posted June 10, 2011 11:17 PM            

im finding myself in an inner debate on which house system to lean on more. in placidus my sun/mars/merc are in the 6th, my moons in the 5th, my jupiter 3rd and my saturn/neptune/uranus are in the 9th.

but when i use equal my sun/mars/merc is in the 5th, moon in the 4th, jupiter on the 2/3 house cusp, saturn and uranus in the 8th and neptune on the 9th/8th cusp house.

posted June 10, 2011 11:57 PM            

I've rectified lots of sports peoples charts and worked out that house rulers 1 and 6 in combined orb show when they are likely to play well/score a goal.

Take Scorpio rising. I would use 1st ruler PLUTO, and 6th ruler MARS, in WHOLE SIGN. this worked for the sports people.

When I looked at Placidus, I would see that 1st ruler was PLUTO and 6th ruler was VENUS. This didn't work for the sports people.

Just going by this little experiment, I can honestly say, and I studied thousands of charts of sports people and horses, that having the correct house rulers makes a lot of difference when judging the charts of winners. This is in transit.

Also, Whole sign, over equal, brings more emphasis on the signs. you get equal houses and equal signs, with equal 30 degree aspects too. The symmetry is reflected through this house system.

I highly recommend you use WHOLE SIGN House System.

posted June 11, 2011 01:11 AM            

I like it because it give my Scorpio the place it deserves, if you use equal/placidius with my chart most of my 1st is Sag. I am NOT a natal Sag rising...(I'm a Sag moon though) I dont like that my transit would match up with Sag risings when I'm a Scopio rising. Plus it doesnt split up my cap stellium.

posted June 11, 2011 11:05 AM            

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if you use equal/placidius with my chart most of my 1st is Sag.

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That doesn't actually matter though. I'm a late Gem Rising, most of my 1st is in Cancer, but I'm not a Gem/Cancer rising, just a Gem. What matters is if you have planets there. If you have a Sag Moon in the 1st in Placidus, it will move to 2nd house in whole sign. That's a big difference in temperment.

posted June 11, 2011 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Whole sign is that it moves my moon from 8th to 9th and my Neptune from the 12th to the 1st, and those don't make alot of sense to me. And transit wise, its totally off the mark. Its almost the same as reading a solar-based horoscope IMO.

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I find it harder for others to read their chart in an objective way, when they don't even do the correct astrology. Mention combined orb and they go all into a tizzy, or even question my knowledge, like they want to defend against them not doing astrology right. It's a defence to let yourself know that the way you have been taught is right.

Check by transits if you know hoe to do that, as transits are much more important imo (no humble there) than what you and other think.

posted June 11, 2011 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I find it harder for others to read their chart in an objective way, when they don't even do the correct astrology. Mention combined orb and they go all into a tizzy, or even question my knowledge, like they want to defend against them not doing astrology right. It's a defence to let yourself know that the way you have been taught is right.

Check by transits if you know hoe to do that, as transits are much more important imo (no humble there) than what you and other think.

A time based house system is the correct one to use with side-e-real, equal goes with the western way. Check it out.

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Did you read anything I said? Because I also said that BY TRANSIT it doesn't make an iota of sense for me, wise one.

posted June 11, 2011 02:25 PM            

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quote:Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Whole sign is that it moves my moon from 8th to 9th and my Neptune from the 12th to the 1st, and those don't make alot of sense to me. And transit wise, its totally off the mark. Its almost the same as reading a solar-based horoscope IMO.

I find it harder for others to read their chart in an objective way, when they don't even do the correct astrology. Mention combined orb and they go all into a tizzy, or even question my knowledge, like they want to defend against them not doing astrology right. It's a defence to let yourself know that the way you have been taught is right.

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Well gee whiz, sorry for being skeptical and not swallowing every thing you say just because you said it. The combined orb didn't work for the birth of my parents.

And what's the "right" way to do astrology? Your way that you made up? Not the way that astrology has been practiced for thousands of years?

posted June 11, 2011 03:10 PM            

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[B] Well gee whiz, sorry for being skeptical and not swallowing every thing you say just because you said it. The combined orb didn't work for the birth of my parents.

And what's the "right" way to do astrology? Your way that you made up? Not the way that astrology has been practiced for thousands of years?

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Did you post your combined orb for your parents in the 'when were your parents born?' If so, I wouldn't mind looking again, for you.

Not the way I've made up, the way I've researched over the many years. I got into astrology from a journalists pov seeing what it was all about. It just didn't work when I did the Mercury = communication way, so made an objective as possible attempt to find the right way. I'm not doing it to raise my profile, I'm doing it for the astrology students who learn astrology. I want a way that means astrology can be done accurately. It's not a great guide, but when I have influential people letting me know they watch what I do, I assume something that I've done is good.

It may well be that this astrology has been practised for years, but may not, as the higher ups may not want the real astrology to get out, so they pass a chinese whisper through some respectable astrologers, onto the general public. Yes, it can be conflicting to say that higher ups approve of the way I do it, yet some in that bracket may want it covering up. Maybe the threats to me were just for a bit of fun. I cannot predict the sports results 100 per cent, perfect, but I can do it very well.

posted June 11, 2011 09:34 PM            

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wouldnt sun/mars/merc in the 5th make someone rather social, and risk taking? versus sun/mars/merc in the 6th would be more reserved and more of a loner?

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posted June 12, 2011 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by BeholdAstarte:
well with whole house the only different besides house cusps is that my merc is on the cusp of 5/6th.

wouldnt sun/mars/merc in the 5th make someone rather social, and risk taking? versus sun/mars/merc in the 6th would be more reserved and more of a loner?

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posted June 12, 2011 07:53 AM            

Nick Campion: The issue of whether there is anything in astrology that is "out there" and "real" often comes down to the claims astrologers make for particular techniques or ways of constructing a horoscope and the house system. Competing house systems is one of the main problems in astrology from that point of view, quite apart from the problem of the sidereal versus tropical zodiacs. How do we decide which house system to use, let alone which zodiac? You once said that "you should use the house system that works for you." That sounds like you are putting the astrologer in the centre of the equation, rather than the astrology.

Liz Greene: Only in part. I think that all these different structural approaches open a window on something, but it is a narrow window and no single one of them reveals the whole landscape. I think that's why they all have validity to some astrologers but not to others.

Nick Campion: So would you agree with astrologers who say that astrologers get the clients that they need?

Liz Greene: Yes.

Liz Greene is so insightful and brilliant...

posted June 12, 2011 08:31 AM            

For example, my first house cusp/Ascendant is 24 degrees Libra. Whenever I meet a Libra Sun, because most of my first house is dominated by Scorpio is Placidus or Equal house systems, most of the time their sun is in my twelfth house in those house systems. I notice that regardless of the Sun being in the twelfth house, there is a "Hey! We really get each other here" kind of vibe. My unconscious projected identity is in harmony with their ego/life force. There are definite similarities shared between us, a strong "flow" if you will. A natural sun in the first house kind of description in a synastry reading that the Whole Sign house system would show me when using that system.

However, in reality as the relationship proceeds the twelfth house energy comes into play. There is something mysterious happening between us that I can't put my finger on. Issues related to trust, mysticism, secrets, and privacy slowly work their way up into the relationship. Despite the similarities between us, the twelfth house issues become the major focus over time.

Despite not having the same instant similarity/recognition that I get from a Libra Sun, the sign I actually notice the most is Scorpio.(who the majority of the time have their sun in my first house in Placidus/Equal) It's as if every time someone has their Sun or ANY other planets in Scorpio, it's as if it is shoved right in my face and I can't look away. They seem to notice me as well. Scorpio out of all the signs, has also been the one to approach me or to comment on my appearance.

My Descendant is Aries. It doesn't matter if their Sun is actually in my seventh house in Placidus or Equal, I always get that energized feeling being around the planet person that they have something I lack. They have a puzzle piece to "complete" me somehow. Seems to line right up with their Sun falling in my seventh house as whole sign house system would imply. But when I look at the chart and The Sun in the sixth house in Placidus or Equal... Guess what we seem to focus on?: sixth house issues but with a strong seventh house feeling of that that person would make a natural team in dealing with these issues with me.

My eighth house cusp is Taurus. The men have always been the best looking out of all the signs in the zodiac to me. Their approach to romance and relationships is very sexy to me. But since most of my eighth house in the other systems like Placidus is covered by Gemini, they are the ones I seem to encounter and have that mysterious, powerful, alluring, and very sexual affect on me. A feeling of fate or intensity... And they have initiated topics whether about the occult, psychology, sex, and other eighth house matters more frequent than just about any other sign I've met. This somehow seems natural in doing this with me to them.

I hope this makes sense to someone out there. This is only my opinion. I don't expect it to work for everyone. My opinion is Whole sign is generalized on a broader spectrum than Equal or Placidus. But Equal and Placidus hone in on key issues that Whole Sign might otherwise miss. Whole sign is more about "feeling" or intuition, where Placidus or Equal are about what happens in reality -- the bottom line in some circumstances.