posted July 28, 2011 06:28 AM            

I know from a few natals that the trine can be given a larger orb for the Sun, so maybe opp works the same. What have you found?

posted July 28, 2011 06:38 AM            

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Planets make aspects. Aspects are specific distances with other planets or angles in the chart. The major aspects are conjunction 0d) sextile (60d), square (90d) trine (120d) and opposition (180d). An aspect needs not to be exactly the mentioned distance. There is an orb. I use a 5 degree orb (with exceptions). A calling planet doesn't make such an aspect within orb or sign.

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posted July 28, 2011 06:39 AM            

I guess you are getting as many answers to this one as there are astrologers.

My reasoning is rather simple. I was checking for the fullmoons and new moons

(especially at times of ecclipses, because these are astronomically defined; conjunction or opposition of Sun and Moon, and yes I know, the nodes play a role as well, but as soon as the Moon has moved out of the timeframe, it does not matter how close the nodes are, the ecclipse will be over).

Anyway, converting this time to orbs, I was getting a 6 degree orb applying and separating. And that is my guideline.

posted July 28, 2011 07:51 AM            

see? You`ve already had your answer in you.

on a personal note, the "it works for me" reasoning is not for me. *shrugs*
But I guess that is just one of the many crossroads where people may favour a different direction.

posted July 28, 2011 08:06 AM            

You asked about the opposition, I gave my reply. For me it would work well if the orbs were up to 8 rather than 9 or 10; however the descriptions read true from the reports generated by these sites for orb of 9+ degrees.

Now you ask about the sextile, for me that is what the experts allow and the orbs set by astro.com or clairvision.

posted July 28, 2011 11:23 PM            

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Originally posted by DayandNight21:
Hi Lonake,

You asked about the opposition, I gave my reply.

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posted July 28, 2011 11:25 PM            

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posted July 29, 2011 03:55 AM            

I disagree. It is not enough to have the Sun 15 degrees off the Nodes to make an ecclipse. There has to be Moon in opposition / conjunction with the Sun as well, and that orb is 6 degrees.
As soon as Moon moves more than 6 degrees from the Sun, the ecclipse is over, no matter if Sun might be still within 15 degrees of the nodes.

posted July 29, 2011 01:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Coffee,

I disagree. It is not enough to have the Sun 15 degrees off the Nodes to make an ecclipse.

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It is and also very recently on June 1st. This is when the Sun and Moon were together, as they normally are in an eclipse.

posted July 29, 2011 02:21 PM            

(actually the 6 degree orb relate to the approximate duration of a normal full - or newmoon; the duration of an eclipse is much shorter and also has a much more narrow orb).

Also, if it were enough to have Sun about 15 degrees off the nodes to make an eclipse,
why didnīt we have one on 7th june for example?

NN was on 23 Sagittarius
Sun on 15 Gemini
(so clearly within 15 degree orb)

But there was no ecclipse that day.
Reason is: Moon was nowwhere near the Sun (actually it was in the mid of Leo that day).

Two conditions need to be met for an eclipse to occur:
1. There must be a full- or new moon, so an opposition or conjunction of Moon and Sun
2. the Nodes must be within 15 degrees range of Moon and Sun

If one of these conditions change, it marks the end of the eclipse.

Since Moon moves much more quickly than both Sun or Nodes, it is the Moon that will leave the aspect first and therefore marking the ending of the eclipse.

There are many more times in a year, when the other condition (nodes in 15 degree orb to Sun) will be met, but they will not result in an eclipse unless the Moon is in aspect with Sun as well.

From that it follows that the Moon is the "timer" (simply because it is the quickest object).

posted July 31, 2011 07:11 AM            

on the questions of orbs, speaking completely "unastronomically":

I think that orbs are not absolute, don`t work like a switch you can turn on and the whole is illuminated, and switch off and everything goes pitch-black dark.

They operate in phases, increasing in light until exactness and then slowly fading away until you can`t see anything anymore. Exact orbs or t hose close to exactness may be the most obvious, the brightest, and thus having the most attention, but wider orbs may be in effect still.

Just if you have other more exact aspects, they may "trump" those wider aspects.

But of course other things may modify that as well. For example if a third planet "bridges" the aspect. Or if there aren`t any closer orbs to that planet.
If the progressed aspects emphasize a natal aspect at a given time.

Anyway, the theory of orbs, that are operating in phases, opens the door to fantasy as well, or rather to project into an aspect what we want to see in there.
Also if we put too much emphasis on a 11 degree sextile between Sun and Neptune, and ignore the 2 degree conjunction between Moon and Saturn, our interpretation may start to become lopsided, as we do not have our priorities straight.

If we on the other hand manage to synthesize the Moon-Saturn-conjunction with the wider Sun-Neptune-sextile, knowing that the Moon-Saturn will ALWAYS Be triggered by strong transits intensely, while the Sun-Neptune-sextile might not be, or if we manage to differentiate between a wide Sun-Neptune sextile in a chart where Sun is in Scorpio and Neptune is in Virgo as opposed to one where Sun is in Pisces and Neptune is in Capricorn in 5th house, then I do not see any kind of problem in using wider orbs.

In the second case the Sun-Neptune-theme will be much stronger, as the Sun in Pisces and Neptune in 5th house already points to a Sun-Neptune-theme, while in the other chart it might not be felt at all.

The thing is we cannot see aspects or orbs as absolute and isolated, it has to be integrated in the whole horoscope.

That is where it starts getting interesting (though not easy).