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Topic: Neptune.
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Lioness
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posted July 04, 2011 08:55 PM
  
I dont think Neptune is giving enough credit for what its capable of.. Neptune can really mess with us. It makes us confused, it can make us idolize something thats not real.. Put someone on a pedestal..
It clouds our judgment.. We can only see good.. When Neptune has you, its nearly impossible to break away from. You cant see the truth! Your stuck with what Neptune wants you to see.. Until Neptune gives up, and then slaps you in the face with reality. I think Neptune has more power than we really consider.. Pluto says all or nothing.. Pluto will fight to have its way.. But your aware of the pull, the power the struggles... With Neptune your in LALA land not even knowing your being messed with....
You can feel sooo deeply.. Like if your soul has been touched, but its just your imagination.
None of its real...
Neptune will do anything to get what it wants.. Lie, cheat, steal while saying Look at me, see how wonderful I am..
Adore me, feel me, believe me. Im so perfect.. See how good I feel...
Neptune sux...... 
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amowls**
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posted July 04, 2011 09:03 PM
I don't think Neptune necessarily hides the truth from you... it just makes you see a different kind of "truth." IP: Logged |
lunatic
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posted July 04, 2011 09:05 PM
Here's one hug for you 
I love Neptune, the dreams, the magic it creates it's the best thing I ever had in my life. But I hate it so much when reality slaps me hard..
I think that the feelings are always true though my friend, just not the expectations..IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted July 04, 2011 09:05 PM
Neptune is also about magic, higher love, and dreams. Its not all bad it just depends on how one uses it. IP: Logged |
starcrossedleo
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posted July 04, 2011 09:08 PM
Agreed Lioness. Neptune can mess with us. MY exes Neptune is conjunct his sun and because Neptune is generational my Neptune is conjunct his sun. I think Neptune has clouded all common sense that I had with ths guy-out the window and I spent so much time in a fantasy world with him-thinking wishing he was the one, that he would change...
Neptine will not let me see the true picture of what he is , a liar, womanizer, cheat, cruel and mean spiritedI am a victim of Neptune IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 04, 2011 09:14 PM
I have a LOT of Neptune and an earth void. It is very ,very hard BUT it yields great gifts if one can avoid being committed  ------------------
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aethan
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posted July 04, 2011 09:16 PM
Neptune has two sides. The one you described, and the other one. It depends on where you have it in your chart. It can give someone a lot of depth and unscientific knowledge. Neptune people are the man that didn't go to college but acquired priceless knowledge during his life, he knows things not because he was taught but because he intuitively knows them, and he learns them because he needs to teach and share them. He can guide others without having a map.
I quite like Neptune myself. Don't be afraid of it, just learn to trust it. People say Neptune is deceptive, I say Neptune knows more than what is shown at that moment in time.IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 04, 2011 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by lunatic:
Here's one hug for you
I love Neptune, the dreams, the magic it creates it's the best thing I ever had in my life. But I hate it so much when reality slaps me hard..
I think that the feelings are always true though my friend, just not the expectations..
Thats the thing... Neptune feels soo good.. You just love it.. It feels right.. Its perfect.. but in reality its not...
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Lioness
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posted July 04, 2011 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
I don't think Neptune necessarily hides the truth from you... it just makes you see a different kind of "truth."
Agree... I think Neptune shows you what it wants you to see... Your blind to anything else besides that.. IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy
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posted July 04, 2011 09:20 PM
Neptune is easily the planet that scares me the most. I'm on good terms with Pluto and I'm getting on better footing with Saturn (Uranus primarily rules my moon so him and I are good), but NEPTUNE.. God, delusions scare me. The guy I'm currently seeing has Sun conjunct Neptune in Sag. In our composite chart, the moon is conjunct Neptune by 1 degree. I'm on pins and needles waiting for things to just shatter, honestly. IP: Logged |
winter
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posted July 04, 2011 10:19 PM
Neptune is my most aspected planet.
It’s in my grand trine, my t-square, my kite and it’s in my 7th house.It is my kryptonite.
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amowls**
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posted July 05, 2011 12:49 AM
I mean Neptune really forces you to feel and therefore "know," but it's a more empathetic kind of knowledge. I recently went through a Neptune trine Moon transit, and it was pretty eye (for lack of a better word) opening. It's hard to explain with words, because Neptune isn't something you express with words.Maybe it was extra significant for me because it was conjunct my Mercury so the logical part of my mind was off but trined my Moon and completed a grand trine with my Chiron (I have Merc, Moon and Chiron in a grand trine natally). I haven't been through a hard Neptune transit yet (that I was aware of.. it squared my Moon when I was young but I don't remember it). IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted July 05, 2011 03:59 AM
Neptune is one of those planets in the chart which probably gets easier to deal with when you are either very young or very old. I say this because Neptune is always problematic when egos are strong, and ego development tends to take place in your early teens as you are trying to establish a sense of individuality and separateness from everyone else. The ego can crystallize and remain in place for a very long time. In most people, it only starts to break down when they are near death, and even then, some still hang on to it. Whilst your ego – i.e. identification of self with “What I look like, what I have got, what I have achieved, how I compare to other people, how clever and talented I am,” – is still strong, Neptune plays a fine game with you, and leads you down the path of illusion. You end up projecting your ego needs onto other people and other people project theirs onto you. The result is, of course, distorted perceptions, confusion and deception. Neptune’s job is ultimately not to betray you into believing that which is false, but to create situations in your life that allow you to understand that projecting your ego needs onto others and external things won’t make it real, because your ego is not real. Neptune will administer a series of devastating shocks in your life leading to disorientation which is meant to teach you to step aside from your ego, Through the suffering you experience as a result of this, Neptune is urging you to shift your consciousness from ego to your higher self, as it is only from this perspective that you can learn to transcend the pain, and let go of all those things – past, present and future – that you are attaching to in order to maintain your ego-self. The perspective of the transpersonal self is quite different from that of the ego-self, and can actually cut through illusion and provides opportunities to understand the essence of what lies beneath our struggle to survive as individuals in a material world. Empathy and sensitivity arises, together with an ability merge compassionately with universal forces and to live in a way where “self” develops a detached awareness and becomes a tool to tune into present-moment inspiration and creativity. This is the positive manifestation of Neptune, but for most of us, it is difficult to achieve. I do think that aspects from Neptune to Saturn (especially hard ones) can help accelerate the development of Neptune, due to Saturn’s merciless insistence on learning things properly, the hard way…. With make or break lessons. . A broken Neptune is not pretty, but one that operates well is just sublime. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted July 05, 2011 06:09 AM
My Sun is conjunct Neptune in Sag, 8th House and though it took me almost 30 years to see it, it has been one of the greatest gifts in my life. Here is how I view it...Neptune is just an energy, a wavelength like any other planetary energy. How the native is influenced is based on their approach to that energy. It's the native's fear in the face of Neptune's nebulousness that results in denial, addiction, and self-destructive patterns. Neptune calls people to strip off their skin and expose their guts without hesitation. This makes Neptune a pretty honest planet in my opinion. He teaches us our attachment to objects/ideas/people is based on personal images/views, not a true understanding/appreciation of how those objects nourish our spirit. It's not the image we really desire to connect with, but the indescribable thus-ness inherent in everything. Belief that thus-ness exists separate behind each object, is what makes us feel lonely and causes us to form attachments to these objects in the hopes of experiencing their inherent thus-ness through transmission. From Neptune's perspective, things are only as substantial as their potential for oneness. The planets within Neptune's orbit spend their time objectifying oneness into infinite groups of things while creating goals and rules based on the objects they create. Uranus blows up the older objects and Neptune dissolves the pieces back into oneness. With this said, Neptune is the cosmic solvent and the more resistance against the dissolution of attachment, the more concentrated Neptune becomes. Look at massage for example. If you receive a massage but refuse to relax, a good therapist will apply heat, turn on soothing music, talk you into a state of trust and comfort, massage into deeper tissue, etc... Relinquishment of control is a vital process to a healthy massage (as well as a healthy Neptune). If Neptune is tapping you on the shoulder: 1. Embrace the vacation, the disintegration of attachment is inevitable. Fighting the process leads to exhaustion and confusion, embracing Neptune as it unfolds leads to the discovery of indefinite thus-ness. 2. Use it as an opportunity for self reflection. Neptune separates attachments from pure experience. Those attachments float to the bottom and reduce into the rich fossil fuel of Pluto. What Neptune anesthetizes one from seeing, is that which one is likely to form further unnecessary attachments toward (resulting in another dip in the stew). Accepting these events on the terms they are presented and as they arise, actually results in further revelation and continued acceptance. This process continues until you shed your attachments. 3. Learn to experience the present moment. If you look at your self right now, what do you notice? When was the last time you remember breathing? When was the last time you remember tasting a bite of food, taking an individual step, experiencing the sky outside? Our lives are filled with destinations and events that keep our consciousness attached to the past or the future. We often discover Neptune in retrospect as we say, "God, I really wasn't paying attention to what was going on". In this way Neptune calls us back into paying attention to the only tangible moment, the present. in the present we notice how relaxing breathing is, we find joy in the fact that we can breathe without obstruction. We enjoy our food as we chew it, step outside for a stroll and watch nature unfold. We discover joy existing in a moment filled with potential and possibility; a meeting place where all thus-ness in the universe can be found. Trauma from our past are no longer present and the stresses of the future have yet to arise. The present becomes free and timeless. When we learn to exist in the present and respond to experiences as they arise, we learn to embrace experiences honestly and with an open heart. Overall Neptune can be difficult to handle when one is overwhelmed, but learning not to struggle is the key to mastering it. IP: Logged |
snarly
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posted July 05, 2011 06:23 AM
Xiiro - what a fantastic post! I have been having a rough old ride trying to get to the bottom of my Neptune placement for a good while, and what you have written is the best advice I could have hoped for! That's it, I am relinquishing my Neptunian angst and just letting it wash over me .....And breathe.....!!IP: Logged |
Taineberry
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posted July 05, 2011 06:57 AM
Ah, yes Xiiro, you have grasped it so well. That is how I experience it too.  IP: Logged |
sand
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posted July 05, 2011 07:34 AM
i dun understand the fear of neptune but then i might be oblivious! why's it scary? uranus is the planet i fear the most. my neptune is the only planet without any harsh aspects. i have venus trine neptune, mercury trine neptune and neptune sextile pluto like everyone (i think). it's in my 3rd house of capricorn. i'm not sure but i think it's also the solution to my t-squares.edit: uh oh i think i may have psoken too soon. i think neptune just entered my 5th. no wonder iv been thinking about those types of women lately. how long does this last? jeez i'm afraid to ask lol! Neptune Transits Through Your Fifth House: This is a great transit to have if you work in a really creative field. Your imagination will have room to expand. But this is a difficult transit if you are dating. Under Neptune transits, we see what we want to see. We can mistake a low-life for the love our life. Even worse, we can get attracted to someone because we feel sorry for them, what I call the “Oh you poor little thing, let me fall in love with you and make you all better” syndrome. This transit can, for as long as it lasts, make us act as if we were born with Neptune in the 5th House. There can also be increased confusion concerning children at this time, and that includes your grown children (no matter how old they get, they are still your “babies”). Take extra care when talking to them. Misunderstandings are more likely during this transit. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 05, 2011 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
i dun understand the fear of neptune but then i might be oblivious! why's it scary? uranus is the planet i fear the most. my neptune is the only planet without any harsh aspects. i have venus trine neptune, mercury trine neptune and neptune sextile pluto like everyone (i think). it's in my 3rd house of capricorn. i'm not sure but i think it's also the solution to my t-squares.edit: uh oh i think i may have psoken too soon. i think neptune just entered my 5th. no wonder iv been thinking about those types of women lately. how long does this last? jeez i'm afraid to ask lol! Neptune Transits Through Your Fifth House: This is a great transit to have if you work in a really creative field. Your imagination will have room to expand. But this is a difficult transit if you are dating. Under Neptune transits, we see what we want to see. We can mistake a low-life for the love our life. Even worse, we can get attracted to someone because we feel sorry for them, what I call the “Oh you poor little thing, let me fall in love with you and make you all better” syndrome. This transit can, for as long as it lasts, make us act as if we were born with Neptune in the 5th House. There can also be increased confusion concerning children at this time, and that includes your grown children (no matter how old they get, they are still your “babies”). Take extra care when talking to them. Misunderstandings are more likely during this transit.
Yes see how Neptune effects you.. Even if you see bad, you dont really care, because your so into it.. It just feels perfect...
This can also be the case in synastry or in a composite.... when Neptune has you, its hard to get a grip and accept the truth in the matter...
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Lioness
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posted July 05, 2011 09:10 PM
@ XiiroThanks for alllll that info.. That was awesome! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 05, 2011 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Lioness:
You can feel sooo deeply.. Like if your soul has been touched, but its just your imagination.
None of its real...
Neptune will do anything to get what it wants.. Lie, cheat, steal while saying Look at me, see how wonderful I am..
Adore me, feel me, believe me. Im so perfect.. See how good I feel...
 Oh, how true! A tail spin for sure. Neptune in hard aspect especially. But ruling an angle, forget it. ...beautiful heights can be reached as well that commoners could not even dream of. The good with the bad and all that. IP: Logged |
BeeCalliope
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posted July 06, 2011 01:22 AM
Xiiro and Taineberry, you nailed neptune and that is no easy task. IP: Logged |
TrueTaurus
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posted July 06, 2011 02:49 AM
I can relate to this. Neptune messes with my head. Makes my thought process clouded. I often feel very lonely and depressed. Stellium in the 12th. IP: Logged |
AscTaurus
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posted July 06, 2011 09:54 AM
The Neptune debate. I like  I'll comment on this properly later.... IP: Logged |
AscTaurus
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posted July 06, 2011 10:57 AM
Okay, here is my gripe with Neptune.So, apparently, Neptune aspects my Sun, Jupiter and Pluto and it's given me some fair share of confusion throughout my 27 years of existence.
I also deeply researched this planet and could come to no real conclusions about it.(Go figure!!!)
All I can say is that I agree with all that has been said about it: Neptune the deceiver/Neptune the enlighter.
Neptune the dreamer/ Neptune the blind-believer. Neptune has more faces than Mercury, more contraditions than Uranus, encompasses so much more than Jupiter, yet is considered dimmer than the Sun. I must say, however, that I stumbled upon some interesting perspectives on Neptune whilst doing my research. This information seemed to suggest that perhaps Neptune aint all that bad. Neptune, some article claimed, represents our forgotten reality. The deeper part of the human pysche, that all encompassing knowledge that is beyond comprehension(moon), understanding(Jupiter) or intellect(mercury). It is that part of us,dare I say, that forgotten "knowing" of God, the Super as well as the inferior consciousness. That part of us that knows ourselves as being God; not out of lust for power, but because we are one with all there is. That is what "Isness" or God is; the everything, the nothing and all that is in between. Neptune doesn't care whether it is "powerful" or not, this does not threaten it's existence , but it dips in now and again to remind those affected by it , that there is more to life, more to physical existence than just being(Sun),experience(Moon), Intellect(mercury) Accumulation(Venus), Passion(mars),Knowing(Jupiter), Discovery(Uranus), Structure(Saturn) and creation(pluto). Neptune is only interested in reminding us that we are all "one". That even when we think we are separate from each other, that we all have different souls, that this "difference" is the illusion. Those who have been touched by Neptune remember this and than they forget it again. Neptune is not like Pluto- which emphasizes intesity of experience and seeing the "good" and "bad" as two sides. Neptune is about "merging"; where the "good" is just a label for what is and so it becomes with things that we refer to as "bad". Neptune is immaterial because it doesn't care for material wealth(Venus), Doesn't care for ones roots or background, one's personal life experience(moon) nor does it care for intellectual inter-action. Neptune is about the core soul, the core understanding that beings are from divinity and will return to divinity. Neptune causes "confusion" because it dismantles what we hold so precious in our daily lives; out ego(sun), our ideas(mercury), our love(venus), our ideals(Jupiter), our structures(Saturn) and makes these merge into the whole leaving us with no identity and thus no belief that we are separate.
I could go on and on.. But Neptune is one hell of a planet(literally!!)
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TrueTaurus
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posted July 06, 2011 01:14 PM
^ very poetic and eloquent.
I understand what you mean.IP: Logged | |
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