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Topic: Validity of the Vertex
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waxlobster
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From: Birmingham
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 12, 2011 07:42 AM
  
Hi All,I've been looking at synastry charts for years and have never found any basis for the claims of the Vertex. Mine is 18 Taurus and rarely have I found those I am most connected to have a planet here or at 18 Scorpio. Whereas the Nodes I see feature time and time again reliably. So I was wondering if any of you have any personal experience of the Vertex that can backup all the claims that it is a powerful point??? Please do share..  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted July 12, 2011 07:57 AM
Great question  Waxlobster------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
Be as wise as a serpents,gentle as doves.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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MsCandeh
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From: Australia
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted July 12, 2011 08:16 AM
Personally I like the meaning of the vertex when it is used for transits. It is a gate of destiny and seems fitting that it would coincide with what the stars are doing at the time of an important event.IP: Logged |
MsCandeh
Knowflake Posts: 851
From: Australia
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted July 12, 2011 08:18 AM
I use them in synastry but I haven't had a lot of success with my own synastry too much... I had my Jupiter conjunct MrGeminis Vertex. I don't really have it with a lot of other people and I have known one person to have Venus conjunct my Vertex but he is a close online friend I haven't met lol and we have kinda drifted apart over the last year.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted July 12, 2011 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by MsCandeh:
Personally I like the meaning of the vertex when it is used for transits. It is a gate of destiny and seems fitting that it would coincide with what the stars are doing at the time of an important event.
MsCandeh
Does the NATURE of the other person's planet matter -in synastry?
For example --does it show the nature of the relationship if it is his Saturn vs Jupiter vs Venus ?
Thanks Darling ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
Be as wise as a serpents,gentle as doves.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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sand
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Registered: May 2011
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posted July 12, 2011 08:23 AM
my vertex is in aqua. i remember reading something about a need to learn tolerance if you have fixed signs, which i do (alot). so i connect with the vertex just as much as my node in gemini. hate both LOL but they're lessons i need to learn i guess. IP: Logged |
Hera
Knowflake Posts: 122
From: the OR
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 12, 2011 08:35 AM
So far, the Vertex hasn't lived up to its reputation for me, either. The only connection I had in a meaningful relationship was Vertex on anti-Vertex (and viceversa), but that relationship was so highly karmic and full of Nodal contacts that I don't think the Vertex made any difference. ------------------
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CancerRising
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posted July 12, 2011 09:08 AM
My best friend of 11 years has her Mars in Scorpio exact conjunct my Vertex, but that's about it lol. It has never been significant in any romantic relationships.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 12, 2011 10:38 AM
I've had loads on that axis, out of 4 significant relationships, 1 had his merc con my vx, one had his sun con vx, one had his venus con anti vx, and those were just the ones that came to mind quickly, the one I'm still obsessed with has his sun con my anti vx exact,The last guy I got intimate with had his saturn and uranus con my anti vertex. So basically the last 3 I've been with and the current obsession {nothing's happened} all have things activating that axis and these are the only involvements I've had since 2003. the east point is another one that I've seen a lot of though I'm not too sure about it's full meaning, I've read up on it but not studied it. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted July 12, 2011 11:13 AM
A lack of vertex connections doesn't mean that your relationships are not fated or meaningful. If you DO have vertex connections, then your relationships WILL definitely feel fated.I've only experienced the double whammy ASC/Vertex conjunction. It was magnetic. It didn't last but the Vertex does NOT guarantee a lasting relationship, nor does it guarantee happiness. IP: Logged |
waxlobster
Knowflake Posts: 29
From: Birmingham
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 13, 2011 06:36 AM
Thanks Dysfunctional,Do you have any personal planetary aspects to that Vertex Point?? I just want to get a clear picture... IP: Logged |
waxlobster
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From: Birmingham
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 13, 2011 06:37 AM
How did it feel Amowls? Were there other synastry connections that backed up the link?I keep reading that Vertex 'feels fated' but unless I hear personal experiences I will believe it no more than I believe a tabloid newspaper  IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted July 13, 2011 08:58 AM
{from the vertex} I have a sextile to the sun and moon, a trine to uranus, so if they have something on my anti vertex it trines my sun and moon and sextiles my uranus, my vertex is in the 8th which may account for something {as in its easier for me to go into these types of relationships} there have been other chart factors in synastry - too many to mention but the vertex was just an additional factor to weigh in.I'm sat here thinking that it may be that I "choose" people with a vertex connection because it means both my moon and uranus are getting favourable aspects from the other as natally they are in opposition and it may be that subconsciously they quite literally help to balance that out.....just a thought. IP: Logged |
samsaoule
Knowflake Posts: 146
From: world
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 13, 2011 04:04 PM
I experienced a double whammy vertex-ASC conjunction with a guy recently. The pull was amazing, but this intense feeling (electrical is the word) did not happen right at the beginning. It suddenly happened after a few weeks spent together at work. We also had nodal contacts and strong Pluto interaspects. It did not work as we were not ready for that. I think we have to live further our own way to meet again (maybe in a different life time).IP: Logged |
starcrossedleo
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posted July 13, 2011 05:16 PM
My on again off again ex of 7 years has his Vertex conjunct my Venus/Sun conjunction in Leo and my Vertex is conjunct his Sun/Neptune conjunction in Scorpio and this relationship feels fated to me every waking day for the past 7 years. He pops in and out of my life even though I try to shake him.His North Node is also conjunct my Venus/Sun. It seems like we have a lot of karma still to work out and it's not been pleasant by any stretch of the imagination... IP: Logged |
feitlebaum
Knowflake Posts: 77
From: AZ
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted July 13, 2011 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by sand:
my vertex is in aqua. i remember reading something about a need to learn tolerance if you have fixed signs, which i do (alot). so i connect with the vertex just as much as my node in gemini. hate both LOL but they're lessons i need to learn i guess.
Yeah, I have the same placement. It said you need to learn tolerance if you have a lot of fixed signs or water/earth... which I have both. Bleh. :PFor some reason, I don't attract men of my element... I keep getting/going after fire or air men. I feel out of place with them, but perhaps it's the lesson of the vertex. IP: Logged |
sand
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posted July 13, 2011 06:57 PM
^forgot about earth/ water but i'm mostly taurus-scorpio ugh LOL! i go for earth water women mostly but i feel out of place with them too haha! really need tp reassess stuff when it comes to relationships. i don't even look at synastry much. what are important points that conjunct it? sun and asc? so an aqua sun would teach me to be nicer? makes sense really. mine is at 24 degrees aquarius.IP: Logged |
feitlebaum
Knowflake Posts: 77
From: AZ
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted July 13, 2011 07:06 PM
The guys I go after have SOME Earth in them... enough trines/conjunctions to make me attracted to them. I don't know if I would ever want to be with an Aquarius. I have Saturn in Aqua too.Right now I'm with a Gemini who has a fair amount of water and earth. IP: Logged |
Dawnlies
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From: France
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 14, 2011 04:26 AM
My best friend and I have the double whammy Asc/vertex conjunction.As soon as we met, it was very magnetic. I was like : "whoa, I want to know that girl!!"
An accident happen to her and we didn't see each other for about a month and a half and during this time I did everything to contact her even though we weren't friends at that time! I found her phone number and called her, she was very surprised in a nice way.
We are both very shy and I am not the kind of girl who's probing in asking for friendship. In this case however, during her convalescence and after, I send her texts and called her regularly until we could met somewhere because I knew somehow this relationship would be very important. She told me later she had the same feelings toward me, that she thought she was lucky to have met me, but she didn't dare contacting me because she felt the implications of the relationship were too strong for her at the beginning and she was very glad I did the first step. Since then we experience a very different kind of friendship we knew before, more potent and that runs deeper than any other. But I must say we also have strong pluto/venus, pluto/sun, saturn/moon, moon/mars connections and our suns, moons and asc are all connected to each other. So there is much more than the vertex in this relationship.
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Lonake
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From: U.S.
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 14, 2011 04:36 AM
Hi Waxie, , my Vx is conj my Dsc ruler, so as that happens it has come into play rather predictably in my synastries. Often found conj the other person's Dsc or NN (most often) or opp their personal planet (rarer but still happens on occasion) thus being conj my antivertex. quote:
The Vertex axis can be likened to a doorway that gives access to other realities. It is usually highly emphasized, with a planet conjunct (orb 8°), in the charts of people who have this ability. The doorway is of the nature of the sign and house where the Vertex resides and powerfully emphasizes that sign, making it at least as important as that of the Ascendant and MC.
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· The Vertex axis is not an especially strong point in a natal chart unless it has a planet or Node conjunct it or in close to exact aspect with it.· If it has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC. · If it has a planet in close aspect it enhances that planet’s nature, its sign and house to a considerable degree, making that planet a very strong focus in the chart. · A planet conjunct or in a close to exact aspect to the Vertex tends to give a specific and often intense destiny – something the person is required to do or experience for greater soul development, or must do in order to find meaning in life – or both! · Therefore Vertex stimulation can have an almost compulsive effect that overrides all other considerations. The Vertex axis can have such a strong effect because it is the third and most powerful axis in the life development process.
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waxlobster
Knowflake Posts: 29
From: Birmingham
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 14, 2011 07:17 AM
Thanks Dysfunctional, certainly Moon and Uranus are big players in synastry, as somebody who doesn’t {yet} use the Vertex in my analysis I wouldn’t be surprised to see those points triggered. Also anothers’ planets falling in your 8th can add to sexual attraction. {As far as I’m aware the Vertex has to fall in the 7th or 8th house – something to do with the mathematical formula it is based upon}. Samsoule, yes I understand that feeling. To be honest strong Pluto aspects can create that great intense electricity. Sometimes it burns out, sometimes it’s the substance that keeps the relationship regenerating. Still it’s interesting that you’re the second person to mention Ascendant-Vertex conjunctions… Interesting Starcrossedleo… I would attribute the Nodal contact there as a definite link of course. Do you have Venus-Uranus and/or Venus-Pluto contacts too? I take it the Leo and Scorpio planets are out of orb of square? Venus-Neptune has it’s own very powerful allure…. Dawnlies – that’s amazing synastry with your friend, what a lovely story. You know somebody’s meant to be in your life when the feeling is so powerful like that!! Again, way too much between your charts for me to attribute it to the Vertex. Interesting Lonake but I still question the validity of most of the astrological write ups I read on the internet. My Vertex is within a degree from my Mars, also my Descendant ruler and both in the 7th House. Obviously I am drawn to men whose charts aspect my Mars and 7th House ruler. I’ve wondered whether it is that that makes it so difficult for me to differentiate. What planet do you have conjunct your Vertex?
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starcrossedleo
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posted July 14, 2011 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
Thanks Dysfunctional, certainly Moon and Uranus are big players in synastry, as somebody who doesn’t {yet} use the Vertex in my analysis I wouldn’t be surprised to see those points triggered. Also anothers’ planets falling in your 8th can add to sexual attraction. {As far as I’m aware the Vertex has to fall in the 7th or 8th house – something to do with the mathematical formula it is based upon}. Samsoule, yes I understand that feeling. To be honest strong Pluto aspects can create that great intense electricity. Sometimes it burns out, sometimes it’s the substance that keeps the relationship regenerating. Still it’s interesting that you’re the second person to mention Ascendant-Vertex conjunctions… Interesting Starcrossedleo… I would attribute the Nodal contact there as a definite link of course. Do you have Venus-Uranus and/or Venus-Pluto contacts too? I take it the Leo and Scorpio planets are out of orb of square? Venus-Neptune has it’s own very powerful allure…. Dawnlies – that’s amazing synastry with your friend, what a lovely story. You know somebody’s meant to be in your life when the feeling is so powerful like that!! Again, way too much between your charts for me to attribute it to the Vertex. Interesting Lonake but I still question the validity of most of the astrological write ups I read on the internet. My Vertex is within a degree from my Mars, also my Descendant ruler and both in the 7th House. Obviously I am drawn to men whose charts aspect my Mars and 7th House ruler. I’ve wondered whether it is that that makes it so difficult for me to differentiate. What planet do you have conjunct your Vertex?
His Uranus 0 Virgo is conjunct my Venus 27 Leo/Sun 29 Leo (also Uranus 5 Virgo ) conjunction. Since those planets are on my Leo/Virgo Cusp and his Scorpio planets are in the early degrees of Scorpio it is out of orb for a square. We also dont have any Venus Pluto Aspects. His Pluto is 9 deg Virgo and too far from my Venus. IP: Logged |
waxlobster
Knowflake Posts: 29
From: Birmingham
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted July 15, 2011 06:02 AM
Uranus conjunct Sun-Venus is very exciting but can have a bit of an off/on effect also. I suppose you need really good Moon and Saturn aspects to give the more stable dimension to the connection also.I have a Venus-Uranus square natally and had an on/off style attraction with a guy for years who was born a couple of weeks apart so I can empathise with the nature of it. In our case the friendship was/is the key and the attraction something which is inconsistent. Sometimes the way things work out between two people is just perfect as it is, despite it seeming to the contrary when other needs appear important... IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 15, 2011 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by waxlobster:
My Vertex is within a degree from my Mars, also my Descendant ruler and both in the 7th House. Obviously I am drawn to men whose charts aspect my Mars and 7th House ruler. I’ve wondered whether it is that that makes it so difficult for me to differentiate.What planet do you have conjunct your Vertex?
Yea, same for me, entirely possible.
It's Uranus, they're conj in the 5th.
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