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Topic: Angry Planets?
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RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 102 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 04:55 AM
It seems when Mars, Saturn or Pluto have hard aspects, a deal of rage and frustration is brought into the mix. Even more so if these three have hard aspects with one another. Mars square Saturn is one that has some level on infamy to it for being particularly hard and wrathful.So, are these planets "angry" or can any planet bring fury to a personality? Is it possible that it's just hard aspects? IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 225 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 04:59 AM
The angriest person I know has Mars as a singleton in Libra in his chart. It is his only planet in air and it is not aspected by any of the other planets. He is very verbally abusive (especially to his partner), but also to other people close to him and he always thinks that the world is against him in some way. IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 102 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 05:01 AM
I once read that having Mars, Saturn or Pluto without aspects is very unfavourable as their raw energies are untamed, therefore possibly hard to handle.It would make sense, I suppose, as Mars is aggressive and is the "warrior" planet. IP: Logged |
Taineberry Knowflake Posts: 225 From: Registered: Jun 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 05:31 AM
Also - the person I just mentioned - he has a stellium Sun/Pluto(exact cpnjunction - volcanic!!!!) and Uranus. Plus moon (in Aries) at the apex of a T-square to Saturn and Venus.IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 05:42 AM
The not healthy man WHO killed all the children in Oslo who have sun conj mars in square to uranus. He also have pluto in trine to sun conj mars. Sun conj mars in sextile to his nept. His nessus in two kites in his chart. Nessus have no parallel or contra parallel. The kite include nessus sextile saturn. Nessus trine ixion conj quaocpr. Nessus trine juno . The other one kite include nessus opp Venus. His moon was in virgo like his n.n.IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 102 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 05:54 AM
My friend has a grand fixed cross involving Mars, Saturn, Pluto and her Moon.She is a very focused person, stressed and smoldering. You can just feel the power when you're in her presence, especially if you're doing business with her. She's usually on her own ventures without much time for friends and family anymore. When she's angry, which is like landmines, you can really just feel the power she has. It's almost too much for her. I really am scared to be around her when she's angry...violence isn't beyond her, I'm sure! IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 06:08 AM
I think its importent to be careful and not judge to much about astrology chart. The best chart doesnt always show there is an sick person behind.IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 851 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted July 26, 2011 06:30 AM
i have all those in the first house in scorpio. i guess like most born near me. though maybe not in the first. mars conjuncts saturn, pluto conjuncts the ascendant. IP: Logged |
AscTaurus Knowflake Posts: 196 From: Pretoria, Gauteng,South Africa Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 07:40 AM
I think you may be missing out on Moon-Mars hard aspects.I have this aspect on my chart and very close. I do have anger issues and losing my cool, even with the Mars in Libra. Moon-Pluto, Moon-Saturn harsh aspects could mean repressed emotion (which in the long run could be quite explosive.) The houses also factor in: Mars in 12th could indicate anger that is not expressed openly. Saturn also there could indicate deep suffering/ resentment, especially in Scorpio,Pisces and Capricorn, that is not expressed easily- until it is too late. Neptune /Mars harsh aspects in 12th brings vivid, and often violent, dreams that want to be acted out in reality. I think this above aspect is particularly relevant in a lot of high school shootings: Often the anger(Mars) is supressed for a long time(12th), that eventually upon its expression(Mars) it is often misdirected(Neptune) that other people, who have nothing to do with it, get hurt. So I'd say Moon, Saturn, Pluto and Neptune harsh apsects together with 12th(in secret), 7th(opposition), 6th(planning +execution) involved is potent! IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve Knowflake Posts: 599 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted July 26, 2011 07:49 AM
I have a T-square involving those. Mars conjunct Pluto square Saturn, AND square the Moon. Uhm, let's say life hasn't been easy. I can get super emotional (especially for a Virgo Moon) and get frustrated/angry very easily.When I was younger I had outbursts of rage that I just couldn't control, so I used to cut myself. This is for me, the perfect example of the energy of Mars-Pluto being squared by Saturn, and especially with the Moon there, it adds volatility to the mix. Emotions were, and still are, hard to control, and I often have to act on them in some way, verbally or physically. Now it's not the same though, I feel as I get older Saturn represses the energy quite a lot, and when there are negative emotions they just end up repressed/bottled up inside. There is much frustration with Saturn/Mars contacts, definitely. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 17322 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 26, 2011 08:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by popcorn: The not healthy man WHO killed all the children in Oslo have sun conj mars in square to uranus. He also have pluto in trine to sun conj mars. Sun conj mars in sextile to his nept. His nessus in two kites in his chart. Nessus have no parallel or contra parallel. The kite include nessus sextile saturn. Nessus trine ixion conj quaocpr. Nessus trine juno . The other one kite include nessus opp Venus. His moon was in virgo like his n.n.
If you care to could you explain the Kite Popcorn? Thank you Amiga IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 17322 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 26, 2011 08:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by popcorn: I think its importent to be careful and not judge to much about astrology chart. The best chart doesnt always show there is an sick person behind.
True I am finding strange things as I do a lot of charts.The person with the hardest chart can be the dearest most sensitive person.The person with the easiest chart can be a shallow jerk lol You cannot know what the person will make of his chart is the conclusion to which I am coming. Great point Popcorn! IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 09:29 AM
The kite includes fourths planets, asteroids and so on. Kite has an grandtrine and one of this planet opp one another which be in sextile to the other two . The picture looks like a kite. The kite is more dynamic than an grandtrine because the opp. This is an useful combination of tense through harmonious aspect. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 09:29 AM
The kite includes fourths planets, asteroids and so on. Kite has an grandtrine and one of this planet opp one another which be in sextile to the other two . The picture looks like a kite. The kite is more dynamic than an grandtrine because the opp. This is an useful combination of tense through harmonious aspect. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 2741 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted July 26, 2011 09:49 AM
I have Mars (in the Aries) as the focal point as a T-Square involving Saturn/Uranus and Chiron. All I have to say is if you don't cross me, and I won't bother you. Otherwise, stay on your side of La Calle and I'll stay on mine. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 2312 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 27, 2011 07:42 AM
B.moon. You describe the good side of anger. This is the best people could use hard aspect in à chart to protect their self and other people. I m the same. Ive an t-square moon, merk,uran,Pluto ,saturn. I have not any problem to say stop at stupid people and people who want hurt other people, children and animals. This wake up my anger. Who say anger always is bad?IP: Logged |
sassaqua Knowflake Posts: 322 From: Australia Registered: May 2011
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posted July 27, 2011 11:50 PM
My ex has:Mars opposite saturn, these two planets square his (virgo) moon. A Tsquare. His mars widely (9') conjuncts his mars. Now, my mars conjuncts HIS mars (thus also conjunct his neptune, widely) A horrible, vicious turn of events, sadly. All on his part absolutely! The projections where out of this world, and there was no way of getting sense to him, he was just so hostile. Obviously, I came along and triggered his tsquare. Horrible, horrible man (but of course, I loved and adored him - my venus conjuncting his But again, his venus was inconjunct his saturn, and square his damn Pluto!! It was simply impossible) Someone made a point above how mars conjuncting Neptune can trigger violent dreams. WELL! I had - several times - kind of waking dreams or visions rather, that he had strangled a woman and murdered her. Later, it occured to me that it was ME that he strangled and killed. Really certain feeling associated with it too, like watching a tv scene or something, but more etheric. Further, one weekend, we went camping and, while I was preparing for the trip, I had a strong feeling(no visions) that he was plotting to murder me in the bush! This was a first for me with such a situation. Very, very eery and surreal. And, in the end, reeally tragic. But maybe not as tragic as it could have been! *I have many questions around this synasty with him, and would like to analyse it more. I will start a new thread on it sometime, if anyone can help me to understand by offering their thoughts, it would be very helpful. I still have some healing to do. xx IP: Logged |
JohnFKennedy Knowflake Posts: 380 From: US Registered: Aug 2009
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posted July 28, 2011 12:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by RedScorp: My friend has a grand fixed cross involving Mars, Saturn, Pluto and her Moon.She is a very focused person, stressed and smoldering. You can just feel the power when you're in her presence, especially if you're doing business with her. She's usually on her own ventures without much time for friends and family anymore. When she's angry, which is like landmines, you can really just feel the power she has. It's almost too much for her. I really am scared to be around her when she's angry...violence isn't beyond her, I'm sure!
That's really interesting. I have a grand trine between Mars/Pluto/Jupiter and another with the Sun/Saturn/ASC (some people don't count that) and what you described about your friend is what a lot of people told me after getting to know me and realizing that I'm actually a softy deep down, haha IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 1498 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 28, 2011 12:57 AM
Oops.. Wrong thread IP: Logged |
AstrologicalMan Knowflake Posts: 435 From: Brickenton Registered: Jun 2011
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posted July 28, 2011 01:01 AM
Betty Boop you are so incredibly awesome!You really don't understand how much I dig you. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 2741 From: Avendesora Registered: May 2009
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posted July 28, 2011 10:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by popcorn: B.moon. You describe the good side of anger. This is the best people could use hard aspect in à chart to protect their self and other people. I m the same. Ive an t-square moon, merk,uran,Pluto ,saturn. I have not any problem to say stop at stupid people and people who want hurt other people, children and animals. This wake up my anger. Who say anger always is bad?
Yes, same here. If people are being stupid or erroneous, I have no problem calling them out. I think anger is only bad when it is misplaced...why would you want to infect unsuspecting people's lives that way? Its absolutely poisonous. And for the record: I HATE sadists with a passion. Its sick to me what people can get out of that yet my T-Square is supposedly a marker for that type of sh#t.
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MyLibraWorld Knowflake Posts: 35 From: Registered: Apr 2011
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posted August 05, 2011 02:53 PM
I knew two people with their mars aspecting both Saturn and Pluto. I've never had a fight with them cuz they were cool with me, but they were extremely manipulative and abusive. Ego maniacs too so if they don't get their way they get angry and ****** . I think mars Saturn and Pluto in aspect to each other makes some self centered, extremely self centered. I never saw the two people blow up, they always seem to be in extreme control of whateve situation they are in and they didn't mind helping me. Just self centered and self controlled., Now a moon and Pluto aspect, **** I've seen them explode I think that would be a more rage oriented aspect b/c of how much they repress
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sunkissedqt Knowflake Posts: 36 From: new york, USA Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 07, 2011 03:48 PM
I have Mars opposite Saturn, uranus, and neptune. I heard this is a very difficult aspect. Thoughts?However, my mars trines my pluto and my saturn and neptune sextile pluto. IP: Logged |
AscTaurus Knowflake Posts: 196 From: Pretoria, Gauteng,South Africa Registered: May 2009
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posted August 08, 2011 10:56 AM
I think it also depends on the signs that these planets occupy.Water signs and earth signs tend to remember past hurts and don't move on. Fire and air signs tend to let the chips fall where they may and forget about it I think, for instance, that Fixed signs(Taurus, Scorpio, Leo and Aquarius) tend to bottle anger up and then explode, brooding for a great deal of time before coming back to normal.Especially Taurus/Scorpio Mutable signs(Sagittarius, Virgo, Gemini and Pisces) tend to get argumentative. Expressing anger at that time and then not reflecting. Esp Sagittarius/Gemini Cardinal signs(Cancer , Aries , Libra and Capricorn) tend to be quite touchy. They can explode and take quite a while to calm down eg Cancer/Capricorn. Capricorn and Libra(especially) tend to be exacting and fault-finding. Cancer tends to remember, while with Aries, when it's over and done, its gone. So, for instance, if your Mars is in Scorpio and Saturn is in Leo, you may brood for a long time and take a while to explode.
But if your Saturn is in Pisces and your Mars in in Cancer. You sort of absorb a lot of detail, building it up inside you and rarely communicating it, except maybe subtly with mood swings and "silent treatments". Eventually, when you do explode, a lot of that pent up emotion becomes expressed(in times very excessively) through suprising force/agression. The waterr just means that you'll end up feeling very bad about it and will probably play it over and over in your heda(especially when Mercury forms aspects with a watery Mars/Saturn or Mercury,itself, is in a water sign). IP: Logged |