posted June 12, 2011 11:47 PM            

the moon will oppose mars first and last. that doesn't look good.

ETA: perhaps its not bad since mars rules my third house...

he is in his own third house which is my ninth. not sure what that means.

posted June 13, 2011 12:12 AM            

Im really a novice.. My first thinking is because of another guy..

posted June 13, 2011 12:26 AM            

I'm sorry, but "why isn't he calling" isn't an appropriate horary question. Questions for horary should be worded so they are restricted to yes/no answers. You may get descriptive details surrounding the issue, but not from the question itself.

I usually word something along the lines of "Will he call me this week?" or "Will he call me (at all)?" Try that..

posted June 13, 2011 01:58 AM            

*sigh* I had a long reply typed out but a simple mistype caused it to be lost. So here is an abbreviated version of my reply.

Let me modify what I said before. Horary can answer more than yes/no questions, but they are tricky to do. You may ask "Will this happen", or "Should I do this", or "Should I choose A or B", or "How will this turn out", or even "Where is the missing item" or "What is the exact birth time?". But you can't ask what a person is thinking or feeling - well, you can, but it doesn't make for a valid horary chart. You go to Tarot for those kind of questions.

If you want horary, the right wording is essential to answering the question. The question must be asked at the moment the need to know is most pressing. Then the chart must be cast for the exact time the astrologer has understood the question. The strictures against judgement must be checked to see if the chart is readable. The houses are chosen based on what is asked, to signify the querent, quesited, and matter. Then the answer is crystal clear. Oftentimes, the chart will give you additional information about the quesited or the matter, but you still have to follow the rules for questions if you are trying to do horary.

You may try to get creative and word a horary question cleverly to answer implied questions, and I have on a few occasions, but you can't really pull a fast one on the heavens. The Universe will let you know if you're trying to do that too.

I see many folks trying Horary but few seem to do it like it really ought to be done. So, I was just making an observation - I don't mean to be a wet blanket.

posted June 13, 2011 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I think he may be receptive if you called him.

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Well I called and twice. And text a couple times as well and he didn't respond. And I just got concerned because its not like him. We just started seeing each other but its obvious that he is digging me. Just friday he sent the sweetest text...

Anyhow, I decided to go ahead and call/text again. And he responded. As I suspected earlier, he has a lot going on. At first he said everything is good. Then he text again saying its not. He has some serious issues opening up to me. Communication has been fuzzy. We can talk forever, but when it comes to difficult issues, he just freezes up. I think he has a Sun/Moon/Mercury conjunct in Scorpio. And that would definitely make him feel so self sufficient.

We'll see what happens. I text back and offered my ear...

posted June 13, 2011 08:26 PM            

so... alas. i think he's got another chick...his ex. who he mentioned casually the other day had been trying to contact him and see why they hadn't spoken. hmpf. womp.

posted June 13, 2011 09:20 PM            

You asked "why"

He is moon, and he is oppsosite Mars in his 10th..

posted June 13, 2011 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by sunshine9:
Lioness,

*sigh* I had a long reply typed out but a simple mistype caused it to be lost. So here is an abbreviated version of my reply.

Let me modify what I said before. Horary can answer more than yes/no questions, but they are tricky to do. You may ask "Will this happen", or "Should I do this", or "Should I choose A or B", or "How will this turn out", or even "Where is the missing item" or "What is the exact birth time?". But you can't ask what a person is thinking or feeling - well, you can, but it doesn't make for a valid horary chart. You go to Tarot for those kind of questions.

If you want horary, the right wording is essential to answering the question. The question must be asked at the moment the need to know is most pressing. Then the chart must be cast for the exact time the astrologer has understood the question. The strictures against judgement must be checked to see if the chart is readable. The houses are chosen based on what is asked, to signify the querent, quesited, and matter. Then the answer is crystal clear. Oftentimes, the chart will give you additional information about the quesited or the matter, but you still have to follow the rules for questions if you are trying to do horary.

You may try to get creative and word a horary question cleverly to answer implied questions, and I have on a few occasions, but you can't really pull a fast one on the heavens. The Universe will let you know if you're trying to do that too.

I see many folks trying Horary but few seem to do it like it really ought to be done. So, I was just making an observation - I don't mean to be a wet blanket.

Sunshine

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Ohh I hate when that happens.. ITs a bummer

In this chart I see her as Saturn him as Moon.. He is opps Mars (her h3 ruler) I assumed another male) but now going back and looking.. He's saying he's busy at work.. Mars is in 10th and her 3rd..

His 3rd ruler (venus) has a nice trine to her, which is why I say he would be receptive to her, if she called...

Sounds like he was... He just had to explain that he's been busy..

posted June 13, 2011 09:39 PM            

well he called and wants to see me. i'm going to ask him whats going on...

he sent me a string of texts telling me all the work he has to do and ended with "anything other than that i don't have time for" that sounds like i don't have time for you to me but he never clarified so i'll find out tonight.

i guess he is telling the truth @Lioness. he keeps coming up as the king of pentacles in my readings... but i also keep getting the 10 of pentacles and 10 of cups...I'M CONFUSED!

i'll find out soon enough. its only monday...

posted June 15, 2011 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Ohh I hate when that happens.. ITs a bummer

In this chart I see her as Saturn him as Moon.. He is opps Mars (her h3 ruler) I assumed another male) but now going back and looking.. He's saying he's busy at work.. Mars is in 10th and her 3rd..

His 3rd ruler (venus) has a nice trine to her, which is why I say he would be receptive to her, if she called...

Sounds like he was... He just had to explain that he's been busy..

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Thanks for responding, Lioness; you seem like a good sport - I like you!

posted June 15, 2011 06:10 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by sunshine9:
Lioness,

*sigh* I had a long reply typed out but a simple mistype caused it to be lost. So here is an abbreviated version of my reply.

Let me modify what I said before. Horary can answer more than yes/no questions, but they are tricky to do. You may ask "Will this happen", or "Should I do this", or "Should I choose A or B", or "How will this turn out", or even "Where is the missing item" or "What is the exact birth time?". But you can't ask what a person is thinking or feeling - well, you can, but it doesn't make for a valid horary chart. You go to Tarot for those kind of questions.

If you want horary, the right wording is essential to answering the question. The question must be asked at the moment the need to know is most pressing. Then the chart must be cast for the exact time the astrologer has understood the question. The strictures against judgement must be checked to see if the chart is readable. The houses are chosen based on what is asked, to signify the querent, quesited, and matter. Then the answer is crystal clear. Oftentimes, the chart will give you additional information about the quesited or the matter, but you still have to follow the rules for questions if you are trying to do horary.

You may try to get creative and word a horary question cleverly to answer implied questions, and I have on a few occasions, but you can't really pull a fast one on the heavens. The Universe will let you know if you're trying to do that too.

I see many folks trying Horary but few seem to do it like it really ought to be done. So, I was just making an observation - I don't mean to be a wet blanket.

Sunshine

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i didn't mean to ignore you sunshine. how can i ignore the sunshine?!

I tend to have a more modern and unconventional approach to not only horary, but astrology. I've found that house rulership in horary can give so much insight. Also, I like to know what other people see. So, that's why I posted.

I do tend to agree with some of the horary strictures and rules, but I think most are antiquated and valuable information can still be garnered even when not strictly following the rules.

posted June 15, 2011 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
No prob... Just wondering do you agree with how I interpret the chart?
Im barely learning...
So If you want to add something that I missed..

I also think he's confused.. about something.
Maybe about his friendship...

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What would make you say that?

He does have a lot going on. However, I am realizing how paranoid I am. He has been pretty honest and straightforward with me...baring the usual Scorpio secretiveness. I'm learning to take things at face value.

I have Saturn conjunct Mars in Scorpio...And just assume that there is more and that people are hiding things. Its not always like that, I'm learning. I don't have to be a detective about everything. That is a hard lesson...I'll get it though.

posted June 15, 2011 06:44 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lioness:
I say that because the Sun is conjunct the SN.. Which I have been told meanings confusion..

The sun is also a 2nd indicator of him... The sun is in his 11th house so I put it together as he's confused about his friendship...
But he's conjunct Mercury.. Im not sure what mercury is here in this chart. (sorry)

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Upon an objective look, this chart is very clear. House rulerships work well...now that I am more detached, I can see.

If he is Sun, Mercury rules his second house. And he is DEFINITELY concerned about money. Mercury is strengthened ( I think) being in such close orb, less than 1 degree. And sense the conjunct is separating he is coming out of money troubles...which is true. He also has Saturn in his 2nd house...

The next aspect of the Sun before it changes sign is an opposition to the NN. Which i think should be honored (although it probably isn't in traditional horary) So perhaps that shows that in the future or now that will be an event that changes his fortune or turns things around.

He is in my 5th house, which is actually a good thing. He is in his own house which could show his focus on his goals, which is also very true. HE is almost solely focused on that.

Also, him as the Moon in his 3rd house is opposing Mars which rules his 9th house. And he actually in in the middle of a law suit with him as the prosecutor. So that is also on his mind.

So, money concerns, work and legal are the issues of why he hadn't called. All very true.

posted June 15, 2011 06:52 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lioness:
See your way better at this than me

Wanna try one for me? I cant do my own... lol

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sure

posted June 15, 2011 06:59 PM            

Im saturn he's moon..

posted June 15, 2011 07:04 PM            

He's hiding something from me since he's in my 12th...

I cant see it...

posted June 15, 2011 07:38 PM            

Hey can I do the 10 min thingy.. lol