posted July 10, 2011 08:28 PM            

Person A

posted July 10, 2011 10:01 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
contrasts? you mean they're different? so the one with bluer lines is a saint the red, criminal? iv know criminals with a lot of blue in their chart. i think it helps them not getting caught. but yeah the red blue thing doesn't really work.

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I guess I didn't really word that right. The main reason I wondered about person A was because I read on Clairevision the following about the Mars-Pluto aspect (I have to admit, those lines got my attention):

posted July 10, 2011 10:54 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Just my opinion: but keep a close eye, or close distance from the 1st one - the sagittarius.

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posted July 11, 2011 10:15 AM            

The second one is laid back (and actually that was my progressed chart a year or 2 ago.. They must be born 20 days after me).

posted July 11, 2011 11:33 AM            

Sun opposite Mars
Venus opposite Saturn
Mercury opposite Pluto

I don't consider myself to be at all a horrible sort of person, in fact I am considered a pushover by most people I know.

The Sun opp Mars and Venus opp Saturn all square my ASC/DC (moreso the sun/mars aspect) so that would sort of give me a grand cross (though often people only consider grand crosses with only planets)

My moon's only aspect is square jupiter.

I am fascinated in dark things (my book collection is mainly astrology, paranormal and true crime/serial killers) I enjoy horror movies but i love fluffy animals and wouldn't hurt a person or thing. I also like romantic movies and fluffy stuff I would do anything for anyone if they asked, usually (which is why I am considered a pushover).

A serial killer I have been particularly interested in is the most charming one I have heard of. I read a book called "An Evil Love" (which is very graphic so I don't advise you read it unless you are really ok with gory details) but he was basically the charming killer. He evaded police sooo many times even when they came to his house and there were people in the rooms! His final murder was his own daughter. His first murder I think was also his first child. Here is his chart

Fred West

I know we use astrology to analyse but I strongly believe that it shoudl only be used as a tool or a guide because the charts only express potential and do not by any means indicate that a person WILL be a certain way. The aspects can manifest in a number of ways and just because there are hard aspects doesn't mean they are going to be difficult people (it could even indicate there could be an internal struggle which doesn't impact you as a friend of theirs depending on how they show it)

The 'sun conjunct uranus could mean they are an impulsive lively person but how it manifests could be so many different ways.

How do you feel when you are around this person? Do you WANT to be friends with them even if you didn't know their birthday?

posted July 11, 2011 11:57 AM            

I can see the leo ASC being more the sort to wear their heart on their sleeve, generous and willing to give to their partners. even with a leo asc they may not be a really really strong person because they only have one angular planet (though it is the chart ruler which gives this placement extra oomph and probably more of a concern about others than themselves ... especially with the jupiter venus conjunction making them quite generous). They could easily be used by their partners as well due to the easy trine placements and lack of angular planets. Though I must say of all Leo moons I know they are quite stubborn and can be firey but I haevnt seen one with a chart like this so that could be just a small part of them. As it is in the 12th house this may also be toned down in them.

The pisces ascendant person seems like they are carrying a lot of internal hurt and may struggle with some internalised issues (moon conjunct chiron on the IC). they may be a bit work foccused? The dual ruler of pisces is in 12th and 10th houses. maybe they struggle to find a place in the workforce.. it seems they keep a lot to themselves (well their INNER deep things anyway) so may make them a private and deep/complex person, even though they appear lively and gregarious on the outside (sun conjunct uranus square mars and jupiter). I can see internal conflict but I can't say whether you should be concerned about how they will be as a friend. They are probably interested in foreign affairs and travel with such a packed 9th house, and ruler of ninth being the natural sagittarius. They maybe feel like they would rather be living in a different country or may actually be from a different country than they currently reside (ruler of 9th in 12th) but most probably just dream about being elsewhere?? (or even feel spiritually connected to a place other than where they are from).
hmm yes this is a pretty complex chart, with venus and pluto in the 8th trine mars /jupiter (wow a very sexy sort of person?!) or maybe they have a lot tied up in taxes and investments, or maybe enjoy investing seriously, but i would say with the venus/pluto in 8th trine mars/jupiter that it would be more of a sexual energy. Maybe this is hidden as well because of the connection to the 12th house.

Apart from the 8th house, this person's succedent houses are empty, which indicates to me that they have some issues with dealing with receving/giving love and self worth. this would validate what i am seeing with moon conjunct chiron. maybe their parents were absent as a child, or they felt neglected and this may have negatively affected their self-worth. it might not be so obvious to a lot of people due to the planet placements being in cadent houses.

this only shows potential but it could very well be that this person has overcome some of their issues because of the angular chart ruler (neptune) in 10th, but with jupiter being in the 12th I'm not sure, it may be that they throw themselves into work or try to ignore any of these issues by distracting themselves with work.

posted July 11, 2011 12:18 PM            

The struggle is that people around you can sometimes make judgments about who you are as a person without really knowing you. Its more like you show a cover of a book but the other person hasn't read it. Whether they form an immediate judgment depends on their charcter as well. the cover could be a nice sparkling one but the words are meaningless and badly put together, or a boring old shabby bookcover but the words in them are like the most well written piece of work you have ever had the pleasure to lay your eyes on and you are intrigued and can't stop reading the book! Such is the dilemma of sun square ASC

The sun square ascendant aspect gives you the appearance of being insincere (because what you project is not necessarily who you are). This may or may not be true. Personally i have been accused of lying when i haven't been.. it must be something i project but it couldn't be further from the truth. i hate lying and liars! yet it has occurred quite often and i feel fairly misunderstood. :/ I have worked VERY hard to get more in touch with my inner sun and let that shine through (sun on the IC for me). It is definitely working better for me, and i don't feel as misunderstood

the mars square sun , especially with sun in saggitarius conjunct uranus could indicate that the person may be blunt/harsh with words which may be taken the wrong way or make him perceived to be someone he is not deep down... he could be a VERy blunt person and maybe quite unexpectedly say comments out of the blue that seem out of character or harsh or surprising or offensive, seeing as this sun sits on his MC. This doesnt mean this is the sort of person he is, just a part.

am i on the right track? do you know this person well? they are probably quite fun and spontaneous to be around.

posted July 11, 2011 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
one thing i can say about these charts is that the way the two people are are quite different in ways they approach life.

I can see the leo ASC being more the sort to wear their heart on their sleeve, generous and willing to give to their partners. even with a leo asc they may not be a really really strong person because they only have one angular planet (though it is the chart ruler which gives this placement extra oomph and probably more of a concern about others than themselves ... especially with the jupiter venus conjunction making them quite generous). They could easily be used by their partners as well due to the easy trine placements and lack of angular planets. Though I must say of all Leo moons I know they are quite stubborn and can be firey but I haevnt seen one with a chart like this so that could be just a small part of them. As it is in the 12th house this may also be toned down in them.

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The pisces ascendant person seems like they are carrying a lot of internal hurt and may struggle with some internalised issues (moon conjunct chiron on the IC). they may be a bit work foccused? [/B]

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it seems they keep a lot to themselves (well their INNER deep things anyway) so may make them a private and deep/complex person, even though they appear lively and gregarious on the outside (sun conjunct uranus square mars and jupiter). I can see internal conflict but I can't say whether you should be concerned about how they will be as a friend. [/B]

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hmm yes this is a pretty complex chart, with venus and pluto in the 8th trine mars /jupiter (wow a very sexy sort of person?!) or maybe they have a lot tied up in taxes and investments, or maybe enjoy investing seriously, but i would say with the venus/pluto in 8th trine mars/jupiter that it would be more of a sexual energy. Maybe this is hidden as well because of the connection to the 12th house.[/B]

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Apart from the 8th house, this person's succedent houses are empty, which indicates to me that they have some issues with dealing with receving/giving love and self worth. this would validate what i am seeing with moon conjunct chiron. maybe their parents were absent as a child, or they felt neglected and this may have negatively affected their self-worth. it might not be so obvious to a lot of people due to the planet placements being in cadent houses.[/B]

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anyway sorry to ramble, just some random thoughts [/B]

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posted July 11, 2011 04:16 PM            

According to Clairevision, we have
My SN conjunct his Pluto at 0°19'
My SN conjunct his Venus at 2°30'
My Sun conjunct his Mars at 0°42'

His NN conjunct my Venus at 7°52'
His NN conjunct my Pallas at 7°28'

His ASC conjunct my Uranus at 0°00'
His ASC conjunct my Pluto at 3°17'

posted July 11, 2011 06:42 PM            

I like that his Pisces Sun is free to express itself as it wishes.. The sextile to Neptune and the trine to Pluto (dignified in Sco) are very supportive. He has the freedom to be all the positive things we hear about Pisces. He is also a strong person, due to his fixed influence and he can be very decisive. He has something a lot of Pisces men are seen as 'lacking' which is - back bone. I like his Mars in Capricorn close to Saturn and Neptune (pisces' ruler).
Basically this guy is very calm, caring and intelligent. But no one messes with him. He does not need to be aggressive to get his point across, but he has a *sting* and he will use it when it's necessary.

The first chart (Sagittarius Sun) - also has a strong Neptunian component. The difference is, this person is out of whack. Too many squares.. too much energy being wasted in argument and drama. Mars is not very strong in Pisces.. but conjunct Jupiter it would still be a good placement for a humanitarian. This person probably has such goals.. The problem is the lack of self control - He could have drug abuse problems for instance. He might not reach his goals due to the amount of nervous energy he has.
Romantically .. sexually in particular - he's not at all bad..
Sex is the only area of his life that seems to be both intense and 'easy'. Venus conj Pluto trine Mars!

posted July 14, 2011 07:11 PM            

No. But only because he doesn't meet many people in life who he genuinely wants to have sex with (imo).. I'm basing this on the aspects to his Mars.

--- or be the type to just hook up.

Definitely not. I don't think he has ever just 'hooked up'.
Capricorn Mars is very mature about these things.

--- or does this person need an emotional connection to be intimate?

Very likely... he has Mars/Neptune in Cap, like myself.
But the emotional connection doesn't have to be romantic love. It can be a different kind of love as well (as long as he feels strongly for the person).

posted July 14, 2011 08:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
-- Is this someone who would cheat?

No. But only because he doesn't meet many people in life who he genuinely wants to have sex with (imo).. I'm basing this on the aspects to his Mars.

--- or be the type to just hook up.

Definitely not. I don't think he has ever just 'hooked up'.
Capricorn Mars is very mature about these things.

--- or does this person need an emotional connection to be intimate?

Very likely... he has Mars/Neptune in Cap, like myself.
But the emotional connection doesn't have to be romantic love. It can be a different kind of love as well (as long as he feels strongly for the person).

Also - I mentioned elsewhere this aspect can be guilty of 'pity sex'... If he was ever attracted to the idea of cheating, it would most likely be because he feels sorry for the other woman for whatever reason (if she is sick or depressed etc..)
But, he does have self-control. Saturn is there as well, and Saturn is dignified in Capricorn - so it's a strong placement!
So, I would still go with: NO - He won't cheat. (even in this context)

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Wow Betty - I didn't think he would either but he did. I was surprised to find out he's in situation like that as we speak. I wonder what that says about either the one he's cheating on or the one he's cheating with...