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Jounia
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posted June 14, 2011 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any ideas anyone? We cannot agree on anything. I feel that there is no logic to what she says and if I have an opposite opinion to her, she takes it personally...

I made a comparison chart on astro.com - I'm on the outside.

Many thanks.

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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mother issues--My fave
I will look later

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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her Saturn is conjunct your Pluto


WOW-if she were a guy I would run away

Your Saturn oppose her Venus
Your Saturn square her Uranus
Her Uranus square her Mercury

Man--how does this feel lol

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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her Mars conjunct Jupiter is conjunct your Chiron-ouch.
Mars on Chiron would be a sore wound ,indeed.
Chiron could be thought of as an open wound.Any planet coming to Chiron seems to be asking something of the Chiron person.
Your mother seems to be asking YOU to heal her,be responsible for her, be the "mother" to her.
Do you feel that?

If not ,I am thinking it may be a different explantion. Tell me what you think
If not,her Mars may be trying to make your Chiron move and be shaken up.

I think the former cuz of my experience with my mother's Sun on my Chiron.

I have theories about Chiron that I would love to bounce around with you cuz you are living it ,now,with your mother.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If she has Mars conjunct Jupiter,it makes her Mars even stronger too cuz Jupiter strengthens everything.
After you address these things,I will come back and look some more
Also,I will try to see ways you can relate better to her !

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Jounia
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posted June 14, 2011 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami Anne, thanks for this I'd love to know how to relatye to her better.

The theory about her wanting me to be her mother.... to be honest I don't feel that.

Ask some more questions and I'll anwser them

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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will think about this and be back. It helps to talk about these things

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her Uranus conjuncts your NN.WOW
Her wild, up and down, and electrical type of Aquarian energy is attached to your life path.

How does that feel lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted June 14, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to ask you about your Mom's mars/Jupiter conjunction conjunct your Chiron.

My experience with my Mom's Sun conjunct my Chiron was that I, the Chiron,was FORCED to heal her wounds.

My question is "Does the Chiron person have to heal the planet person?
What do you think as it relates to your Mom?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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CrazyAquarian
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posted June 14, 2011 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't see it?

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Doreen
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posted June 15, 2011 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doreen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neither can I

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Lonake
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posted June 15, 2011 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't see the chart but the topic heading made me smile. You prob drive her to insanity too.

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Betty Boop
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posted June 15, 2011 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is she a pretty cold person? very detached?
I noticed she has Venus retro.

Also sometimes Venus retro - seem a little bit "out of it" as though they can be right next to you - but they are not completely there. Do you ever have that problem?

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posted June 15, 2011 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I saw it yesterday btw ^ I can't see it now either lol

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Jounia
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posted June 15, 2011 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok... Can someone please advise me - how can I post aq chart from astro.com? Obviously I'm doing something wrong...

And yes, I also drive her to insanity

And she's not cold at all - quite the opposite!

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Ami Anne
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posted June 15, 2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Is she a pretty cold person? very detached?
I noticed she has Venus retro.

Also sometimes Venus retro - seem a little bit "out of it" as though they can be right next to you - but they are not completely there. Do you ever have that problem?


Interesting Betty
I did not know this but one person I knew with it was like this.
Is it a sense of being "slow" but in the emotional sense not the mental sense?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Jounia
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posted June 15, 2011 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, the chart is back

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Lonake
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posted June 16, 2011 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mercury square Sun stands out, usually the Sun person will not take in what Mercury says, cos it's not in line with what they are about, it's like the Sun person puts their fingers in their ears and says 'nah nah nah nah', in one ear out the other. With no helpful aspects elsewhere that one can really grate, esp if either person is natally strongly attuned to Mercury.

You're strongly Libran with that Mars/Saturn/Pluto stellium and it's squaring her Uranus in Cancer. This is prob a big culprit in the illogical comment. Air sees water as having no common sense. The biggest factor here is likely Mars square Uranus, it comes up in many explosive type of spats. You will be bringing logic to her, expecting her to have reasons and backup for everything that she claims (esp things that are demeaning or accusatory towards you) and Cancer is not about logic. They spit out whatever they feel and many times when they're upset it's whatever feels right to them, no matter that in the real world their argument holds zero merit save for serving as evidence that they are very upset.

Another upset is Moon square Moon. Your Moon in Scorp may look at her Moon in Leo and think, wow, does she ever stop with the hysterics. Her Moon in Leo may look at yours and think, wow, does she ever say anything outright and why do I have to walk on eggshells around her every time she's upset, why is she so private, she should just get things out there. She may actually embarrass you at times.

Sun opposed Moon can be problematic and then shift to positive, this is probably a seesaw type of feeling. On one hand you two jive cos you're both geared at least in some way toward security, steadfastness, being people that others can respect cos you do what you say you'll do, things of this nature. On the other hand, her Taurus Sun could, again, see you as too secretive and probing and wishes that you were more simple and practical. Your Scorpio Moon could view her as materialistic alongside having moments of sanity/stability. And you probably both see each other as quite stubborn, that is the Fixed energy working.

There's more there I know, but I'm just commenting on what stands out to me. The main 'trigger' if you will is her natal Sun Moon square (meaning that this lady really is perplexed on what she wants, and will be in the spotlight or will be fixed in her boots whenever the feeling comes over her). And that Sun Moon square feeds into your Scorp Moon causing a synastric t-square. The 'fix' if you want or it is needed, is for you two in conjunction to act out the Aquarius energy that is needed to form a Grand Cross. You need it so that you can move along your nodal path (your NN is there) and also to avoid acting out the Scorp Moon in negative ways (Moon sq NN says emotional reactions are working against where you need to be). So you can go do volunteer work together, or get invovled in politics in some way, get out and do group activities with at least 3 other people, maybe hiking in a group or something that takes the attention off of both of your personal concerns and focuses it on something that's is a bigger goal. A good one I can think of now is actually getting a group together to go walking for a cause, you know how they have those walks and runs for breast cancer or whatever cause you 2 feel tied to. Physical activity in a group would work to relieve some of that tension that goes along with the Mars/Uranus square. Otherwise, if you want a better relationship, forgive the other person for their faults and work on being the best person that you can be. Know that older people are more likely to be set in their ways and are not as a rule prone to making many changes in their attitudes or lifestyle, so you can only influence so much. The best influence with older folks is by saying your piece in terms of care and concern 'Dad, I'd like you to focus on losing weight since you are diabetic and I'd like you to be around for when my kids graduate from high school', 'Mom, I know we've had our differences, but we are wasting too much time focusing on the negatives and I'd like to enjoy our relationship now as two adults who are family and care for one another.'

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posted June 16, 2011 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And when you say she takes it personally, that is the Leo Moon right there, they are incredibly sensitive and they want to be in the know and telling the group how to run itself, if they start feeling like they are ill informed or on the outside they are not happy. So whatever you have to say make sure that you do it with respect and do not admonish them in front of a group. Ever. Even if they do it to you, don't do it in return. Let them learn by example. Next time she does something in public to make you cringe wait til you 2 are alone, tell her how it made you feel in a detached manner and say that next time there is an incident like that that you would appreciate if she told you her concerns in private (making the scorpio moon happy) rather than in public, just the same as you are taking her aside right now. They get the message, but you have to do it respectfully, in private and with no talking down to them, be detached even if it drives you up the roof. They need respect but it goes both ways, and negative Leo Moons need to learn that they tend to respond in a childish manner. But Scorpio Moons need respect as well so don't forget about your needs. And throw some humor in there since Leo Moons respond to that as well, use humor and they will be more likely to listen. Just like kids. And thank your stars that she doesn't have a Water Sun. Water and Fire is no logic whatsoever.

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posted June 16, 2011 05:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm going to super second lonake.
to me the biggest issue is the moon square. leo fixed fire, and virgo mutable earth:they really just don't get each other's energy. i would actually guess that you're mother might be even more frustrated by this than you though, because you have your moon on her IC. that is similar to a moon-moon conjunction but being her angle, she's the one who receives that energy. so on one hand she feels you completely in synch with her and then on the other there's this complete and total clash. I bet she wonders why you're always picking on her, which I bet you just see as simply pointing out details.

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posted June 16, 2011 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon square Moon wins for most-annoying-aspect-to-have-with-someone-you-are-related-to (or live with). Their habits and little idiosyncracies will drive you up the wall.

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Jounia
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posted June 16, 2011 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jounia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow guys, this couldn't be more correct! This is exactly how I feel, and exactly how it is between us! Thank you so much - especially to Lonake - I really appreciate the time you've taken to write all of that.

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posted June 19, 2011 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YW hon, hope it gets better.

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posted June 19, 2011 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starcrossedleo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your mom has almost no water (except for Uranus) My mother has absolutely no water which accounts for my mom's lack of nuturing and empathy. Perhaps you are experiencing the same thing with your mom

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