posted August 10, 2011 11:18 PM            

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The dark side of the Moon/Venus aspect goes all the way back to Mount Olympus, where the divided Feminine began quarrelling with itself. Competition between Hera, queen of heaven, and sex goddess Aphrodite sparked not only the Trojan War, but an unconscious friction between nurture and sex, or the security of relationships and their lusty pleasure. We can understand a mother's horror at her daughter's early sexual awakening, but the reaction may inspire a child to turn against herself, feeling guilty for sexual feelings or learning to compromise desire for safe commitments. Many with this aspect battle against their bodies: "It's not perfect," "It's disgusting," or "It reminds me of my mother's." They tell stories of feeling criticized by their mother or embarrassed by their mother's own flirtatiousness. They are on the front lines of what is a larger cultural dilemma, where the divided feminine flares as eating disorders, the inability of women to share power with other women, or men confusing wives with mothers who they must sneak out on with their mistresses.

Many with Moon/Venus feel a sweet connection with their mothers, even if the relationship is sometimes fractious. A positive feminine influence-a mother, aunt, or grandmother who's able to contain both Hera and Aphrodite with ease-can help to give this aspect a beautiful expression: confident, creative, sensitive, sensuous, and nurturing. The soul assignment of Venus/Moon is to reunite the Feminine into its original fullness. Loving the body and reclaiming its sacredness can be a significant step toward integrating these two feminine potencies.
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Venus awakens in the body naturally, sometimes before the culturally accepted age, but when she's in aspect to Pluto, there may be an unwanted initiation. It would be irresponsible and incorrect to say that every Venus/Pluto connection indicates sexual abuse. Yet much like Pluto abducting Persephone into the underworld, there may be a premature and unwanted awareness of sex, too big for innocence to fully process. This is another aspect that can carry shame with the body, or a sense of being damaged in some way. With Venus/Pluto, it's almost as if a layer of protection is missing, intensifying the vulnerability and raising the voltage of emotions. There is great strength with this aspect, but initially its sensitivity can inspire extremes of either shutting Venus down or throwing her to the wolves.

When one journeys in the underworld, it helps to have a guide. A painful Venus/Pluto experience can be the catalyst for seeking counseling, joining support groups, or attending workshops leading to greater insight into self and others, identifying deeper motivations and unconscious patterns. Some of the most dramatically painful stories of loss, abuse, and betrayal were told by the Venus/Plutos in my study, yet they also showed a survivor's strength and keen self-awareness. It is helpful to remember that in the myth, Persephone becomes a Queen. We could say she learns to protect her treasures carefully, revealing them to only those worthy of her trust. With mastery, she inspires others with her emotional authenticity, her readiness to meet the unknown, her skill in clearing the past, releasing relationships that no longer serve.

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Astrology books raise high expectations for Venus/Jupiter aspects. The conjunction is considered the most fortunate of all planetary combinations, bringing abundance, luck, and popularity. The dark side of this and other Venus/Jupiter combinations is usually reported as over-indulgence-too much eating, drinking, or spending-or overbearing judgment and hypocrisy. Among the Venus/Jupiters in my study and even those I've known, I've not often seen these high or low extremes. Philandering Zeus and promiscuous Aphrodite did have reputations for indulgence. But in other myths, they were father and daughter, with Zeus raising Aphrodite to deity status, alternately protecting her or reigning her in. It was this "raising up" quality that I most consistently heard in the Venus/Jupiters in my study. There was an aspiration for journeying, geographical and spiritual, and delight in experiences that brought freedom, new perspectives, and a connection to truth. There was often good fortune through teachers. In the following story from a woman with Venus trine Jupiter, one can almost see Zeus looking out for his daughter, calling her to journey to his own wife's temple. Maybe it was Zeus masquerading as the guard who allowed her in to receive an important message.

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posted August 11, 2011 02:28 AM            

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Venus awakens in the body naturally, sometimes before the culturally accepted age, but when she's in aspect to Pluto, there may be an unwanted initiation. It would be irresponsible and incorrect to say that every Venus/Pluto connection indicates sexual abuse.

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I don't think it's necessarily physical....
It may be physical abuse when Mars/Pluto aspects are involved - since Mars represents the physical body.
But Venus/Pluto pain is more psychological.

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Yet much like Pluto abducting Persephone into the underworld, there may be a premature and unwanted awareness of sex, too big for innocence to fully process.

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It's interesting I have a lot of thoughts about Venus/Pluto in synastry (I also have the aspect in natal).

But basically Venus is NOT Persephone.

In myth Venus is a powerful goddess in her own right... She did not achieve status through marriage - as Persephone did with Pluto (becoming goddess of the underworld).
Because Venus is the goddess of love.. and because there are so many stories in myth about her carelessly making people fall in love in strange circumstances (like when one is human and one is a god... or other 'taboo' situations)..... I would've thought Pluto's obsessive love for Persephone was also due to Venus.
There is a love/hate vibe to Venus/Pluto aspects.. which is not surprising because Venus made Pluto lose control by making him fall in love.

It also makes sense because, in myths Persephone is thought of as beautiful and Aphrodite sees her as competition. All the more reason she would've wanted Persephone banished to the underworld.
At one point her and Aphrodite end up sharing Adonis - after he dies... He is with Persephone in the Underworld for a few months and with Aphrodite the rest of the time.
There was obviously a grudge there lol

Pluto is on guard and resentful towards Venus (This could come from a long standing anger that he was tricked into falling in love... to satisfy Venus' superficial desire to be the only 'beautiful' one - and get rid of Persephone. I think Pluto was used).

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With Venus/Pluto, it's almost as if a layer of protection is missing, intensifying the vulnerability and raising the voltage of emotions. There is great strength with this aspect, but initially its sensitivity can inspire extremes of either shutting Venus down or throwing her to the wolves.

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I can see what this is saying. especially with the opposition you can pick a side, unable to balance.

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When one journeys in the underworld, it helps to have a guide. A painful Venus/Pluto experience can be the catalyst for seeking counselling, joining support groups, or attending workshops leading to greater insight into self and others, identifying deeper motivations and unconscious patterns.

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The only aspects that have made me consider counselling were harsh Mars/Pluto aspects in synastry.
Venus is much sweeter imo

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Some of the most dramatically painful stories of loss, abuse, and betrayal were told by the Venus/Plutos in my study, yet they also showed a survivor's strength and keen self-awareness.

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Yes this is true.. Loss and betrayal ring true for me.

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It is helpful to remember that in the myth, Persephone becomes a Queen.

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Persephone is NOT Venus.
They display *completely* different facets of femininity.

On one version Venus is daughter of Zeus/Jupiter...
On another version she is a MUCH older goddess - older than Pluto even.. and she is daughter of Uranus.

In any case - she is the goddess of love by birthright... Persephone is a minor character in myth in comparison to Aphrodite.

Fron wiki:
"In the most famous version of her myth, her birth was the consequence of a castration: Cronus severed Uranus' genitals and threw them behind him into the sea. The foam from his genitals gave rise to Aphrodite (for which reason she is called "foam-arisen"), while the Erinyes (furies) emerged from the drops of blood. Hesiod states that the genitals "were carried over the sea a long time, and white foam arose from the immortal flesh; with it a girl grew." This girl became Aphrodite. She floated ashore on a scallop shell. This image of a fully mature "Venus rising from the sea" (Venus Anadyomene[13]) was one of the iconic representations of Aphrodite, made famous in a much-admired painting by Apelles, now lost, but described in the Natural History of Pliny the Elder.
In another version of her origin,[14] she was considered a daughter of Zeus and Dione, the mother goddess whose oracle was at Dodona. Aphrodite herself was sometimes also referred to as "Dione." "Dione" seems to be a feminine form of "Dios", the genitive form case of Zeus, and could be taken to mean simply "the goddess" in a generic sense."

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We could say she learns to protect her treasures carefully, revealing them to only those worthy of her trust. With mastery, she inspires others with her emotional authenticity, her readiness to meet the unknown, her skill in clearing the past, releasing relationships that no longer serve.

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posted August 11, 2011 06:49 AM            

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Years ago I took a trip to Greece and was drawn to see the Heraion, a temple dedicated to the Goddess Hera. This is a desolate site on the Argive plane. I could not understand why I was driven to see it. The day was scorching hot but I had to go. Nothing would stop me. When I got to the site, the guard, who said he seldom got visitors, was so happy to see me that he let me in for free. I climbed onto the temple wall and sat on it, staring out at the mountains in the distance. Insects buzzed in the dry grasses and the sun beat down, but I was oblivious to everything, mesmerized by the heat and the quiet. Suddenly, a very clear, decisive, imperious statement entered my consciousness. "How long to you think you can live a lie?" it asked. It shocked me. This was nothing like my inner voice. The question was repeated and I knew immediately what it was about. I had been living in a very difficult and unhappy marriage for many years. The experience was killing my spirit. I began to cry softly, then the tears came with great heaving sobs. I finally pulled myself together and returned to my hotel. When I realized what had happened I was overwhelmed. The archetype of the great goddess had come to life, there in the Heraion. When I returned to the US, I asked for a divorce and moved to live and work in Greece. (Venus trine Jupiter)

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posted August 11, 2011 08:11 AM            

I'm much too sensitive, but it makes me empathetic, compassionate and I'm really creative.

posted August 11, 2011 09:30 AM            

Venus makes a very wide aspect with my Pluto(both in scorpio). And I can actualy recall my first sexual awakening. It was on the Tv!

I recall a movie where a character was masturbating and everything just clicked.

Years later, I am still very preoccupied with sex. I don't know whether that is because my Venus in in scorpio but I have known some Scorpio venus' who seem to feign or even supress their sexual nature; calling sex something bad or , in some cases, even ugly.

posted August 11, 2011 07:42 PM            

I have the trine to cap moon, my experience is similar but not quite as harsh or overt. I think we both have uranus sq. moon if I'm not mistaken.

posted August 12, 2011 07:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:
I effin' wish I had ANY aspects to my Venus. The closest thing is a trine to the MC, square to the NN, and a biquintile to Pluto. Though I do remember transiting pluto opposing my Venus marking my (difficult) transition from an ugly duckling to a Swan. Too bad the Swan phase was only temporary. =___=

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posted August 13, 2011 03:38 PM            

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Venus
This planet correlates our inner relationship with ourselves, and the nature of the relationships we form with others based on our inner relationship. Venus has a corulership of Taurus and Libra. Libra reflects the outer nature (projected side) of Venus. and TaurPluto/Venus aspects symbolize that pre-existing patterns relative to our inner relationship, and the external relationships that we form have come under evolutionary transmutation, or metamorphosis. Most commonly, these Souls have not learned how to he self-reliant, especially in the context of an existing relationship. Venus correlates to expectations that we have in relationships. Which then create projected needs. The evolutionary requirement is to meet these needs from within. These projected needs create a codependent orientation in relationships. As a consequence, many of these individuals arc deluded into thinking that the meaning he or she is looking for is embodied in another person, or the existing partner. It should be clear that relationship structures based on mutual co dependencies are causing evolutionary limitations and blocks. As a result of projected needs and expectations in relationships, the phenomenon of conditional love
and giving occurs. The core dynamic that creates the extremities in relationships and personal behavior symbolized by Venus is the need to be needed (Libra symbolizes the need to be needed), and expecting that projected needs will be fulfilled by a partner. Being in emotional control, or being con trolled in relationships, must be transmuted in order to create relationships of equality, and mutual independence. A critical issue to address with Pluto/Venus aspects is how we can truly love, value, and give to another if we cannot love, value, and give to ourselves? In addition, overt or covert manipulation of the individual or by the individual with the Pluto/Venus aspect typically occurs in order to have these expectations and projected needs fulfilled. In the evolutionary past, and most commonly in current relationships, intense emotional scenes and conflicts have occurred when these expectations have not been fulfilled, including leaving or being left. In the worst extremes, emotional abuse has occurred in varying degrees of magnitude. Emotional abuse may have been experienced by the individual, or the individual may have been the abuser. It is essential that these Souls learn to identify their own needs in a relationship, and stop looking for another person to supply or meet those needs, In addition, the need to identify one’s own internal resources in order to effect survival (Taurus correlates with the survival instinct) on an emotional and physical level is symbolized by Pluto/Venus aspects. The issue of self-reliance is re-emphasized in this need. Our own values and inner orientation to life is a reflection of what we give meaning to in life, in general. As such, a metamorphosis of the Soul’s values, and resulting meaning in life must occur. Specifically, any values and inner orientation that promote dependencies upon others, and are materially based, must be purged from the Soul. Typically, individuals have adopted the values of the prevailing consensus, and arc with the current partner because of the need to he needed. In other cases, the individual will compensate for his or her values that are not in conformity with the values of the consensus. The worst extreme that can be reached is when the Soul becomes a vicarious extension. or an alter ego, of another. The individual is completely dominated by another. Another extreme is a person who imposes his or her values, meanings, and needs onto his or her partner. The individual expects the partner to be an alter-ego of him- or herself. Total emotional/psychological control and domination from the standpoint of emotional control is the result of this orientation.

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posted August 13, 2011 03:48 PM            

She's at 7° Scorpio in House 1.
Conjunct Sun at 15° Scorpio (too wide an orb?).
Trine Saturn at 5° Pisces.
Quintile Neptune at 20° Capricorn.

I want ta know what I value and how I luuuuv. And not in the physical way. That's pre' clear to me.

posted August 14, 2011 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
If it's not private matter,can u elaborate on 'difficult' transition??

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posted August 15, 2011 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
So,Pluto dragged everything Venus related out of you to the light?
I haven't noticed that sort of concerns with unaspected Venus; my examples mostly get lost in their partner's ways...

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Yes, it basically dragged Venus out of me kicking and screaming,....but only for a limited time! Seven years later, I feel like I'm back where I started.

posted August 17, 2011 04:30 AM            

i don't talk to her.. she's in the other room and when ever we've had something to say, we've done it through a piece of paper that we leave on the dining room table waiting for the other one to read it and respond in writing.. or we text, or even if in the same house, call and get it out of the way.

for a few years the communication would be one-sided.. where i would called blocked and she'd never have the option of calling me back.. i've tried to get away several times by growing up and growing away but after my first try, i somehow ended up back home til i fessed up and faced all on my b.s. head on and am now going through the final stages of it and it feels grand!

in all honesty, she has her sweet side but i still can't stand her.

her sweet side is so phony.

if she likes something, she won't just give someone a genuine 'ooh, nice' she'd say 'ooooooooooooooh my gahhhhhhh!!!!! mmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!! this pie, mmmmmm it's soooooooooo delicious!' then she'd have to go into an elaborate conversation about f*cking pies for about an hr..

i catch myself doing that sometimes..
though i've noticed it so i know when it itches itself and i won't do it.

i've got quite the mother issues but i don't relate with them as far as the cookbook goes, because everyone has a different bonding experience with the mother so whereas the moon/venus says they're really close and sensitive, i'd say that the relationship has been sensitive but the dynamics all depend as to how that goes.

there have been times where i feel as if there's rivalry.

i turned out to be very attractive; she's well over the hill and soon to be under it.

i used to wish and have flat out told her i used to just wish it, actually.

i think i once asked her when it was that she planned to go because i just didn't really care.

i've noticed certain behaviour from her where she's been i guess protective or yeah, protective over her conquests.. very territorial. as if we were in competition.

i've also had to kind of return to her her own b.s. because whatever appearance issues, (or any issue for that matter) that she'd be going through, she'd try to pass them over on to me.

for some time now, i've been self conscious about a lot of image (body image) things and never really knew how to express it or what to do about it but yeah, that part's definitely there and she's got her share of it and i'm not sure if that's where i've picked it up from but the issues didn't start til i was around 8 or 9; she was somewhere in her teens when her issues started because she's got a pretty ample backside so whenever she used to walk down the street while growing up, she wouldn't know what to do about the new attention she'd get from all the men..

she was very odd..

at first, she was 'terrorized' by the smallest stupid things such as bugs.. so people would then all team up and throw bugs on her.. she was terrified of ants..

she'd hide behind doors when going places or when going over to someone's house for a visit.. this went on til she was a teen.. if someone showed up unannounced, she'd hide and remain where ever she first found haven until the visit was over..

so, she goes from that and being attacked with bugs and praying mantis', that she prob didn't know how to react when the attention wasn't to attack but rather due to her curves.

what i don't like are the stupid traits i've picked up from her.

i don't hide behind doors or anything, but stupid stuff about covering up the body, yeah.. that i remember exactly when it happened and the same reaction she had to her body, she had toward mine while i was hitting puberty.. definitely not the best time to toss around hang-up's u kno?

as far as the attraction thing goes, for me, something similar happens because i attract a lot of attention and admirers very easily so i'm then pursued and don't know how to react when it comes to my insecurities, etc, etc..

i feel i owe it to myself to get rid of those emotions though, because none of em are based on reality.

they're also not mine!

i've had probably two aunt's who have had positive influences on me, probably unintentionally, but when it comes to the one who birthed me, i might as well greet her with an upright crucifix and duct tape her mouth as i walk by.

she's not the best with words and i've resulted to destroying the communication because she's refused to work on it.

posted August 17, 2011 07:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Benedict Moon*:

Yes, it basically dragged Venus out of me kicking and screaming,....but only for a limited time! Seven years later, I feel like I'm back where I started.

And ooooo, if I start to feel like I'm losing myself with another person, I freak out. Though again, its been a while since I've had a partner so I guess I couldn't say for sure what I'd do.

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