posted July 21, 2011 01:58 AM            

Think saturn would be involved in binding them together as she had the resources to leave him long before 16 years was up?

posted July 21, 2011 05:18 AM            

Her Moon in Gemini here is the Air singleton, it rules her h12 of self undoing, I think it was her lack of objectivity that didn't help matters. With the moon she may have tried to rationalize matters to a degree. I hate to see afflicted h12 rulers, there is always a cross to bear and they all learn their lessons the hard way. It's square to Mars that rules her 9th so she may have had a stake in the relationship to stay such as religious or beliefs such as the old when you marry that is it and whatever happens you need to stay and work it out. Moon sq Mars is really touchy personally, imagining slights where none exist, if they get with the wrong personality as she did they will meet their match and be sorry that they ever saw any slights because the person will make them eat their own words. Mars in Pisces in the 7th is not strong, it symbolizes a misguided personality, one who doubts themselves and continually loses their way when it's aspected harshly like hers. Aries (Mars) Pisces dynamic can be read as liquid courage, in the 7th it could point to the partner's limited feeling of himself as a man and needing that extra push to feel potent. Ike has Mars square Neptune so he nicely played into that dynamic for her. That has to be one of the worst aspects for a man. The h12 ruler moon is opp h1 ruler sun in the 4th, this lady does not want to cause any upsets that will damage her image or break up her home.

H5 ruler Jupiter opp H8 ruler Neptune across the h2/h8 axis speaks to the continual deception she must have met, her faith must have been destroyed time and time again, she must have always wanted to believe, this one here is really VERY SAD. and they're ruling like I said 2 key houses relating to relationships, h5 of going out and having a good time vs. h8 of securing that deep bond. Squares or opps relating to h5 h8 ALWAYS point to this dynamic, how to reconcile fly by night affairs with a need for someone who will stay with you long haul and walk through the darkness with you, someone who won't flinch when things get hard. Then of course the opp is pointing to her Venus in the 5th in Sadge that is always hopeful for that great love, Venus in Sadge in the 5th is incredibly romantic and very high ideals. The Venus Jup Neptune t-square. Idealism, deception, young foolish love, I hate to see Venus sq Neptune for a woman, lowers their worth to the point that they seek to find themselves in others, can't see their desirability so they are prime pickings for some evil men. She has Venus trine Saturn for sticking it out over the long haul.

I didn't see tob for him but there are a few factors that point to a man who believed in his own myth and would not be satisfied with a mundane life,
-mars sq neptune
-merc sq jupiter
-sun sq jupiter

Saturn opp Pluto can be incredibly controlling, Pluto being the dispositor of the 3 personal planet Scorpio placements so that is noteworthy.
He lacks Air in the chart just like Tina so they're not by nature the most rational beings. The worst natal combo for a chart lacking in Air are charts strong in Water and Fire.

posted July 21, 2011 05:24 AM            

The most noteworthy thing right now to me about their synstry is his Mars sq Neptune feeding into her horrid Sun/Merc/Moon/Mars t-square.

Noteworthy for the grand cross, Venus/Saturn/Jupiter/Neptune that mirrors her natal tsquare of Venus/Jupiter/Neptune

There's A LOT of synastry here from composite to Tina's natal
-c.jupiter conj her n.moon, so she was definitely enlivened here and given a new hope
-c.saturn sq her n.moon, but afterwards sets in a feeling of being tied down and made to feel depressed and hopeless
-c.saturn conj her n.mars, impeded in life, she was the more successful partner and likely felt weighed down by the relationship, she definitely saw this as a controlling partnership
-c.mercury sq her n.mars, this just reiterates her natal tendency to disagreeableness and speaking out of turn with no thought to what is coming out of her mouth, with this one it's the mercury triggering her mars so she's just irritable here with this guy full-stop.
-c.venus opp her n.moon, she felt comforted by her bond with him and that he settled her down somehow in a way that she liked, she had adopted his 2 kids from his 1st marriage, this is an aspect of devotion and comfort, a great family type feeling
-c.saturn opp her n.sun, she obviously felt oppressed here
-c.merc conj her n.sun, she felt open to talk here and let her mind be known, this could actually encourage her mouth and we know what her sun is involved in natally, this was prob not a good aspect for her re the abuse but it would not normally be like this in other comparisons
-c.venus conj her n.merc, she loves the ideas generated here, apparently he's the one who gave her the stage name of tina turner and at the divorce proceedings she was adamant about keeping her new name
-c.saturn opp n.merc, not hard saturn again..she just meets blockages every time she wants to get her msg out while with him, the prob with this opp is that she doesn't know her words are off the mark and won't be well received until it's too late

posted July 21, 2011 03:56 PM            

Chiron is a BEAR!!! When I even see it now, I run in the opposite direction lol

posted July 22, 2011 01:58 AM            

Got a feeling neptune is at it again!!Progressed neptune in 5th (they are a couple = romances) and neptune trine venus progressed (my venus is also heavily afflicted at the moment = square saturn, opp pluto and opp mars) so maybe it is that.

posted July 22, 2011 02:14 AM            

I liked your interpretation of composite to natal. I see you donīt focus only on conjunctions, but also occasionally consider other aspects from composite to natal?

I haven`t yet delved into that technique, but find it most fascinating. the experience of a relationship will be coloured through each person`s perception of it, or how they are affected. It makes much sense to me.

I once looked at a composite with a colleague of mine, and there was an exact Sun/Venus-conjunction, and sure enough there is liking and admiration and sympathy between the two of us, but for some reason I always felt like needing to "put on the brakes" and it seems that he most of the times is more positively turned to me than the other way round.
Fittingly the composite Sun/Venus-conjunction falls into my 2nd house (surely increases a feeling of worthiness or being valued in me), but it also exactly opposes my Saturn in 8th house (ruler of 2nd house).

I really start to understand the dynamic when I see this. Not the composite aspect alone, but how it affects MY chart.

posted July 22, 2011 04:51 AM            

Yeah the main focus for me with that tends to be major aspects to personal planets both in natal and composite, with prime focus on the hard aspects, the closer the better, but if there's for example a strong conjunction in the composite trining or 'helping out' someone's natally stressed planet that could help them, so you're right, it's all about going back to the natal. I look also to planets falling on angles in the natal, and also which houses are activated strongly. If the composite Sun or Moon is conj someone's Sun/Moon mp that's a pretty big deal, just the same as someone's progressed Sun/Moon/Venus etc conj your n.Sun/Moon mp, there's a feeling of simpatico there, the only difference with the progression is that planets progress, so that could be a fleeting feeling.

posted July 22, 2011 02:45 PM            

"If the composite Sun or Moon is conj someone's Sun/Moon mp that's a pretty big deal"
Funny you mention this.
I once met someone, and C-Sun was conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp (my Sun and mercury were conjunct this as well), while C-Moon was conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp.
The night we met TR Juno was exactly conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp and composite Sun,
and Tr Jupiter was exactly conjnct my Sun/Moon-mp and composite Moon.
Funnily, in the Davison D-Sun was opposing his Sun/Moon-mp while D-Moon was opposing my Sun/moon-mp.

"he energy imo is there right away, we react to it as it is an interplay. "
Yes, I thought so, too. Never really bought that "the composite is only valid after exchanging the marriage vow".

"So what looks like 'Sun in Virgo square Venus in Sagittarius' "
That`s a good point! I didn`t think about that, but of course, certain synastric aspects might be pronounced this way.

Relating that to the example of this colleague and me, the composite Sun/Venus-conjunction is not only opposite my natal Saturn, but it is also trine his natal Mars (and likely squaring his Moon/Chiron-conjunction. ouch).

Anyway of course this means, that synastrically we have a Mars-Saturn-sextile, which seems very fitting for coworkers.
But I guess the fact that the composite Sun/Venus-conjunction trines his Mars might mean that he is more relaxed and positive about this particular energy generated between the two of us.
Well at least his Martian side. His lunar side might actually feel put off or hurt. Of course it means that my Saturn squares his Moon and Chiron, which sounds difficult of course.
And in a way, this composite Sun/Venus-conjunction seems to be like a laserbeam, focusing onto these two synastry aspects (my Saturn sextile his Mars and square his Moon). Would you agree?

posted July 22, 2011 07:06 PM            

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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
I really want a positive father/male figure in my life.

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posted July 22, 2011 07:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And in a way, this composite Sun/Venus-conjunction seems to be like a laserbeam, focusing onto these two synastry aspects (my Saturn sextile his Mars and square his Moon). Would you agree?

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posted July 23, 2011 03:43 AM            

"What it could be is the Moon square the conj could increase his sensitivity to the relationship, and keen to not cause upset."
Well, he pays me a great deal of attention, even though in a very subtle way. Well, not so subtle, or I wouldnīt have noticed.

He also is married with little children, so it would be more than inappropriate. But still he seems to always be aware of me; when he is somewhere nearby i feel like all of a sudden I am in the centre of the room. Which I am not used to.
he very often is just being in my proximity, even if he doesn`t have anything to do there, and casually touching me (in very appropriate ways; I guess I just notice, because I usually keep my physical distance, and even hugging friends was a learning process for me, though I improved my "social skills" this way.)

But as I said, he`s not "hitting on me" or something like that, he`s just giving me this kind of positive attention (and sometimes the puppy dog eyes, when I am distancing myself).

" So for example if you distance yourself it's unlikely he's gonna go crazy and retaliate unless for example he'd have natal mars/uranus scorp conj on the asc opposing that, you get what I mean?"
No, I donīt think he`s the type. He`s got Sun in Aquarius, Mars in Taurus. Moon is in Aries though.
Actually maybe I donīt know for sure. He doesnīt SEEM like someone who would hold a grudge, but when do you really know anyone ever? And especially a coworker?
Interestingly he almost shares the same birthday with Christian Bale. Just one day off.

And another (female) coworker of mine was complaining to me about not being able to get along with him at all, for all his unbearable arrogance.
*shrugs* I don`t know. Either he never was arrogant towards me or I just failed to notice. LOL
That happens sometimes. People point out a negative behaviour of other people to me, and I am like:"Hu? If you see it like this, you might be right, but honestly I never really noticed."

I guess I just tend to give people the benefit of doubt, and most of all try to not take myself so very seriously. It helps keeping things in perspective, at least most of the time.