posted June 23, 2011 04:28 PM            

I'm very interested in your opinion. I'm just a laymen to astrology but I would like to know what causes my original shyness and reserved personality or what shows these things in my natal chart. Actually, my Sun sign is Gemini and my Ascendant is Gemini too. And as far as I know, there are many other things related to this sign in my chart. Despite of this fact, usually I'm very thoguhtful and not chatty at all... I'm rather a silent person who's not a great speaker at all and I'm proned to depression as well. When I was a teenager, I was a kind of fun person but it has changed and from time to time I sink into depression.

It disturbs me very very much and I would really like to do something against it.

Could you tell me why do I work like this? Here's my natal chart.

Thank you!

posted June 23, 2011 05:06 PM            

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You actually have many indicators of these issues in your chart. Mercury, the dispositor (or ruler) of your Sun, Venus, and ASC is in the 12th house. You also have a Cancer Moon, a very emotional and reticent placement. And lastly....a 6th house stellium in which Mars is conjunct Saturn in Scorpio.

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I see. Thank you!
Is there anything that I can do to overcome these issues? Or at least depression? I feel so guilty that sometimes I can't do even the easiest things like waking up in the morning and going to work or studying...

I would really like to change it if it's possible. Now I'm taking pills made of herb (St. John's wort) and it helps a lot. But I wouldn't like to rely on pills like this all of my life...

posted June 23, 2011 07:37 PM            

You are mainly depressed about your good days you earlier had. Depression is due to loss of something. You are feeling deprived but think about maybe it is time you can listen to other people and be healer.

It is sometimes not easy due to circumstances, people around to always be cheerful.Friends change, time change, people change,you as a person change. With some people it is so easy to relate and be all that. Maybe this is also time for you to look inside.You might want to solve those issues.

I don't mean to say that means you do not make any attempt to socialize and make friends. But give yourself brownie points when you do something positive rather than being dissatisfied and beating yourself up for even trying.

I wonder people come up and tell you, you are reserved or is it you are telling to people?
If people are coming and telling you is because they can't accept who you are at this moment.
If you are telling everyone. Stop doing that as that would not give them time to make judgement about you.

Another thing, happiness isn't a constant emotion. Sometimes we can expect external influences to make us happy. Sometimes we have to find within ourselves.I can assure you there would be lot of things which should make you happy and you should be greatful.

Having reserved personality isn't as bad as not having hand, legs or beautiful mind.

posted June 23, 2011 08:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Forrest99:
I see. Thank you!
Is there anything that I can do to overcome these issues? Or at least depression? I feel so guilty that sometimes I can't do even the easiest things like waking up in the morning and going to work or studying...

I would really like to change it if it's possible. Now I'm taking pills made of herb (St. John's wort) and it helps a lot. But I wouldn't like to rely on pills like this all of my life...

Thanks so much if somebody can advise me anything in this matter!

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I'm terrible at giving advice on this due to my own personal issues, but acceptance is a good place to start. First start by accepting that you are not a typical Gemini. Next...what brings you pleasure? You could do that favorite hobby or pasttime (usually indicated by your Moon and Jupiter) when you're at a low ebb. That usually works for me.

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Another thing, happiness isn't a constant emotion. Sometimes we can expect external influences to make us happy. Sometimes we have to find within ourselves.I can assure you there would be lot of things which should make you happy and you should be greatful.

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posted June 24, 2011 06:12 AM            

Thank you so much for all of your replies, they are very informative and helpful!

I was very curious about the signs of these personality traits in my natal chart. But somehow I am already very bored with them (because it's not too fun to suffer from minor or major depression for years again and again and struggle with shyness and a tendency to seclusion). So I put a question about the possible solutions.

To be honest, I can't really agree with the line "Having reserved personality isn't as bad as not having hand, legs or beautiful mind." because it is a source of problems. I think that sometimes it is nearly as bad as not being able to walk or hear or see... Ok, it seems to be an exaggeration but still, it does hinder me in many things even if it's not as striking as if I were sitting in a wheelchair.

But I know that nobody's perfect, everyone of us could mention many personality traits that cause them difficulties. Sometimes I just feel unaccepted and looked down on because of these things I mentioned. (For example, earlier, when I was around, my grandma always spoke about how she would beat up depressed people. I think she has many problems with suppressed aggresion anyway and she tries to alleviate them with intrigues but that's another topic...)

posted June 24, 2011 08:31 PM            

I am sorry that you felt so bad. Maybe I feel pain sometimes not being able to have many friends and stuff. I used to worry what people think and so on.I know that is different.

If you feel handicapped as that bad. I am sure when people can get used to doing stuff without hands, legs and stuff there would be way around.

Maybe you can start thinking on what made you reserved, why you think reserved, what would you actually do it to change it, what makes you stop not to be the way you really want to do, are those internal / external stuff.

I know it is hard but good luck and do let us know what happens next.

posted June 24, 2011 09:57 PM            

I useally only talk-talk-talk. If I'm picking up on good trustworthy geniune vibes from others.
If not, I wont say much. lol

I know Cancer Moons are sensitive to their environments...and can effect their moods.

Maybe give your pad a make-over. Paint walls a happier color. More cozy furnature. Anything to you wish to add to your environment that pleases you.

If you don't have a pet I recomend getting one. Studies show that people who own pets are happier. Something about giving a pet unconditional love, and the pet giving it back to you for feeding them and stuff. I got my Bobby about 3 years ago, and my self esteem has been hella higher. Wheather it's a cat, dog, or fish. Whatever suits your likes and life style.

Smells can influence mood too. You could fill your pad with smells you like. (I've read that smells like vanilla, cucumber, watermelon, pomagranite, pumpkin pie, laventer relax and arouse people's mind, and tropical smells are good mood boosters.)

Okay that's all for now.

I wish you the best in your self discovery and new experiences.

Sincerely
Stawr

posted June 25, 2011 05:08 PM            

What you said about talking to others seems to be true in my situation as well because I can talk a LOT when I am with those who accept me and like me. But when I'm with other people that I don't know well, then I'm very reserved, anxious and tensed and always want to live up to their expectations. And once I lose those connections that I trusted earlier, I really struggle to find similar company.

I can make contacts so hard with other people and usually I feel left alone. This also affects my depression quite badly. And depression slows me down and I can't move forward. So I seem to waste too much time on nonesense...

Anyway, my passion is art: photography, drawing, painting, literature and music. Earlier I wanted to become an artist who creates not only images but literary works and music as well, but the people in my environment didn't really support me in this matter. And due to my shyness or strange personality, I could never get in touch with those who had similar goals in life. I always made friendships with totally 'normal' people who could not tolerate my personality for a long time. I had a boyfriend though who wanted to become a film director but he was more crazy than me... He acted very cruel and in an undeserving manner with me. After that relationship, I suffered from paranoia, depression and panic attacks for years. :-/ It ended when I was 20 and I still have some remnants of these problems now when I'm 27!

Other than that, I'm very boheme to the deepest in my soul and I really need company that I can share my ideas and feelings with and also my artistic side... Otherwise, I feel unappreciated.

These things also mean, that I find it difficult to stick to a steady 9-5 job... I have big emotional swings and I crave for freedom and some kind of a togetherness with those that I like. I want to be a part of a group and in the center of attention while that's what I'm afraid of at the same time.

Anyway, my parents also had the same problem I guess. They were very talented people (drawing, painting, poems, sculpture, dancing and acting) but they both decided not to go for a career in this field. Nobody helped them and especially my mum emphasized to me that artists were not entirely 'normal' people. I think that she was frightened of their lifestyles at a point of her life (she was married to a guitar player but divorced in a short time, I think that he physically abused my mother...) and that made her quit these plans. To me it seems that all of their frustrations and talents fight in me with each other and it makes me very unstable sometimes. It seems that these inclinations cannot be cleared away from anybody's personality no matter how hard he/she tries and despite of all bad former experience. And I know that I can't live without letting these energies and inclinations go...

So, I still would like to be an artist, and make beautiful pictures. Somehow I feel that 'now or never'! Either make it now or I will never become what I want to be. But I'm also afraid of the lifestyle of the artists and their strange minds...

Sorry for all of these nonsense that I talked here but sometimes my personality is too diffcult for even myself and I thought that I could talk about these issues here...

Anyway, according to my natal chart, do you guys think that I have the chance to become a sucessful artist? Can this be predicted from a horoscope?

posted June 25, 2011 08:13 PM            

It sucks when the people that are your friends, don't support your wiredness.

I feel like with the Aqua Mars in my chart I can't be around people that put me down for being wired. It's hard for me stay friends with people that put me down for being off. I wonder if this has anything to do with me having an Aquarius Mars...(or I just have a big ego. lol)

Back in like 07 or 08 I did make new friends that made a big deal about stuff I did in a negative way. So I was obviously not happy and resenting these people. But I'm an Aries Sun and there was some kind of eclipse in Aquarius(Aries house of groups,and goals)...and my goals and the kind of friends I was with started to change.

(of course I had that rough inbetween transition...none of this stuff happened over night...I even was at a point where I almost had no friends. The 2nd half of 07-08 was probably the most depressing point in my life. I would definetly say that that was a "mild depression" point in my life.)

I now of days useally hang out with a rougher crowd(nothing too rough though), or people who are just uniuqe, or both.
My sister always tells me "where do you meet these people!" LOL

But anywho I don't care if my friends tell me that I am wired or off, as long I know that they still accept me, and are not attempting to look down on me.

But enough about me lol, I think you should do art!
You don't have to do art to become rich and famous.(but if it happens, it happens! lol) Just do it because its an interest, a passion, a drive. I think its good for many people to have some kind of hobby or creative outlet.

I recomend that you make art whenever you have time.
Take art classes if you want. And or other inspiring things like going to art shows, and musiums.

posted June 26, 2011 02:29 AM            

I am the same way, very reserved actually, reticent, and very shy. Once people get to know me, which can take up to a year for me to fully open up, still, I probably come off as weird because I have a pretty quiet personality. I don't make a lot of jokes or small talk. I try, but I'm definitely not the gregarious type.
My only advice to you is keep trying to come out of your comfort zone. Truth is, people hate fakes and there is somebody else behind their own facade. Sharing a part of ourselves lets others open up in return.
Embrace your sensitivity and stop blaming yourself. People are all made different. Mercury in the 12th is very open to unconscious energy. I find myself having so many Freudian slips, it's insane. I can come off as dumber than I am, off in my own world, too emotional, too shy, and what not. But we are very lucky people who are uniquely introspective. This tendency allows us to be receptive to others giving us a psychic quality, as well as an ability to understand human nature more so than the outgoing people we are often jealous of.
Sure, I'm prone to depression, but deep down I know it's a blessing more than a curse because what we see can be very beautiful.
I believe that with your strong Gemini influence combined with the 12th house (Neptunian energy) makes for a incredibly intelligent, highly receptive person, talented in the area of arts and humanities, especially writing. Turn this energy outward express yourself freely. I think Mercury in the 12th gives one an ability to grasp the intangible and communicate to others, and this is exactly the reason why people love literature; because it touches their soul. That is a gift that can't be taught. You are special.

posted June 26, 2011 04:10 AM            

You also have Sun Quincunx Saturn. As you know saturn can inhibit, and Sun in Gemini is not friends with Saturn at all. a Quincunx aspect, although considered weak, I believe should also be studied because of your other aspects. Quincunx aspects are out of touch being that they are in incompatibile elements, triplicity and gender. these are the most confusing to work with because they are giving you two totally different energies. You will need to find out what your Saturn means to you and what your Sun means to you and try to see what happy medium you can come up with. It will never always be happily balanced (just like people are never happy 100% of the time), it will be work to keep it there, but even just being aware and accepting (like others have said!) and be more forgiving of yourself is definitely something to work towards.

Your chart also has a strong YOD /Finger of God/ Finger of Fate in your chart. This consists ot Jupiter, Uranus, Mars/Saturn and Venus/Sun. Your Venus/Sun is opposing your Uranus. I have read that the two planets on either side of this (so your Jupiter and your Mars/Saturn conjunct) will provide two different paths of channeling this energy.

Where the YOD is pointing (your Venus/Sun conjunction) is where you will need to look to overcome this energy. Uranus opposing your Yod point just adds another element.

Look at the houses and signs Jupiter and Saturn/Mars are in. Capricorn and Scorpio in 8th and 6th. These are in AGREEANCE with each other, so you need to look at how 8th house issues (house of joint finances, tax, sex - highlighted by jupiter - planet of abundance) and your 6th house issues (daily routine, health - highlighted by Saturn/Mars which could put heavy emphasis on these issues) are helping each other and how are they making it difficult for your Venus/sun (1st house - self) to express themselves. Take into account that Uranus (unexpected events, sudden turns in events, instability and exciting but short-lived connections) is also putting pressure on your Self coming in from the 7th (house of others, open enemies, partnerships) .. your poor Sun.Venus (your core of your being and playful nature) are not agreeing with these other houses.

Your chart indicates to me that your emphasis on your daily routine, responsibilites, finances, taxes are a big emphasis of your life (perhaps with Uranus also aspecting this, you have SUDDEN things happen out of the blue, out of your control that add to this stress??) and this is squashing your happy sun and venus in Gemini. It just means that you need to take a look at these areas in your life and make adjustments to lessen the burden. Your Venus and Sun can then shine through!!

YOU CAN OVERCOME ANYTHING and your chart only indicates tendancies, it does NOT DEFINE who you are. The great thing about using astrology as a tool is that you can see clearly where you potential tendencies lie and it's like you have some secret information to work with to help you channel your energies. Use this information given to you to your advantage

Best of luck Forest xx

posted June 26, 2011 10:28 AM            

Now, I can see things a bit clearer!

McCandesh, you write about so many useful and intersting things! Everything is true what you wrote about me. I need some more time to digest and apply those things that you wrote about but they are truly helpful! Thank you!

TrueTaurus, many many thanks for you, too! Yes, that's true that I have talent in the arts, especially literature, photography, drawing and painting. I LOVE music but I'm not a good musician, though I learned to play several instruments. It is also true that I have an ability to express 'intangible' things! It's amazing that so many things can be read out from someone's horoscope! Wonderful! :-))

posted June 26, 2011 10:53 AM            

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Is your last name Forrest? I'm wondering, because that is my mom's maiden name.

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posted June 26, 2011 12:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Forrest99:
Oh, no, no!
That's only a nickname that I made up for myself. I'm Nora by the way. And I'm from Hungary. (English is my second language anyway.) :-)

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posted June 26, 2011 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by ecomat:
Hali! ;-)

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