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hippichick
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posted July 12, 2011 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope this copies,

I would love to have you excellent astrologers look at this chart of a young lady, who has alot of issues...

I am particullary interested in the origins of her anger, substance abuse and lack of drive and ambition.

Thanks in advance!

t~~~


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posted July 12, 2011 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shoot, I meant young lady's
chart!

Aqua Mercurial mind gets way ahead of me at times, (ie type too fast. lol!)

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posted July 12, 2011 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lack of drive plus substance abuse made me think of Mars/Neptune in a suboptimal manifestation, et voila - she has Mars/Neptune conjunction in 7th house. Mars rules the 10th house - is the relationship to one of her parents "unclear"?
Neptune rules the MC itself, and is conjunct Mars, so that unclear, vague parental relationship may also be infused with a lot of anger and at the same time attempting to numb that anger, suppress it. But like a pressure cooker, it is cooking up again and again - especially with the Mars-Neptune conjunction in 7th house.
Either she expresses this anger herself, or she may also become "victimised" and see the aggressions only coming from the outside, because the world is so "nasty to me" and "they are all out to get me".

or maybe I have it all wrong here.

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posted July 12, 2011 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceridwen

I think you are very on..

Funny when I drew up chart 19-some years ago I knew little of astrology but thought that is not a good chart.

Relationship to parents unclear? Both...her dad killed himself when she was 9....and her Pisces mom left to deal with the aftershock (she has a 23 year old sis that is well on her way to a very brillant life...)


She is my daughter.

Born with a severe heart defect, had 3 surgeries, still may need more, but she just doesnt get it and it is waring on me.

Thanks, that was a beautiful reading!

Anybody else, please tell!

Getting desperate!

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posted July 12, 2011 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No planets in Fire,still Pluto can be seen as small compesation(being in Fire house)
As Mars/Neptune hard aspect carrier myself,I can say that we settle to nothing less than we have pre-imagined,to put it like that... Just,if life hasn't element f fantasy about it,as if not worth living(not in the extreme way); Firstly,we may come across as both uninterested and disinterested. We need constant,various stimuli. And,substance abuse is just last resort,when it appears there is no alternative.
Jupiter/Venus people love life. Never doubt that. That is sure way to get throught her,wake her desire and drive by showing to her everything that simple,precious and great about life,via senses- Ocean will do it! Dry talk wouldn't get u far,she is deep person,and in depth u must go.
I see how she can get tired from all that surgeries,and importantly,caged,cuz her body doesn't allow much,but I think u as a parent can find bright spot she can strive to; Is there sth she adores,some wild yet safe passion ? She is also Sun/Moon conj,she steps forth with serenity and quiet confidence; Saturn/Merc conj often denotes sb intellectual,does she loves books,getting to the bottom of things,technology,or like to make stuff?

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posted July 12, 2011 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Darling .I will get back

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posted July 12, 2011 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I do the charts slowly and ask questions,if that is OK.
I see she is a fire void. That is a very hard void for get up and go. I did not read your first post just jumped in to the chart so did not know what you said.
I imagine part of your struggle is her lack of motivation/drive. Is that the case Darling?

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posted July 12, 2011 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fascinating chart. I do not consider myself good as I do many astrologers on here but I will go step by step and see what I can find.

My goodness.It is a very unusual chart.So manu quincunx's to Jupiter.SUCH heavy emphasis on 2 houses.
Chiron alone in the 2nd .
So many trines.
Well Darling-if I can ask you things step by step that will help

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posted July 12, 2011 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok 2 things so far--the fire void--lack of drive and enthusiasm

Chiron in the 2nd--painful experiences with naterial/worldly things including self esteem

A fire void which inhibits drive. The 2nd house is the attaining of material things.
Her pain is in this area of life.

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posted July 12, 2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NN 9 cap
SN 9 Cancer


She is a warm fuzzy person. Being a go getter person is hard.

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posted July 12, 2011 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NN in the 6th house conj DSC

Her goal is 6th house--service and work of a practical .every day nature
Cap makes it more drive and achivement oriented.
So, the picture gets clearer.

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posted July 12, 2011 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus, yes she sees herself as not worth living, and she does need constand stimuli which drives me insane as I so need alone time...) and I am quite sure her substance abuse is her only (visible) alternative at 19. I have so, so tried to, since she was born, to bring out her bright side, but she always dives to the depths...8th house?

Ami...well

Your Gem is comin thru!!!

Yes she has a lack of self-esteem, but so darn gorgeous, (see FB)

My pain is not so much her lack of luster for life, but her escapism from...but I should understand, being a Pisces sun, Neptune 12th myself and I DO, maybe just hard for me to see myself?

And a Fire void for sure! But, I can see her enthusiam in things of passion (8th again?)

again, thanks and blessings all!!!

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posted July 12, 2011 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami yes, she is so warm and fuzzy, but her Aqua Moon holds her back...and I think her MC in Pisces warrants her drive for service, which she has expressed...she wants to serve the down and under~~~

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posted July 12, 2011 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She has Pluto as a the only water planet. Her emotions are not that accessible to her/ She is prolly shut down emotionally just from your description--I would say this --not the chart per se but the chart shows that water is hard for her to access.
Hence, it is hard for her to cry and release pain.
If one has trauma,one MUST cry,imo,in order to heal from it

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posted July 12, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW she has struck up a "relationship" with a Scorpio...who has alot in Scorpio, and is apartment shopping with a lovely Scorpio young lady

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posted July 12, 2011 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW
Jupiter in the 3rd in Virgo quincunx Aqua Sun -14 deg
Aqua moon--15 deg Aqua
Aqua Saturn 9 deg
Aqua Merc 6 deg

Hmmm In order for her to get her joy,exuberance and delight for life which is Jupiter ,she MUST deal with the Aqua planets .

They have an Aqua energy which thinks big. JUpiter in Virgo has an opposite type energy which thinks very small--details, details

She must take these 2 separate forces and make them a whole NEW thing in order to access her luck and joy of life which Jupiter provides.

I think in a practical way, she must come down from the high Aqua mountains to the practical accountant/bookeeper world of Virgo.

The 6th house NN shows this as well.
The Chiron in the 2nd does too

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posted July 12, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceridwen

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posted July 12, 2011 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She has the Cap Mars 19, Nep 17, Uranus 15 and Venus 11.
Wow--all in the 7th house--house of committed relationships.

Hmmm-- Mars conjunct Neotune would water down the Mars which she does NOT need with the Fire void.
She could use a good fire Mars lol

Venus conj Uranus would make love relationships hard cuz she wants a LOT of variety. She does not like to stay in one relationship too long.Is that true?

This being in the 7th house makes it look like it will be hard for her to find a committed relationship and STAY.
is that true?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted July 12, 2011 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Add Pluto in the 5th and she likes to have fun.However, her fun and romances could have big shake ups. Is that true?
Does she have huge upheavals in the areas of fun,parties and romance.
BTW --I will look at your pic on FB Darling!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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posted July 12, 2011 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just saw the Jupiter trines.
Goodness--this is a blessing.
Jupiter's joy will hit Uranus andVenus . It also trines the NN.
Jupiter will help her get her life path by giving her luck!!!
This is a good placement!

Jupiter trine Venus will make her very loving,exuding love.Does she?

Jupiter trine Uranus will make her quirky in the best sense--her own person, not a cookie cutter person.

Is she these things?

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posted July 12, 2011 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Last is her square==Pluto sq Sun con Moon

It is not a close square so prolly not felt that much.
However,felt some,I think.
She is very perceptive!

Sun conj moon is someone whose ego and heart are VERY closely entwined.
I would think she has little detachment about herself.
Does she jump in to anything feet first?
Does she find it hard to pull back and deal with things from a vantage point of detachment?
I am gonna go look at your pictures now.
Tell me what you think of what I wrote Darling!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted July 13, 2011 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's the lack of fire... personally.

It's definitely not Mars/Neptune on its own. I have too much drive & have this aspect lol

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posted July 13, 2011 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well Randall has lack of fire and look at him .
These things are complex ,my dear

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posted July 13, 2011 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The anger may be the Jupiter quincunx;s. She has the Jupiter trines to help that .However, she has MANY quincunx's.

Jupiter is a planet ruled by a fire sign. She must NEED this Jupiter energy very very much,However, she must have to struggle a great deal to pull this energy out from the quincunx's
That would be my conclusion of her issue.
She has lack of fire--first of all.
That alone would not do this.
I have another friend who is a successful engineer with lack of fire.
A void does not MAKE problems in a linear manner.

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posted July 13, 2011 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My conclusion would what I just said plus the Jupiter quincunx to the Aqua Sun,moon, Saturn and Mercury.
Since Jupiter is in the third house, THIS could be plugging up communication. She may not be able to talk about her pain. Try to get her to talk to someone.
I am sure you have but try to find someone at all with whom she can unburden her soul.

The quincunx takes a LONG time to figure out. You have to try to take 2 VERY different energies and come up with a whole NEW entity.
I am doing it with Scorpio and Gemini.
You have a wonderful new animal when it is done.However,it takes a lot of persistence--a LOT.

Usually one side of the quincunx will be thrown away. This throw away side dogs you constantly.
It seems like her thrown away side is Virgo cuz she is kind of Aqua from what you say.

Her path to wholeness will to be more Virgo like with all that entails.
Does that sound right?


The Sun and moon conjuntion being so close would be a problem in dense energy.By this,I don't mean dense mentally.
I mean--stuck in herself, too much.
Is she this way?

I want to say self centered but that has a bad connotation.
It is NOT that.
It is a big concentration of density of energy when the luminaries(Sun and moon) are so close.

Does she have the feeling like she cannot "get out of herself"
You want to say"Go do something for someone else and you will feel better"
However,she really does not know what you are talking about.

Does any of this fit Darling? How/how not?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
Be as wise as a serpents,gentle as doves.

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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