posted July 07, 2011 04:30 PM            

I have it in composite with someone --to answer your question

posted July 07, 2011 04:30 PM            

I have it in composite with someone --to answer your question

posted July 07, 2011 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
Hi AmiAnne,
Passion is not always a good thing to have so if you are passionate it is hard to remain aware that you are going overboard on something (eg excitement, worry, stress etc), I think saturn squares say that every time you are thinking or feeling positively passionate (pluto) about something you 'shouldn't be' and so can be about deep suffering for having been so passionate in the first place. It is also about deep disappointments, I have lots of air grand trines, great gifts but great idealism so what happens when saturn and pluto (the hard hitters) come along, they squash all that idealism.
Astrofix have a great article on this aspect. I am sure this aspect is the one that gives me nightmares and venus neptune is the one that gives me pleasant/sweet dreams.
Given the choice I would have no saturn pluto aspect, too demanding.

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Aww Thank you Darling

Could you venture to say HOW you would see it playing out in the composite.It is in the first house.

posted July 07, 2011 05:06 PM            

So it could go either way depending on all the other aspects. I would look at both synastry and composite. That worked for me, there was a guy I shouldn't be with at all but he kept getting in touch and I just let him down gently and now he's really happy with someone else so that was the right decision (saturn square pluto). There was another guy I was really into but he not so much with me and we had pluto square saturn and had I known more astrology at the time it would have helped me avoid that relationship.

posted July 08, 2011 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
Hi Ami Anne,
With a saturn pluto conjunct you are going to have power issues as both signs like control/power it could be positive that you feel stronger together than you could be individually and with it in 1st could reinforce your sense of self/self esteem. It could also be the pluto person wanting to wear the pants in the relationship and the saturn one saying just a minute, I've got some darn good experience of authority and control myself; so power struggles.

So it could go either way depending on all the other aspects. I would look at both synastry and composite. That worked for me, there was a guy I shouldn't be with at all but he kept getting in touch and I just let him down gently and now he's really happy with someone else so that was the right decision (saturn square pluto). There was another guy I was really into but he not so much with me and we had pluto square saturn and had I known more astrology at the time it would have helped me avoid that relationship.

So avoid the squares and give the conjuncts a chance is my advice in relationships. Would be keen to hear all opinions.

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Thank you Darling
I thought you were male for some reason lol
We had Saturn conj Pluto in the COMPOSITE in the 1st house.
So, from what you say it could be good in the composite--right?

posted July 08, 2011 09:17 AM            

Saturn Conj. Pluto

This aspect signifies that you can endure very difficult times, if you have to, and that you have an unusual degree of tenacity.

There may be a scarcity of some element or experience in your life. If this is the case, you will have to work very hard in an organized and disciplined way to make up for it.

Some persons with this aspect respond to the changes that must come in life with fierce resistance. You will have to cultivate the attitude of letting nature take its course, instead of building up structures to prevent change. But if you allow changes to take place in your life, your inner fortitude will be more than enough to help you through any difficult times.

The conjunction of Saturn and Pluto gives you a driving ambition to realize your goals. To do this, however, you must use all your resources and experience. You are certain that your determination and persistence will make success possible.

You may be forced into a particular profession before you realize which field will enable you to get the results you desire. Your inclination is to traditional occupations that can give you stability in the face of changing social values, which seem to financially threaten you. Your approach to solving the problems you face is extreme. You either join and transform a liability into an asset, or you resist and suffer defeat from the relentless tide of progress.

Secretive about your plans and ambitions, you do not share your innermost thoughts with anyone. You are efficient in managing your financial affairs and resourceful in spending.

posted July 08, 2011 09:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Mblake
You know I can feel that in you.You feel very strong with the force of iron but not cuz you WANT to neccessarily but cuz a force such as this is in you

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This one is more accurate in my case.

http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/pluto-conjunct-saturn.html

Saturn implies restrictions and limitations, which serve as a barrier to progress until certain changes are made or lessons learnt; and when in association with Pluto, the way forward is conditioned by the need for an inner transformation to occur. With this aspect, it is likely that you will experience some degree of frustration in achieving your objectives, or a sense of invisible blockages facing you that require you to discover some way to pass them or dissolve them through penetration.

*I have both saturn and jupiter conj. pluto in the second house.

Also from the same site,

http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/jupiter-conjunct-pluto.html

Jupiter conjunct Pluto

This is a favorable aspect, which should allow you the opportunity to unfold your natural talents relatively easily, applying them in a concentrated and determined approach towards achieving your ambitions. You have the fortunate ability to evoke a response from your 'inner storehouse' of gifts, and create an open channel enabling you to manifest these in an objective context. Those who are close to you or who work daily with you may be inspired by this ability; and you are likely to display certain leadership qualities.

posted July 08, 2011 10:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
The Jupiter in there is a gift Mblake--a very big gift!

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Ticking Time Gift

Back to saturn,
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/saturnaspects.html

Saturn conjunct Pluto
The conjunction of Saturn and Pluto shows amazing reserves of tenacity and self-discipline. Be careful that it doesn't result in too much self-denial and severity. The combination offers great strength of will and an inclination to dig hard and deep into your interests. Once your mind is committed, you are capable of incredible resolve. This gives you a talent for succesfully performing difficult work under tiring circumstances.

http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/saturn-cj-pluto.html

Saturn conjunct your natal Pluto. The main theme tends to be facing responsibility in the face of corruption. This is a time when you have to concentrate your interests more deeply and narrowly, most often because you are going through a financial burden or some other kind of shortage. This is also a time to get rid of any rules and regulations that do not adequately meet the demands that you are experiencing. Many of the habits that you have grown used to, simply do not apply anymore. You may have to live with austere circumstances for a while. The authorities may not be dependable, or may be corrupt.

http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Saturn_conjunct_Pluto

Saturn conjunct Pluto is intense, powerful and intent on absolute mastery. Depending on the character of the person and their level of evolution or maturity, this could result in negative or positive behavior. These people can become ruthless with themselves and others in the pursuit of a goal. On the other hand, their enormous power and self-control can be used for the good of all, assuming they can overcome an ego-based view of what is "good".

http://www.oocities.org/rbltre/astro/saaspl.html

Saturn Conjunct Pluto: You're serious and secretive about plans and projects and have strong ambitions for power and status in areas ruled by Pluto. Your efforts may require patience and hard work, and frustrations can cause deep-rooted obsessional problems. Your ideas and projects have a far-reaching and transforming effect on the world, for good or bad. You're able to channel occult powers through structured systems and to use scientific knowledge to find better, more efficient ways of using nature's resources. Your willingness to endure a lot to achieve goals gains you respect and admiration. Your dedication to control can be good and/or bad. If afflicted, intrigue, secret enemies, selfish motives and desire for power may lead to your downfall. At times, your behavior pattern can be extremely unpredictable.

http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/saturn_transit.php

You will probably be reviewing a lot of very sensitive psychological material. Although you may not be able to notice any change, this is a chance to organize your thoughts and build new habits that will bring orderly change in the future.

http://mystarworld.com/content/saturn_conjunctions.asp

Saturn in Conjunction with Pluto is a powerful aspect that will affect the very foundations of your being. There is a powerful need to have total control, to be master of your own house. You will generally resist fiercely anyone or anything that poses a threat to your security.

There's also a tendency to dominate those closest to you, based on the fear of losing them or being rejected. However, you need to take care that this behaviour doesn't provoke the very situations that you are afraid of. It is likely, however, that your life will go through periodic changes in order to make room for new growth. The pain and loss that you feel at such times can eventually make you a stronger person.

posted July 08, 2011 10:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yes Mblake that sounds like you a great deal lol

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posted July 08, 2011 11:07 AM            

It is so easy for me to say from the outside while I am struggling with similar integrations and falling very short lol

posted July 08, 2011 11:16 AM            

these people cannot be pushed, and in fact the harder one tries to push them, the harder they push back, as the generating force needs to come from within..

posted July 08, 2011 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

It is so easy for me to say from the outside while I am struggling with similar integrations and falling very short lol

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I can empathize with this.

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Originally posted by katatonic:
pluto insists that you learn to live with loss...and saturn that you keep going one step at a time if necessary.

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