posted July 05, 2011 06:48 AM            

I have Mercury Cap 02, 9th House. I find communicating a constant struggle to find appropriate words to describe whatever I am trying to communicate. If I don't take my time I can end up saying stupid crap or conveying the wrong message.

I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise.

posted July 05, 2011 06:55 PM            

Yes I say stupid crap and am misunderstood a bit. I do study for conversations, but I always find I bomb conversations if I don't go with some intuitive flow.

posted July 06, 2011 05:46 AM            

I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise.

Oh also, do you catch your self talking like Spock?
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I thought that was just me. My family gets frustrated when I talk because it seems I can never complete a sentence without saying...uhmm.... and then going on thinking about the right word to insert in that <blank> space.

They say I sound undecided but I just don't want to be misunderstood and so I take a while to convey a message sometimes.

I also have my Mercury in Cap in 9th house so yes, I undertsnd what its like.
However, I also have my moon oppsing it and Mars squaring it exactly. So sometimes I talk really fast, even slurring words because I want to say whatever is on my mind the minute I think of it.

If I had a moments peace away from Mars, I think I'd catch myself rehearsing conversations often in my head, but real life takes over and i find myslelf expressing whatever it is that I feel and whenever(sometimes when its least appropriate).

posted July 06, 2011 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:

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I have Mercury Cap 02, 9th House. I find communicating a constant struggle to find appropriate words to describe whatever I am trying to communicate. If I don't take my time I can end up saying stupid crap or conveying the wrong message.

I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise.

Oh also, do you catch your self talking like Spock?
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I thought that was just me. My family gets frustrated when I talk because it seems I can never complete a sentence without saying...uhmm.... and then going on thinking about the right word to insert in that <blank> space.

They say I sound undecided but I just don't want to be misunderstood and so I take a while to convey a message sometimes.

I also have my Mercury in Cap in 9th house so yes, I undertsnd what its like.
However, I also have my moon oppsing it and Mars squaring it exactly. So sometimes I talk really fast, even slurring words because I want to say whatever is on my mind the minute I think of it.

If I had a moments peace away from Mars, I think I'd catch myself rehearsing conversations often in my head, but real life takes over and i find myslelf expressing whatever it is that I feel and whenever(sometimes when its least appropriate).

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Awesome! My Mercury is opposing Jupiter in Cancer (Moon-ish) and both are square Chiron in my first house (Mars-ish). I view everything as feelings first, then my Mercury collects and utilizes vocabulary in an attempt to be as descriptive as possible. The Martian square to my Mercury often results in me prattling on for so long struggling for the perfect description that I lose track and end up missing my own point or following tangents into other topics.

posted July 06, 2011 09:48 AM            

I don't know how all of that plays itself out as my Juno sits in my 12th house.

I used to attribute my quick temper and oversensitive nature to mars/moon inter-actions; they often say that Mars/Uranus adds youthfull, often erratic tendencies to the planets they touch.

But I also realized that Moon-mercury aspects(especially close ones) can make a person very animated and give them a tendency to exaggerate things(especially their feelings).

But then again, I laso have a stellium of 4 Sagittarius planets. Jupiter, Neptune, Sun make very close aspects to each other. Is this where my exaggeration comes from?

Do you also have a gift for gab? You mentioned something about "going off track" when talking about something. I often do this quite a bit and it annoys people around me.

posted July 09, 2011 11:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Do you have difficulty communicating satisfactorily?

I have Mercury Cap 02, 9th House. I find communicating a constant struggle to find appropriate words to describe whatever I am trying to communicate. If I don't take my time I can end up saying stupid crap or conveying the wrong message.

I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise.

Oh also, do you catch your self talking like Spock?

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posted July 10, 2011 12:12 AM            

"If I don't take my time I can end up saying stupid crap or conveying the wrong message."

What is the rub with not being able to get the words out, I wonder? Can you explain the things or circumstances that get in the way of expression?
Do you think your mind purposefully works against you unless you work to have it under control? Or is there just a need to be seen as an authority?

Also, do you guys go rushing about matters, or are more careful, for example in walking, or in making decisions, when you write emails do you finish typing and hit send or is there some proofreading and editing going on? Do you feel rushed by others?

"I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise."

I can't even fathom this, lol. How can you do this if you have no idea where the convo will turn?

posted July 10, 2011 02:51 AM            

From what I have observed, the sign completely modifies how Mercury's energy is structured. In the case of Capricorn, this is how I have explained the shape of my Capricorn mind (my Saturn is in Virgo, so if mine sounds a bit more “mechanical” or "picky" than others, that could be why) -

Have you ever read “The Little Prince”? In this story, the prince travels to several tiny and weird planets, each one an expression of a specific theme. That is how I view my Mercurial/Mental process. It's as if there is a vast network of spheres (arranged based on their relativity to all other spheres), each representing an individual idea or archetype. Each sphere is composed of filing cabinets. Each of those cabinets represents a cellular expression of the archetype and contains words or expressions I have collected from prior conversations, books, experiences, or imaginative creativity.

If for example, I wanted to describe a “Cat”. My mind would travel over to the “animal nebula”, where I would then make my way over to the “mammals” galaxy, then on toward the “fuzzy solar system” and land on “Planet CAT”. Next I would fly around the planet until I find the section of filing cabinets labeled “cats I like”. After locating the “black cat” file, I would sift through the collection of images, feelings, and scenarios until I found the perfect materials for building a report describing the new adorable cat I saw on youtube.

Now imagine explaining how your day was... My Mercury doesn't feel fulfilled with half-a**ed shortcuts and small-talk is too much of an investment for so little return. It wants to “utilize every possible resource in order to be successful” (Cap) at communicating (Mercury).

Any time I go to think, my internal dialogue looks a bit like this...” I just ate (searching.... rad/no; cool/no; it was really good, delicious, awe inspiring... AWESOME/yes) an awesome (searching.... dinner/no; food/no, that's not even proper English. Who says, “I just ate an awesome food'? MEAL/yes, that was definitely a meal) meal.

"Do you think your mind purposefully works against you unless you work to have it under control? Or is there just a need to be seen as an authority?"

I don't think my mind works against me, I believe each planet attempts to achieve its goal in a way which results in a feeling of satisfaction (as determined by it's sign). Mercury wants to communicate and Capricorn wants to do it in a why which best expresses the idea, while resulting in a feeling of accomplishment. Communication is a process of taking individual pointy goat steps in an attempt to conquer a mountain.

I was horrible in school and diagnosed with dyslexia (mostly because my mind goes “deer in the headlights” with timed tests). I also never did homework unless it was an art project. However at the end of the year, each teacher would pull me aside and tell me they were going to pass me because they knew I understood the class better than a majority of the other students. As an adult, I realized society is not built to facilitate slower earth-heavy minds. The benefit comes when I am given all the time in the world to formulate an answer. My mind is not only file cabinet-y, but it's also associative. Given time, I am brilliant and form paths which result in faster future responses.

"Also, do you guys go rushing about matters, or are more careful, for example in walking, or in making decisions, when you write emails do you finish typing and hit send or is there some proofreading and editing going on? Do you feel rushed by others?"

I have a rushing nature to my self, but I think that comes from having a relatively well aspected Mercury. I prefer not rushing however, because it yields better results. I wrote this response in a word processor before I posted it. If I hadn't, the sentences would have come out in a disassociated line instead of an associated pattern. I have to go back and make sure my sentences made sense , my topic didn't tangent off into another topic, etc... In the above paragraph, I started off talking about earth-Mercury and current society. That paragraph originally ended talking about the associative Capricorn mind. I realized they were intended to go together, but I had to go back and cut/rearrange sentences to make a coherent paragraph.

""I also find my self planning (studying) for conversations before I have them, just so I will have options should the conversation arise."

I can't even fathom this, lol. How can you do this if you have no idea where the convo will turn?"

I see this as a very negative habit. I will play out scenarios in my head and practice conversations based on all possible outcomes (creating paths of association for faster future responses). I believe this to be negative, because it influences my view of situations before they occur. If I believe the outcome of a situation will be negative, I can end up approaching that situation expecting negativity. That is unnecessarily stressful, especially when I am just dead wrong about the other person.

""Also always have stupid conversations playing out in my head."
Can you give examples?"

For me, I consider my planning to be “stupid ideas”. That original quote was made by Emelia, who has Mercury in the 11th however. I see the 11th House as also referring to the collective imaginative space (the space where individual creativities (5th House) do their creating). Mercury in the 11th House could result in thinking for thinking's sake. Almost as if Mercury gets put into a huge room with paper on the walls and a box of crayons. It may also desire to find other people who are interested in sharing the crayons.

posted July 10, 2011 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
If for example, I wanted to describe a “Cat”. My mind would travel over to the “animal nebula”, where I would then make my way over to the “mammals” galaxy, then on toward the “fuzzy solar system” and land on “Planet CAT”. Next I would fly around the planet until I find the section of filing cabinets labeled “cats I like”. After locating the “black cat” file, I would sift through the collection of images, feelings, and scenarios until I found the perfect materials for building a report describing the new adorable cat I saw on youtube.

Now imagine explaining how your day was... My Mercury doesn't feel fulfilled with half-a**ed shortcuts and small-talk is too much of an investment for so little return. It wants to “utilize every possible resource in order to be successful” (Cap) at communicating (Mercury).

Any time I go to think, my internal dialogue looks a bit like this...” I just ate (searching.... rad/no; cool/no; it was really good, delicious, awe inspiring... AWESOME/yes) an awesome (searching.... dinner/no; food/no, that's not even proper English. Who says, “I just ate an awesome food'? MEAL/yes, that was definitely a meal) meal.

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You are hilarious, I loved your explanations.

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I see this as a very negative habit. I will play out scenarios in my head and practice conversations based on all possible outcomes (creating paths of association for faster future responses). I believe this to be negative, because it influences my view of situations before they occur. If I believe the outcome of a situation will be negative, I can end up approaching that situation expecting negativity. That is unnecessarily stressful, especially when I am just dead wrong about the other person.

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
PS: I edited this post 7 times after posting it... by this time Virgo is definitely involved lol!

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posted July 10, 2011 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:

You're adorable.

Thank you for sharing so much and taking the time to post a response

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Thanks Lonake =)