posted June 19, 2011 03:51 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Well, Melinda Loveless has Mars in Cancer 6th House and so do I. I was just wondering if they have a tendency to be violent.

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Au Contraire They are wimpy

posted June 19, 2011 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by CrazyAquarian:
Nah, must be somethin' else. Cancers in nature are gentle. They may snip their claws when angry but would rather go in their shell

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Yes for sure

posted June 19, 2011 06:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Delilah:
I knew a guy with Mars in Cancer, once upon a time ago. He wasn't violent at all. He was quite masculine and protective. I think Mars in harsh aspect to Pluto or Saturn can make a person short-tempered and violent.

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Yes I can see it with Pluto but wouldn't Saturn cool Mars?
Please explain.Can Saturn make Mars cruel? Someone was saying that,I think.
Thanks for any help!

posted June 19, 2011 06:18 PM            

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The murder of Shanda Renee Sharer (June 6, 1979 – January 11, 1992) involved a 12-year-old girl who was tortured and burned to death in Madison, Indiana by four teenage girls.

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Melinda Loveless (one of the murderers) was born in New Albany, Indiana on October 28, 1975, the youngest of three daughters, to Marjorie and Larry Loveless.

(She was abused and molested in her childhood ^)

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And the disturbing story:

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Torture
Tackett led them to a garbage dump off a logging road in a densely forested area. Lawrence and Rippey were frightened and stayed in the car as Loveless and Tackett made Sharer strip, then Loveless beat Sharer with her fists. Loveless then repeatedly slammed Sharer's face into her knee, cutting Sharer's mouth on her own braces. Loveless then tried to slash Sharer's throat but the knife was too dull, and Rippey came out of the car to hold Sharer down. Loveless and Tackett took turns stabbing Sharer in the chest; they then strangled Sharer with a rope until she was unconscious, placed her in the trunk, and told the other two girls that Sharer was dead.[31]
They went to Tackett's nearby home and went inside to drink soda and clean themselves. They realized Sharer was screaming in the trunk, so Tackett went out with a paring knife and stabbed her several more times, coming in a few minutes later covered in blood. After she washed, Tackett got her "runestones" and told the girls' futures with them. Lawrence and Rippey stayed behind as Tackett and Loveless went "country cruising" at 2:30, driving to the nearby town of Canaan. Sharer continued making crying and gurgling noises, so Tackett stopped the car; Sharer sat up, covered in blood and her eyes rolled in the back of her head, but was unable to speak; Tackett then beat her with a tire iron until she was silent.[32][33]
They returned to Tackett's house just before daybreak to clean up again. Rippey asked about what had happened to Sharer, and Tackett laughingly told them about the torture. The conversation woke up Tackett's mother, who yelled at her daughter for being out so late and bringing home the girls, so Laurie agreed to take them home. She drove to the burn pile near Tackett's house and showed the other girls Sharer. Lawrence refused to look, and Rippey sprayed Sharer with Windex and taunted "You're not looking so hot now, are you?"[34]
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Memorial to Sharer at the location where she died.
The girls drove to a gas station near Madison Consolidated High School, pumped some gas into the car and bought a two-liter bottle of Pepsi. Tackett emptied the bottle and refilled it with gasoline. They drove north of Madison, past Jefferson Proving Ground to a place with which Rippey was familiar off US 421 on what was called Lemon Road. They placed Sharer, still alive, in a blanket and carried her into a field by the gravel country road. Tackett made Rippey pour the gasoline on her, and then they set her on fire. Loveless was not convinced Sharer was dead, so they returned a few minutes later to pour the rest of the gasoline on her.[35]
The girls went to a McDonald's at 9:30a.m. for breakfast. The girls laughed about Sharer looking like one of the sausages they were eating. Lawrence, horrified, called a friend and told her about the murder. Tackett then dropped Lawrence and Rippey off at their homes and returned home with Loveless. They cleaned out the car, using a hose to wash the trunk. They then drove to Loveless' house around 3:00p.m.. Loveless found out Heavrin was at River Falls Mall and had her paged, claiming an emergency, then told her that they had killed Sharer and arranged to pick Heavrin up later that day.[36]
Loveless' friend, Crystal Wathen, came over, and they told her about what had happened. Then the three girls drove to pick up Heavrin and bring her back to Loveless' house, where they told Heavrin the story, who did not believe it was true, but comforted a hysterical Loveless. Both Heavrin and Wathen were convinced when Tackett showed them the trunk with Sharer's bloody handprints and socks still remaining.[37]

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posted June 19, 2011 06:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Au Contraire They are wimpy

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posted June 19, 2011 06:28 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Hey, I'm not wimpy. I'm very stubborn when it comes to a fight, and also very violent.

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Yes You seem that way lol
What in your chart modifies the generally passive Cancer Mars?

posted June 19, 2011 06:31 PM            

These aspects stood out:

Loveless has Cancer Mars trine Scorpio Sun/Uranus conjunction... and large square with Pluto in Libra.

Tackett (born: 5th Oct. 1974) has Venus conjunct Pluto in Libra, Scorpio Mercury (on Loveless Sun/Uranus). Saturn in Cancer square her Sun in Libra.

In synastry I found this strange and possibly karmic:

The victim's Pluto at 16' Libra is closely conjunct Tackett's Mars (14' Libra) and Loveless' Mercury (16' Libra).

Although her (victim's) Sun in Gemini is trine all the Libra stuff.. which should've been a positive thing.. But we don't have their times of birth - so who knows what was happening on the ac/dc axis!

From the story it seems Tacket was the most cruel, although Loveless is right up there. I only looked the two of them up.

posted June 19, 2011 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes You seem that way lol
What in your chart modifies the generally passive Cancer Mars?

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Lol, the only ones I could ever think about is Mars Sextile Saturn and Mars Square Jupiter. I don't know if Midheaven would be important. @_@

posted June 19, 2011 06:40 PM            

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Events prior to murder

In 1990, Melinda Loveless met and began dating Amanda Heavrin. After her father left and her mother remarried, Loveless was erratic, depressed, in counseling, and fighting at school. In March 1991, Loveless came out of the closet to her mother, who was initially furious but eventually accepted it. In the fall of 1990, Loveless's relationship with Heavrin deteriorated, and Loveless came to associate this deterioration with Shanda Sharer.[22]
Heavrin and Sharer met early in the school year when they got into a fight; however, they became friends while in detention for the altercation. Loveless immediately became jealous of Heavrin and Sharer's relationship. In early October, Sharer and Heavrin attended a school dance where Loveless found them and confronted them. Although Heavrin and Loveless never formally ended their involvement, Loveless began dating an older girl.[23]
Loveless became increasingly jealous when Heavrin and Sharer went to a festival together in late October, and she began to discuss killing Sharer and threatened Sharer in public. Concerned about their daughter's relationship with Heavrin, Sharer's parents arranged for her to transfer to a Catholic school in late November, and the girls started drifting apart in December. Loveless and Heavrin never reformed their relationship.

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posted June 19, 2011 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Karka - is Jupiter in Aries? And how close is the square?

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posted June 19, 2011 07:07 PM            

he has some voilent tendancies, for he has bipolar and wont take meds and lived in the ghetto most of his life.

He has been in a few fights. Or so he says. When something isn't going his way he breaks his stuff. He is way to old to break his playstation remote(that he can't afford) when the game isn't going his way. If we got in a fight and I left the house to get away from the negativity, after a long day of working my ass off where I also had to deal with crap...he would break other things that belonged to him.

posted June 19, 2011 10:44 PM            

The Jupiter square is very wide and it's also out of sign, so most astrologers would not count it.
But if you feel like you can relate to the interpretation, it's up to you! Different people use different orbs. You can look into this more yourself.

About anger/violence....
I see you have both Sun and Mars in Cancer. What I sense with watery people is that they are so strongly emotional. In your perfect world, you would not hurt anyone and noone would hurt you.

In your perfect world, something like this murder is beyond disgusting.. because Cancer protects life. They care for life. It's the sign of the mother. Murder is actually the opposite of everything Cancer stands for. I know my Cancer aunt used to regularly rescue stray animals and even insects. So the initial drive and instinct in Cancer is to protect (not to harm).

But when others *hurt* you.. and when you go through a lot of pain, it's difficult to maintain objectivity. Things add up in time and you never forget them, because the Cancerian memory is legendary... and once too many things have added up and you've truly seen the ugly side of human nature -- it can make you feel sick.

I think water signs react with rage, when they feel so deeply emotionally betrayed by human nature.

posted June 20, 2011 12:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
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I've seen Cancer suns who do this! But I'm not sure about Mars.

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He is so close to being a Cancer Sun! Only a few days ahead. He also has Mercury and Moon in Cancer. And looking at his aspects you can see that Cancer is pretty strong in his chart.

I wonder if Jupiter square Saturn, has anything to do with him being a low life? I mean its not his fault that he is chemicaly imballanced, and lived in a bad area. But he needs to quit using that as an exuse not to grow up! I was compassionate with his sob stories at first. He used that to explain why he was where he is when I was getting to know him... But THEN! it got annoying. It became obvious that he started to feel like those things entitled him to me working, and him not.

posted June 20, 2011 12:44 AM            

I blew up at him alot. And he thought that was hot. He also thought it was hot that I'm not easy.(I never had sex w/ him) One day I was hanging out with him with my friend and her boyfriend. Well her boyfriend is fat so I sat on my ex boyfriends lap. He kept rubbing my stomach....that was creeping me out. I told him to stop doing that. He did...but then two minutes later he started up again. (completly unexeptible) So I then I probably snaped at him "I said stop doing that!"
About two minutes later again he started rubbing my stomach. So I slaped his arm.
I'm not even a voilent person! But I will be if I am telling someone to stop and they don't and they keep getting in my personal space doing the same thing... Then yea I feel I have every right to give someone a warning slap. I'm almost never violent cause most people know when to stop pushing my buttons just by the "crazy" look on my face. I've never even been in a real fight. Though he was all talk, I was kinda more physically violnet in that relationship.

God, it's embarrasing on the type of guys I've been in relationships with! I dragged both of em out too long.