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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Milky
If you want to explore your chart with your twin, re post it.
This is my 1st twins charts.We can learn together if you want

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It doesn't happen all at once.You become.It takes a long time.That's why it doesn't happen often to people who break easily,or have sharp edges,or who have to be carefully kept.
Generally,by the time you are Real most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby.
But these things don't matter at all,because once you are Real you can't be ugly ,except to people who don't understand.
The Velveteen Rabbit

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is a fascinating phenomena how 2 people can have such a close chart and be so very different. I wonder why.
The house rulers may be different.
I am thinking that is the only thing that changes but I am not sure.

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It doesn't happen all at once.You become.It takes a long time.That's why it doesn't happen often to people who break easily,or have sharp edges,or who have to be carefully kept.
Generally,by the time you are Real most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby.
But these things don't matter at all,because once you are Real you can't be ugly ,except to people who don't understand.
The Velveteen Rabbit

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 27, 2011 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, houserulers may often play a role.

But once I was immersing myself into the Duads/ Dwads, investigating Diandra`s and her twin`s chart. Not only their Duad chart was pretty different, but it illuminated their actual difference quite clearly. I am going to look for this thread.


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found it:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/204250.html

(I first saw this done on Alice Portman`s site)

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool Ceri
Thanks for jumping in!

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes,if anyone has twin info,please jump in

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posted July 27, 2011 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find twin`s study very interesting in astrology.
I`m curious if these Duad-charts are generally signficant in pointing out differences between twins, or if it was just a coincidence.

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posted July 27, 2011 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not know what Duads are.With twins, I am figuring one must go to a more esoteric Astrology.
It must be like higher octaves in music.
There must be a way to explain the BIG differences in twins.
I know one set of twins.They are very,very different.Personality wise, extremely so.
I grew up with a set of identical twins.It was the same with them.
There must be a higher "harmonic" thing going on if one could say it like that.

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posted July 27, 2011 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not know what Duads are.With twins, I am figuring one must go to a more esoteric Astrology.
It must be like higher octaves in music.
There must be a way to explain the BIG differences in twins.
I know one set of twins.They are very,very different.Personality wise, extremely so.
I grew up with a set of identical twins.It was the same with them.
There must be a higher "harmonic" thing going on if one could say it like that.

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posted July 27, 2011 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Duads are a further intersection of the chart, a layer beneath I guess.

Example:
Sagittarius:
00°00 - 2°30 Sagittarius Duad
2°30 - 5°00 Capricorn Duad
5°00 - 7°30 Aquarius Duad
and so forth

Aries would begin with Aries, Taurus with Taurus and so forth.

If you want to calculate the Duad of a certain planetary placement you first have to check in which sign it is. You check the Duad sign and see how many minutes the planet is into that particular Duad sign and divide it through 5, that is the exact position of your Duad position of that planet.

Example:
Sun: 25°55 Sagittarius

For Sagittarius the degrees 25°00 - 27°30 are in the LIBRA Duad.
25°55 is exactly 55 minutes from the beginning of that Duad, so I divide these 55 minutes through 5, which results into 11.
That is the exact placement of the Duad Sun. 11 Libra.

That is how it is done, and after that you check for the planets in houses, aspects as well as where the Duad planets conjunct the normal natal chart (according to Alice Portman).

Another possibility might be in checking the harmonic charts maybe.
The 9th harmonic chart is being used in Vedic astrology as NAVAMSA, and is said to be a chart of the soul Ithink.
But to apply these two techniques the birthtime has to be very accurate.

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posted July 27, 2011 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ceri
I am not gonna undertake Duads now .However,I think SOMETHING must explain the huge differences between twins.
Most are as different as day and night.
What if the house rulers are the same, the ASC is the same.Then what?
There must be something tangible to explain the huge differences.
Maybe it is the Duads.They are too much for me to do right now but thank you for explaining them Ceri!

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posted July 27, 2011 10:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sassaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami, Hi Ceri,

I'll pipe up here with my thoughts

I have thought a little bit about the twin thing over the years, and I may be way off, but, this is my logic on the subjest so far. I offer my postulations here for consideration.

On this subject so far, it is my understanding that, the soul, or personal identity, has a drive to differentiate from it's environment. In the journey of knowing oneself as an individual, a person needs to assert him/her self in ways that are in difference to other people(or the environment in general). This is called individuating. One cannot know oneself as an individual if one simply blends into an environment. Therefore, it is my postulation that, in the twin situation, each twin will play out, or "own" different ends of the polarity of a characteristic (or different parts of a characteristic), that they obviously both possess, in order to differentiate themselves from eachother. It's the theory of relativity: We only know ourselves, and others only know who we are, in relation to those things that we are not.

This same things happens with siblings too, and even close friends. Or even, two people who are close, spending a lot of time together, who are the same suns sign.

Just a hairbrain idea, do with it what you will

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posted July 27, 2011 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant point Sass
I was kind of thinking that from the twins I know.
Sass please check out my thread on the unaspected Venus
Please give me your opinion whenever you can.I need an outside point of view
Thank you Darling

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posted July 27, 2011 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant point Sass
I was kind of thinking that from the twins I know.
Sass please check out my thread on the unaspected Venus
Please give me your opinion whenever you can.I need an outside point of view
Thank you Darling

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posted July 27, 2011 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not a personal reading.

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posted July 27, 2011 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I moved the original thread because it was not a personal reading. The replies were generally about twins and very helpful for other people to learn. In a busy forum like Astro 2 more people stand to learn more about astrology.

What is your problem? All I am doing is trying to help and keep this forum uncluttered and to the point. Personal readings exist for more individualized readings. You opened a topic on twins in astrology. I believe that more people can benefit from this knowledge. So again I ask what is your problem? It's not a personal attack, so stop taking it as one.

Ceridwen- thank you for the link. Does it explain what the Duads/Dwads are? Does this apply to fraternal and identical twins?

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posted July 27, 2011 11:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Little cloud,

sorry, I didnīt mean to lead this too far from the topic, but I think in astro it has a good place.

Yes, the links within that link explain what Duads are, how they are calculated etc.

Here is a link: http://aliceportman.com/?cat=5

And yes I think she is referring to identical twins.

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posted July 27, 2011 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While both twins have the same natal chart, to separate them, you look at the 1st born as house 1, and the next born as house 3 - the sibling of the 1st person born. That is what I meant by me being Gemini rising, Ami. I'm the third one born, so I take the 5th house.

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posted July 27, 2011 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No worries!

hmmm...then I wonder if it changes depending on the type of twins and now I wonder in Coffee's case (there's 3 of you? fraternal or identical?) if it differs again...

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posted July 27, 2011 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sass I 'like' your comment.

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posted July 27, 2011 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Non-identical

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posted July 27, 2011 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so does what you say apply to both identical and non? I'm guessing it does so to all multiple births as well..

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posted July 27, 2011 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the same.

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Ami Anne
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posted July 27, 2011 04:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
While both twins have the same natal chart, to separate them, you look at the 1st born as house 1, and the next born as house 3 - the sibling of the 1st person born. That is what I meant by me being Gemini rising, Ami. I'm the third one born, so I take the 5th house.

Do you mean you are a triplet Coffee?

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posted July 27, 2011 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I have a lull in my work in Personal Readings,I will post the charts of the twins I know

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