posted July 16, 2011 10:13 PM            

Sooooo...I was reading about the placements of the planets (domicile, exaltation, etc.) and I'm getting so many opinions about where Neptune and Pluto are exalted.

Also, say Ceres and Chiron obtained placements...where do you think they would be?

posted July 17, 2011 12:32 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
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Also, say Ceres and Chiron obtained placements...where do you think they would be?

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Ceres as the ruler of Virgo and Eris as the ruler of Libra has worked well for me. Part of the reason this works is the fact that Chiron is thought to be a non-native body to our solar system (That and it's traits seem to be more Sagittarian or even Ophiuchian than any other sign IMO). Pluto, Ceres, and Eris are all classified as equal types of "planetoids" or “plutoids” and they are the only 3 in our solar system (if you care horribly about astronomical titles).

Astronomically, awarding Ceres to Virgo results in "inner planet rulership" for all signs on the lower hemisphere of the zodiac. Awarding Eris to Libra awards "Outer planet rulership" to all signs on the upper hemisphere of the zodiac.

Trait-wise Ceres seems very Virgo, as it represents providence/abundance through maintenance. Seasonally, Virgo exists at the moment of year when nature begins to cool and display signs of turning toward winter. In the story of Persephone, Ceres shuts nature down (winter) until her daughter returns safely from the underworld (spring).

posted July 17, 2011 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
To Xiiro:
Hmmm...makes sense. Do you have a website where Eris' position could be calculated?

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This is a fantastic ephemeris! Dont forget to calculate GMT into the time you enter as your birth time.
http://serennu.com/astrology/ephemeris.php

Your Eris should be in Aries (which I have noticed feels like the self is very separated from others and must learn from others how to relate with issues attributed to Eris's natal house).

My Eris is conjunct SN in Aries, 12th House. My parents raised me to be an evangelist (that didn't happen thank God), but growing up, I had two irrational fears that felt like residue from past life experiences.

1. I was afraid I would be singled out and martyred for living a spiritual life.

2. I was afraid of meeting death before changing the world.

I have also always wanted to live on a mountain top away from society and offer energy healing and divination services (which I have always viewed as healing my self through the manifested form of another person) to anyone who came to visit (part of that is my Chiron in the first house, but the "Relating to others by being important AND sequestered away" is totally Eris Aries 12th House). Unfortunately it's always felt like living on the top of a mountain as a healer would be reliving an old pattern (conjunct SN).

My Pluto is in Libra 6th House, conjunct the DSC. Uranus is the only planet found in my 7th house. If Eris is the ruler of Libra, then my 7th house should be attracted to 12th House/Uranus/Pluto type people. Also, because Venus is the sub-ruler of Libra, it's house should (8th House) season my 7th house attractions.

I met the love of my life and best friend when we were both 11 years old and we were together for 14 years (best friends since). His chart was predominantly Pisces/Aquarius/Aries energy. All my past life memories include him and he feels the same about me. We have past life memories of trying out everything from being related to being arch enemies. I referred to him as "My Dark" and he referred to me as his "Light". We were the complete Yin and Yang of each other's personalities and constantly playfully competing. He always tried to spiritually pull me into dark places and because of that, honed my spiritual battle skills. I learned to embrace my light and eventually learned to look past light and become clear (Past-life competitive mirroring Eris/SN). When I first met him, I was very Christian. He introduced me to Occult interests and sexual spirituality (Pluto/8th House), he ended up being schizophrenic and was institutionalized several times due to drugs and being psychologically broken (Uranus/12th House). There is a lot more to it, but the Eris rulership definitely played a part. I have experienced quite a challenge learning not to compare future romantic prospects to the depth I shared with him.

posted July 17, 2011 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
Xiiro, your story is very fascinating, I have Eris in Aries, 12th house, conj my NORTH NODE, can you tell me more about this placement??

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Neat! I assume this would indicate an opposite experience. Familiarity and comfortable habits with being in relationships or with relying on serving others (6th House) to help define the self. I would assume your Eris placement (depending on how tight the conjunction to your NN is) creates an inner urge calling you to turn inward and experience inner solitude. This would be a lifetime for learning to meditate and turn-in instead of looking to others for growth through partnership or physical reflection. Depending on other aspects this could be a hard thing to do, mostly because paying outward attention is just so easy and comfortable.

Eris seems to have the ability to make us feel like something is Very Obviously Wrong within the house it lives (in the Eris, Aries,12th House's case; matters of seclusion, aloneness, turning inward, and dissolution of the self). If Chiron aspects, the “wrongness” could manifest as feeling flawed or handicapped, if Pluto or Mars aspects, it could manifest as a result of abuse, Saturn could make it feel as though the “wrongness” goes against our personal laws, etc... The case is not always negative however. NN could cause you to want alone time, you could feel something is “off” and understand that being alone helps you better reflect on your place in the world. You could also wake up from sleep feeling more self-aware and balanced in your outward interactions.

As a Libra influence, If your 7th house is in Libra, You will desire one on one relationships based on a personal bond, often in secluded environments (your Venus placement will add flavor to this desire). You will also have a strong desire to explore people thoroughly. The Aries influence should always bring relating and relationships back to self-improvement or self-reflection. If Libra rules your 6th House, then you may not feel as though you are truly serving others unless that service requires some kind of sacrifice or selflessness on your part. It would also make service to others a catalyst for personal growth. On the higher end of the spectrum this energy is like a Buddhist monastic who meditates so they can best be of service to others. On the lower end of the spectrum, this could be a person who serves others and then retreats inwardly to entertain thoughts about the day people won't step on them.

Any of that sound right?

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention. It appears that if the Eris energy is ignored, it may wreak havoc on the native via delusion. If left unchecked, Eris will convince the native something is wrong (in the area of it's natal house) and the native will build personal foundations based on that feeling.

If anyone has met a particularly delusional Libra, they have seen this in action. The Libra creates a scenario (often based on what is perceived to be a personal inadequacy) and believes with all their heart that it will come true. They will fight tooth and nail for the delusion to be true and even possibly go to the grave believing it.

Eris does this because she ultimately wants us to wake up and realize the truth. However, not realizing that disharmony and harmony are both part of a holistic understanding of nature/beauty results in severe destruction through avoidance.

posted July 18, 2011 03:16 PM            

i just thought i'd say that cuz you were throwing around ideas about asteroids ruling signs....i dont have anything against it, i just believe what Linda believed