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Topic: Help With Charts--Sun and Moon/Father and Mother
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Ami Anne
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posted July 06, 2011 12:11 PM
  
In the natal charts--one's Sun is supposed to show one's relationship with one's father.
The moon is supposed to show one's relationship with one's mother.OK-what if a person has GREAT Sun aspects but says they had a Bad relationship with the father.
What would the Astrologer conclude?
Thanks so much ------------------
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MsCandeh
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posted July 06, 2011 12:34 PM
I would look to Saturn for the father as well  IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
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posted July 06, 2011 12:36 PM
My reasoning being that saturn rules 10th and I am pretty sure 10th rules father (or is this traditionally mother?). it seems to change. I feel more comfortable reading the father as belonging to the 10th rather than the 4th.Also it is my own experience with saturn that leads me to believe this. However in saying that my sun opposes mars lol IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 06, 2011 12:40 PM
OK Yes I have heard Saturn as father,too.However, I read something about Sun/moon being the paired Mother/father
For example, you can see how close your parents were at your birth by how the sun and moon aspect each other.
Thank you MsCandeh
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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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sand
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posted July 06, 2011 12:47 PM
hmm well in my case my mom was the father= provider type (well my dad too technically lol) and i have moon in 10th. my ic=home roots is in capricorn. to me charts can play out in so many different ways. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 06, 2011 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
hmm well in my case my mom was the father= provider type (well my dad too technically lol) and i have moon in 10th. my ic=home roots is in capricorn. to me charts can play out in so many different ways.
Yes I know the 4th and 10th houses can be either parent ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted July 06, 2011 02:25 PM
I think I figured out the issue from talking with my friend.
Any comments are still welcome though ------------------
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Aya_and_baby
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posted July 06, 2011 06:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
In the natal charts--one's Sun is supposed to show one's relationship with one's father.
The moon is supposed to show one's relationship with one's mother.OK-what if a person has GREAT Sun aspects but says they had a Bad relationship with the father.
What would the Astrologer conclude?
Thanks so much
It's the opposite for me actually With my Sun conjunct Saturn a lot of astrologers have assumed I had a tough relationship with my father or that he was absent. Neither of which is even close to being true. My dad is a big softie: he'd do anything for both his children and this makes interaction with him very pleasant actually. As for being absent (12th house): he is introverted and withdrawn, and let my mother overpower him, but to call that absent would be a bit harsh. He was there when we needed it, after all, so I could and can safely count on him. As for my mother... I suppose my Moon conjunct Chiron and to an extent opposite my Asc (and all which defines me) does seem to have a bit of truth in it. And she did have two "personalities" she interacted with me with when I was young (it might help to know she's suspected Borderline though), which goes well with my Moon being in Gemini. Not sure how that 7th house fits in. Nothing that fits 7th house really fits how I feel towards my mother. ------------------
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Lioness
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posted July 06, 2011 07:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK Yes I have heard Saturn as father,too.However, I read something about Sun/moon being the paired Mother/father
For example, you can see how close your parents were at your birth by how the sun and moon aspect each other.
Thank you MsCandeh
Astrology is ever learning
I have Sun conjunct Moon... by 1 orb.. I never met my father, My mom never told him she was pregnant... (big ole chicken, she is..lol)
Basically my mom was both. The absent father in my chart shows as Saturn conjunct IC. IP: Logged |
Anglerfish
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posted July 07, 2011 01:54 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK-what if a person has GREAT Sun aspects but says they had a Bad relationship with the father.
This is me lol.
I look at Saturn for the father. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted July 07, 2011 05:19 AM
Hmmm
Interesting Lionness and Angler
Let me ask you this.HOW does an Astrologer know which one is the father in a chart?
For me, it is my Sun.I have very good sun aspects. My moon is my mother.I have moon conjunct Mars.She was competitive with me.
I also have Moon trine Saturn.How would that fit in?
Can an Astrologer draw DIRECT info i.e across the Board conclusions about the parents from the Sun, Moon and Saturn and their aspects?
Would one have to ask EACH client which planet represented the father? For some people would it be the Sun? For others would it be Saturn?
For the mother,is it always the moon?
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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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Lioness
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posted July 07, 2011 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Hmmm
Interesting Lionness and Angler
Let me ask you this.HOW does an Astrologer know which one is the father in a chart?
For me, it is my Sun.I have very good sun aspects. My moon is my mother.I have moon conjunct Mars.She was competitive with me.
I also have Moon trine Saturn.How would that fit in?
Can an Astrologer draw DIRECT info i.e across the Board conclusions about the parents from the Sun, Moon and Saturn and their aspects?
Would one have to ask EACH client which planet represented the father? For some people would it be the Sun? For others would it be Saturn?
For the mother,is it always the moon?
I think you have to look at both, ans see how they are both equally aspected.. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 07, 2011 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK-what if a person has GREAT Sun aspects but says they had a Bad relationship with the father.
Wonder what you mean by great, but yes the Sun's aspects are the experience of the father, what the father teaches of how men are and what to expect from them, also has bearing on how one feels about themselves, creative drive, ability to make changes or have impact on the environment, etc.
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Lonake
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posted July 07, 2011 07:46 PM
Yea makes sense, sun conj moon means the experience of the mother and father is that they acted as one unit. That can have different interpretations.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 07, 2011 07:48 PM
Saturn is not the father exactly, it's the authority figures one encounters while young, one of them could be the father but it doesn't have to be, could represent police, teachers, etc.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted July 07, 2011 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Saturn is not the father exactly, it's the authority figures one encounters while young, one of them could be the father but it doesn't have to be, could represent police, teachers, etc.
YES I thought this Lonake .Thank you.
This is my question--now
Do "good " aspects such as trines to the Sun show a good relationship to the father?
I think you already answered this--as Yes.
The Sun represents the ego and identity too which I understood from your answer. OK --IF the person had one moon aspect like Moon square Uranus --for example--could I ASSUME a "crazy" kind of up and down relationship with the mother? Thanks SO much Darling for any help  ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomon
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Lonake
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posted July 07, 2011 08:13 PM
Well, you know, people don't give trines enough credit for the damage they can cause. The experience of natives of the parents could indeed be that they took liberties with the aspect involved, Sun trine Jupiter for ex. could easily be a lazy indulgent father. This is the kind of thing where you'd really want to see the 'rule of 3' which states we need at least 3 factors before we can say 'yes this is true' vs. 'this looks like a possibility, let's keep checking.'Moon sq Uranus, the mother may not have wanted to be around, she may have been selfish as many Uranians tend to be, she may have had many episodes in her life that through no fault of her own demanded that she could not be able to be a consistent influence in the child's life, it could be that when the mother wanted to nurture the child did not want her around and when the child wanted to be nurtured the mother could not or did not want to be around, the possibilities are just numerous here. All you can really say is that the square brought something erratic to bear on the native in their early nurturing experience and that it's possible they carry it with them into adulthood and act out in ways that they experienced and may not even know why, they may be surprised when others state their moods are erratic at times because the square is not objective, they live inside of themselves. The Moon could have progressed to make an easier aspect to the natal Uranus and during that time they could have done a lot of work to resolve that matter. btw did the post I wrote on composite Saturn/Pluto h1 make sense to you? just wondering re:feedback, but if you'd not like to share that is good too. Anyway if you're facing an issue with that aspect I hope it is resolved soon. IP: Logged |
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