:05 AM            

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Darling
*I* was talking about myself--not you about the "blame" thing.
I was referring to my own Saturn conjunct the ASC

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posted June 09, 2011 12:20 AM            

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I'm butting in here, but I don't like the term 'broken home' since it makes you seem like some sort of victim, and Neptune gets too comfortable in that space. You can still have a solid relationship and inject lots of fantasy elements in it, for example romantic settings for dates and lots of fantasy in the sex life, etc, or do art together, things like that, there are definitely positives to this aspect. It seems with this one that the mother had lots of idealism regarding her love life that for one reason or another didn't pan out and then it's projected onto the child, if the child is a daughter then it's directly infused into her sense of a woman so that it seems somewhat fractured and weak, but it doesn't have to stay that way. Neptune can be molded and play whatever part you like, so it's all in the role that you take on. IMO Venus/Neptune people are quite seductive so that is a plus as well.

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