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posted June 11, 2011 01:23 AM            

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What aspects or house placements would make a person particularly blood thirsty or warrior like and seemingly industructable? Not for show like mars, I mean the real deal, where its almost instinctive and uncontrolable. Is anyone getting a pluto vibe like I am?
If I had to guess?
Sun-pluto or mars-pluto...?

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posted June 11, 2011 03:49 AM            

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Scorpio first, Pluto as an afterthought.

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posted June 11, 2011 04:50 AM            

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Hmmm
Trying to think
Pluto conjunct something big like Sun or Mars perhaps.Then square it to something big like Mars.
8th house involvement
Have it in Cardinal signs
I guess you would just stack a bunch of things on top of each other to get the LEVEL of intensity you seem to be meaning
Who is this person? Potential boyfriend or just a friend?

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posted June 11, 2011 12:11 PM            

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Mars/Pluto
Mars/Sun
Mars/ Uranus
Mars/ Jupiter

Mars usually.
Pluto is not warriorlike - it is more passive.

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posted June 11, 2011 12:51 PM            

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I agree with FleurdeLis, Pluto is control.
Pluto will ploy and stab you in the back. Mars touched by an outer planet can wreak havoc - but blood thirst would be indeed Pluto.

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posted June 11, 2011 02:32 PM            

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Based on anecdote and experience, Mercury and/or sun square or opp. Pluto. Pluto is vicious, but Saturn is cruel too. I'd add Saturn. Saturn in hard aspect to sun, Mercury, moon and Pluto. I have definitely had my moments with the Pluto/Mercury opposition in my own chart.

I've experienced more viciousness from Capricorn than Scorpio but they both have the capacity for it, I believe.

Does anyone else have experience with Saturn square Pluto? I've met several people near my age group with that aspect, they seem to be invariably hard people. I have Pluto/Saturn trine and I cannot relate.

edit: Of course, Pluto/Mars. Definitely. My only experience with it was in synastry. I have never felt anything quite like it. I wouldn't mind having that in a flowing aspect in my own chart.

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posted June 11, 2011 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Fleurdelis:

Pluto is not warriorlike - it is more passive.[/B]

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sun/pluto here. 100% agree

IMO, mars/uranus = aggression, erratic behavior
saturn = cruelty

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posted June 11, 2011 03:00 PM            

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HOW would Saturn in there be cruelty? I am asking to learn not to debate lol

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posted June 11, 2011 03:12 PM            

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You need the chart to see how and why someone would be vicious. But it's not going to tell you if aspects are used for good or bad.

I've got a saturn pluto square and it's used to create endurance not nastiness. It's for work and sometimes if I need to kick start myself into exercising...and it's a godsend.

Viciousness is quite catty, it might need some gemini or Libra.

I can't say that I'd be too keen to p*** off a heavy pluto type but I've got a weighty chart myself...and don't normally act out my dark side unless I think someone really deserves it....which falls somewhere in between rarely and never.

Viciousness may be seen as easily in a harsh venus aspect as a pluto one.

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posted June 11, 2011 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
HOW would Saturn in there be cruelty? I am asking to learn not to debate lol

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i guess it has to do with the fact that saturn puts a lot of pressure on us to "do" certain things or to "act" in a certain (socially accepted)way and not according to our impulses and needs...but this doesn't immediately "solve" the problem, it will rather bury it deep inside us. saturn ok can be a great teacher but firstly sets limits. it's up to us how we handle the conflict, the blockage.
PS: i am talking about people that are not evolved enough to handle saturnian, martian or unanian energy. of course a saturn aspect, even a challenging one, does not necessary lead to cruelty

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posted June 11, 2011 03:24 PM            

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I certainly think uranus can be seen to be more "cruel" than saturn...simply because it can detach itself and saturn can't do that. Saturn might inhibit but uranus just goes off into orbit and doesn't have to worry so much about things like society or status.

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posted June 11, 2011 03:26 PM            

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...editing too: I've been meaning to mention Capricorn and Saturn, from experience. I don't know why this happens, maybe it's because Cap is really good at repressing emotions, like Scorpio is.

Also, we are debating here the negative patterns of planets; handled correctly, they can be great.

BeeCalliope, the hard Pluto aspects in a natal, handled properly (it takes eons to get there) are also mind blowing (said she, with a small grin on her face )

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posted June 11, 2011 03:28 PM            

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I think we have a pattern, detachment and repression. The winners are Sco, Cap, Aqua and their corresponding planets, right?

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posted June 11, 2011 03:41 PM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
I certainly think uranus can be seen to be more "cruel" than saturn...simply because it can detach itself and saturn can't do that. Saturn might inhibit but uranus just goes off into orbit and doesn't have to worry so much about things like society or status.

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agree, but uranus will act cruel just to get out of there while saturn will secretly enjoy the experience

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posted June 11, 2011 03:50 PM            

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saturn doesn't enjoy anything does it?

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posted June 11, 2011 04:47 PM            

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I know saturn's fear because I have a ton of it in my own chart, it harbors intolerance and enables repression when it isn't satisfied.
I have been abused at the hands of heavily saturn/pluto influenced people more than once. Of course, in those I am referring to, there was a very closed view of how things are supposed to be and one suffered if they did not rise up as they were asked to. Saturn doesn't show much mercy. Pluto can see through vulnerability. The two acting in tandem can create what I see as viciousness.

I have no doubts that the same aspects can bring great wisdom.

I don't know what Uranus in aspect to Mars is like personally. I can imagine that it would be very difficult to rein in if the aspect is harsh.

I like the energy of Uranus but it is so stubborn, blindly so. Uranus would rather leave well enough alone and remain unfettered in my mind but it is the ruler of a fixed modality.

I envy having Mars/Pluto a bit, I'd love to have the strength it implies. I have a grand trine between Saturn, moon and Pluto and it definitely confers a type of strength that is hard to disturb.

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posted June 11, 2011 04:53 PM            

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dysfunctional mystic, I believe Saturn enjoys its pain and isolation actually, or it thinks it does. Saturn withholds from itself and I think that can feel like achievement. Often what Saturn withholds from itself are the very things it needs most.

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posted June 11, 2011 05:09 PM            

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I'm the same, strong Saturn in the chart and I suffered emotional abuse from Cap influenced people. It's true that Saturn gone bad enjoys other people's misery, maybe as a mechanism to cope with its own alienation.

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posted June 11, 2011 05:34 PM            

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I agree that saturn blocks what it needs the most. But the ones I've known don't like the isolation...it's one of the things they complain about the most. And they did like to celebrate when others suffered a downfall...but then I've known a few like that and they didn't have the saturn thing going on.

the thing with saturn is...it follows the rules...whatever they may be and it can be over-ruled by a strong sun.

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posted June 11, 2011 09:28 PM            

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I can be very vicious and cruel if someone double crosses me. My placements/aspects are:

Cap rising
Gemini Sun
Cap moon
Sun opposite Uranus
Saturn in Scorpio
Pluto in Scorpio
Mars trine Pluto
Pluto conjunct MC
Venus opposite Pluto
Pluto and Saturn both in the 10th house

If someone backstabs me, I can plan revenge for years to make them pay. However, I DON'T physically harm them unless they physically attack me first. I focus more on emotional harm. On the plus side, I'm extremely loyal to my friends and family. I would die for a loyal friend or family member.

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