posted July 08, 2011 06:25 PM            

I did casually remark in another thread that this aspect feels like an astrological mullet: business in the front, party in the back. Though that could be because Sun is emotional and Ascendant is practical for me. I often get annoyed with not being accurately percieved, with alot of people just generally intimidated by me. Then I also get annoyed for not feeling free to truly express myself because its a cerebral world and feelings are not included and blah blah blah. If I could pick a cheesy Disney song for this aspect, it would be "Reflection" from Mulan who according to many actually represents the tenants of a Libra/7th house Sun (nice!). The problem is that if I get rid of the Capricorn facade, it leaves me feeling exposed and vulnerable....hence the "Two Fridas" reference. Don't want to believe it's vital to me, but all evidence points in that direction.

For most people, the Ascendant is something they gradually took on when they first entered the outside world. I'm getting the consensus (from the other thread) that the Ascendant was forced on the Sun opposite Asc person, kicking and screaming. For me, it was cultural: in my culture the oldest child is practically treated like an adult....no time for the inner child. I was literally my brother (and sister's) keeper. Its probably the earliest experience of the Cancer-Capricorn duel that I had as my inner self (Cancer) or child did get neglected for responsibility, responsibility, responsibility (Capricorn).

I guess I just want to generate more discussion about this crazy aspect, and how its manifested in other's lives. It would be especially interesting to hear from people with this opposition of the inverse proportion: Ascendant in an emotional element (fire or water) opposite Sun in practical/cerebral element....for example: Libra Sun/Aries Asc. or Capricorn Sun/Cancer Asc. Because honestly, I only see this aspect from my POV and having to stifle the more intuitive/sensitive side of myself. I wonder...do you guys feel you have to "soften" or "liven up" your approach to others? If I'm wrong, explain in your own words....I'm just speculating here.

posted July 09, 2011 07:32 PM            

I think a lot of what you mentioned can be attributed to other influences in the chart. My planets are not exactly opposed my ascendant, but they are still in the 7th. And you are right about emotional vs practical - my Libra ascendant comes across as detached and "everything's fine, darhling", while my Aries stellium screams "no, it is not ok and I really want to smash your head with a pan but I can't because of this dandy ascendant"

posted July 09, 2011 08:03 PM            

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my Libra ascendant comes across as detached and "everything's fine, darhling", while my Aries stellium screams "no, it is not ok and I really want to smash your head with a pan but I can't because of this dandy ascendant"

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Ouch, you poor thing! I truly feel your pain. (though I do have an Aries Mars) Sucks worse that you're superconscious of what comes out and what remains tightly lidded.

And the common point between Aries and Libra....ehhh, good question. I'm thinking it may be about interdependence? You learn cooperation with others while still asserting yourself and your boundaries? I'm just running with this!

posted July 10, 2011 04:23 PM            

http://www.ordinarycourage.com/my-blog/2011/5/9/cool-the-emotional-straightjacket.html

posted July 10, 2011 05:01 PM            

I think that the intimidation comes from the Scorpio side of you (sorry that I don't remember exactly, my Mercury in Pisces is terrible at these things, your moon is in the 8th?). This would also correlate with the painting, Venus is right. Pluto vibes all the way.

And yes, early responsibility would be Saturn in the 12th, especially if it conjuncts the ascendant. I have this in my chart and I always thought that the existential angst it brings is beautifully captured in "The Scream".

posted July 10, 2011 09:01 PM            

again as iv said i don't have the opposition but my asc and sun are in opposing signs. scorpio asc and sun in taurus 7th.

i don't feel misunderstood but then it's probably coz i don't care if i am.

my 1st reply went something like if your a mullet i'm a faux hawk. party in the front business in the back.

posted July 10, 2011 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
someone should start an art/ astro thread. iv been liking art from tarot cards lately.

again as iv said i don't have the opposition but my asc and sun are in opposing signs. scorpio asc and sun in taurus 7th.

i don't feel misunderstood but then it's probably coz i don't care if i am.

my 1st reply went something like if your a mullet i'm a faux hawk. party in the front business in the back.

iv read somewhere that venus opp asc (which i have) can mean dressing inappropriately or giving a bad image. only 1 reading i saw this in though out of many. can it be similar for asc opp sun?

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Dude!! Why didn't you say so? I guess its my mistake for not clarifying: I do mean anyone with sun and Asc in opposite signs, regardless of whether they actually oppose eachother by degree or not.

Sun opposite Asc is about giving out a sort of 'picture' or image that doesn't match how you really ARE at your core. I think Venus opposite Asc could be about dressing inappropriately because there is a athlete with Asc Square Venus who alot of people complain needs a stylist...badly. I think he's just a unique dresser, but he puts the wrong things together sometimes and its unflattering on him. Not sure if that would apply to you though. Actually, maybe since Venus is at home near the DC it wouldn't be so bad. Probably the opposite.

And LMAO, on the Faux Hawk! If you care to elaborate on how this works for you, I'd be very interested as I said, I've rarely come across this configuration from the inverse.

And not caring for other people's perceptions of you seems a typically fixed energy statement to make. Interesting.

posted July 10, 2011 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
Dude!! Why didn't you say so? I guess its my mistake for not clarifying: I do mean anyone with sun and Asc in opposite signs, regardless of whether they actually oppose eachother by degree or not.

Sun opposite Asc is about giving out a sort of 'picture' or image that doesn't match how you really ARE at your core. I think Venus opposite Asc could be about dressing inappropriately because there is a athlete with Asc Square Venus who alot of people complain needs a stylist...badly. I think he's just a unique dresser, but he puts the wrong things together sometimes and its unflattering on him. Not sure if that would apply to you though. Actually, maybe since Venus is at home near the DC it wouldn't be so bad. Probably the opposite.

And LMAO, on the Faux Hawk! If you care to elaborate on how this works for you, I'd be very interested as I said, I've rarely come across this configuration from the inverse.

And not caring for other people's perceptions of you seems a typically fixed energy statement to make. Interesting.

And re: Tarot art....which decks have you been looking at? I have a Medieval/Modern Scapini deck that fascinates me!

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i think i also mentioned in my deleted post being perceived as a badass while really being a sissy taurus LOL!

i do think i am perceived a bit as bad or i used to be. i think i made a thread on oppositions and perceptions before. but iv kinda figured out how to deflect that especially with clothes. i used to wear leather jackets to work ehehe! tats, piercings. no wonder i don't get credit even if i'm team leader and do everything i don't look like i work LOL! i wear fakey glasses sometimes ehehe! plus i try to let other friendlier aspects take the lead like leo moon or my venus.

anyway iz weird coz i have pluto conj asc opposite venus conj desc. i think a lot of attention goes my way so if i'm caught doing something bad people take notice and i get caught. like i probably can't commit a crime because if a witness sees me i'd be so easily identifiable LOL! So i guess the solution is to do good! coz if i do good it gets noticed more. took me a whole decade to learn that though!

oh and cool to me is uh not doing stuff you did in high school anymore.

posted July 11, 2011 02:24 PM            

And the way the Sun in the 7th has played out is me attracting extroverts; me attracting men who act like extroverts but then turn shy, indirect, needy, and supersensitive around me(Sun is in Cancer and so is the DC); and then me attracting bossy friends. I realize part of it is internal (me disowning parts of myself) which is why I've moved 700 miles away to think about it and take back my own personality. Then I can maybe attract better manifestations of a water DC/Sun in the 7th.

posted July 11, 2011 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
i think i also mentioned in my deleted post being perceived as a badass while really being a sissy taurus LOL!

i do think i am perceived a bit as bad or i used to be. i think i made a thread on oppositions and perceptions before. but iv kinda figured out how to deflect that especially with clothes. i used to wear leather jackets to work ehehe! tats, piercings. no wonder i don't get credit even if i'm team leader and do everything i don't look like i work LOL! i wear fakey glasses sometimes ehehe! plus i try to let other friendlier aspects take the lead like leo moon or my venus.

anyway iz weird coz i have pluto conj asc opposite venus conj desc. i think a lot of attention goes my way so if i'm caught doing something bad people take notice and i get caught. like i probably can't commit a crime because if a witness sees me i'd be so easily identifiable LOL! So i guess the solution is to do good! coz if i do good it gets noticed more. took me a whole decade to learn that though!

oh and cool to me is uh not doing stuff you did in high school anymore.

i think i have a crowley deck. but i don't like collecting decks. i like the actual art in them but like 3x bigger LOL!

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Wow, I love how the theme of your ASC-SUN are played out a second time with the Venus-Pluto opposition. So what you're saying is that people see you as more threatening and "dangerous" than you actually are? That would make sense having that Combination. With Venus opposite pluto, things like piercings and tattoos are art/beauty to you. Of course, even without the tattoos people (and women especially) would still percieve you as having an sharper edge to your soft Taurean self. Your story is funny/adorable though. It reminds me of my favorite line: "Come to the darkside, we have cookies." Though I do find it annoying that people assume that if you have a few tattoos or a piercings, then you're automatically deliquent. Yes, yes, image is everything in the workplace but if you can get the job done it ultimately shouldn't matter.

posted July 11, 2011 05:17 PM            

well i do have a lot of scorp but if you don't really do anything to me nah i wouldn't hurt a fly. hitler has my asc-sun combo tho!

"That would make sense having that Combination. With Venus opposite pluto, things like piercings and tattoos are art/beauty to you. "

dunno if i find them beautiful still i was really young when i had the piercings. like 12 or 13. my tats were sissy too. my skin can't take them as iv found out LOL! i scar easily. I even have a huge scar right across my nose when i got sliced by that thing you use to take leaves out of the pool. people think iz coz i got into fights LOL!

transits to first house must be significant for appearance. but then scorpio on the asc with pluto there as iv read could transform a lot.

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The activities of the 1st house serve the agenda of the 1st house. Here, behavior, attitude and appearance serve themselves. The orientation to life is self-centered. You do things for your own satisfaction. Creating a persona is the first step to navigating through life. You are preoccupied with appearance and presence. Developing awareness helps you present a better image self-image. By being in tune with the image you project, you develop self-awareness. Lack of awareness of your behavior hinders your ability to get through life the way you want to. Your appearance affects your behavior. You express yourself through the way you look. You express yourself through clothing and makeup. You take on different personae to affect different mannerisms and behavior. You try on different personalities. Creating a persona helps or hinders your approach life. The image you project affects your ability to navigate through life. You create a mask of self-awareness. By developing self-awareness you get noticed. By becoming aware of your behavior and mannerisms you make a better first impression.

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Read more: http://astrofix.net/2010/04/18/ruler-of-the-1st-house-in-houses/#ixzz1RqBzoiRX

"Though I do find it annoying that people assume that if you have a few tattoos or a piercings, then you're automatically deliquent. Yes, yes, image is everything in the workplace but if you can get the job done it ultimately shouldn't matter."

i haven't worked for a long time yet. i think i was just oblivious then with the codes of conduct etc.. nobody told me it was wrong LOL!

cute haha!

this was the reading that got me thinking about oppositions...

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With the Rising sign (or ascendant) on the cusp, the First House is considered the entry point for understanding the entire birth chart. This House influences the sense of self and personal image that others see, through mannerisms, style and attitude.

Signs and planets here have a big impact on what I'll call the atmosphere of the Self. The First House is the energy of the Self, experienced by others. Someone with high vitality could have Mars in this house, while Saturn here acts to restrain energy, and lends a seriousness to the personality. Hard aspects in this house show up as behavior issues that are out there for all the world to see. Favorable aspects are gifts that may make you particularly attractive, or well-liked by others.

The First House includes physical attributes that shape your sense of who you are. Health issues that impact your personal journey show up here in the birth chart. This means both your physical and psychological make-up, with a special focus on the face and head. But the First House holds keys to your overall appearance, including grooming habits, and tastes in dress and carriage.

As the First House, there's an associative link to childhood, and the experiences that have shaped your sense of Self. Hard aspects here hint at difficult early obstacles, sometimes parenting, that had an impact on your self-image, and ability to act in the world. The long shadow of childhood presents a series of challenges for such a person, the journey to overcome a rough start. Favorable aspects, on the other hand, may have laid a strong foundation for later success.

Transits to the First House may cause changes to your self-image, and impact you on a personal level. Your very being gets altered, depending on the energies lighting up this house.

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posted July 11, 2011 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I thought the one in the white dress represented her Hungarian Heritage while the other one represented the Mexican side? Oh well, there are many ways to analyze this photo....that's what's so great about it. And you have an Aries Mars too, right? Gosh, that's gotta be difficult in its opposite house. Mine's in the 3rd and already created problems. LOL

And the way the Sun in the 7th has played out is me attracting extroverts; me attracting men who act like extroverts but then turn shy, indirect, needy, and supersensitive around me(Sun is in Cancer and so is the DC); and then me attracting bossy friends. I realize part of it is internal (me disowning parts of myself) which is why I've moved 700 miles away to think about it and take back my own personality. Then I can maybe attract better manifestations of a water DC/Sun in the 7th.

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posted July 11, 2011 09:03 PM            

@Journia: You're welcome! Its a frustrating opposition to have, so I'm glad I could be of help. I remember you have the Gem Venus and Scorpio Moon while I have a Gem Venus and 8th house moon..LOL. And yes, "Reflection" is a very good song.

@Sand: Yeah, I love how they don't make anyone aware of their policies on tattoos until after you've been there for six months. So typical. And LOL...I'm glad you like the new catchphrase. I think it should be the slogan for any Taurean or Cancer with a strong Pluto. I myself should put that in brightlights over my house. And I appreciate the articles too because they highlighted the important things. Awareness is key when handling any difficult energy, and I loved the bit about being "well-liked" (for the easy aspects vs. hard), because I know that isn't true for me and maybe it has to do with giving out the image that doesn't match the true self. Maybe alot of people find that inconsistent and don't want to deal. My sister has a Scorpio Ascendant but with a Pisces Sun so you can imagine she has an easier time with people...even with Gemini Moon squaring Sun. Actually, my brother also has a Cap Sun/Taurus Asc and is generally more comfortable in his skin too.

posted July 13, 2011 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:

I guess I just want to generate more discussion about this crazy aspect, and how its manifested in other's lives. It would be especially interesting to hear from people with this opposition of the inverse proportion: Ascendant in an emotional element (fire or water) opposite Sun in practical/cerebral element....for example: Libra Sun/Aries Asc. or Capricorn Sun/Cancer Asc. Because honestly, I only see this aspect from my POV and having to stifle the more intuitive/sensitive side of myself. I wonder...do you guys feel you have to "soften" or "liven up" your approach to others? If I'm wrong, explain in your own words....I'm just speculating here.

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I am a cappy with Cancer rising (though sun in H7 is not in opposition to AC). Mercury exactly conjunct DC in H7. Cancer in me often tries to soften my reactions to people. I do not want to hurt people and most of people see me as a gentle man (which is probably also true, lol, but I sometimes feel people do not see me as I am), and I also appear more shy than I am in reality.