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Pluto-Sun aspects indicate personal (Sun) intensity (Pluto) and survival issues. Sometimes the individual's real identity (Sun) is hidden from them (Pluto), to the extent that they develop a 'false self' or false identity, which protects them from exposure (Pluto), but also keeps them hidden (Pluto) from themselves (Sun). From the ego's perspective, the individual is likely to feel vulnerable and open to attack, even to the point of paranoia (Pluto). They will find it impossible to trust, and will seek to maintain control over others at all times. Ultimately, a Pluto-Sun person is capable of delving into their own dark depths (Pluto) in order to uncover their own authentic identity (Sun), take their own power (Sun Pluto) and to devote it to the service of others.

Pluto-Moon describes an intensely (Pluto) emotional and instinctive nature (Moon). If the ego is involved, he/she is likely to be possessive, devouring and emotionally invasive, to the extent that anyone who lands on her spider's web will be trapped, bound by emotional (Moon) blackmail (Pluto) and unable to escape. He/she is equally capable of destroying or healing (Pluto) herself and others on a powerful psychic level (Moon). With this aspect devoted to the service of others, rather than to her own needs, she will not be afraid to put her life on the line in the interests of healing and nurturing others and setting them free.

Pluto-Venus indicates that he/she will have an intense (Pluto) desire nature (Venus), and an attraction (Venus) to hidden, taboo relationships (Pluto). As long as this aspect is functioning in an ego-centric manner, he/she may use her undoubted powers of attraction (Venus) to control, ensnare, seduce, manipulate and destroy others. Positively, this aspect describes Sally's capacity to go through hell and back (Pluto) for what she values (Venus), without fears for her own safety, to fight for others who are, for example, sexually (Venus) exploited (Pluto), to devote herself to healing (Pluto) people with sexually transmitted (Venus) diseases (Pluto), or to force taboo sexual practices (Pluto) to the surface so that they can be eliminated (Pluto).

Pluto-Mercury describes the power (Pluto) of language (Mercury), the compulsion (Pluto) to give voice (Mercury) to what is taboo or secret in order to defuse its hidden power (Pluto). If the interests of the ego are involved, this aspect can describe interrogation, the use of verbal (Mercury) intimidation and manipulation (Pluto) of others for one's own benefit. One way of doing this is by being totally silent (Mercury-Pluto), which can be a way of manipulating people into speaking first and therefore exposing themselves.

An individual with a Pluto-Mars contact never seems to feel alive unless they are fighting (Mars) for their personal survival (Pluto) or have put their lives on the line in some way. They tend to take themselves to the edge (Mars), which is where they feel truly alive (Pluto). This is an excellent combination for a racing driver or for a member of the SAS, anyone who challenges themselves (Mars) to survive (Pluto). Tremendously driven and determined, these people come alive (Mars) in a crisis (Pluto). If the interests of the ego are involved, this aspect describes the use of brutal force (Mars) and control (Pluto) over others for personal benefit. The most positive expression of this aspect is the power and determination and courage to put one's life on the line for the benefit of others and for the healing of the collective.

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posted August 11, 2011 06:19 PM            

Pluto-Moon describes an intensely (Pluto) emotional and instinctive nature (Moon). If the ego is involved, he/she is likely to be possessive, devouring and emotionally invasive, to the extent that anyone who lands on her spider's web will be trapped, bound by emotional (Moon) blackmail (Pluto) and unable to escape. He/she is equally capable of destroying or healing (Pluto) herself and others on a powerful psychic level (Moon). With this aspect devoted to the service of others, rather than to her own needs, she will not be afraid to put her life on the line in the interests of healing and nurturing others and setting them free.

Pluto-Venus indicates that he/she will have an intense (Pluto) desire nature (Venus), and an attraction (Venus) to hidden, taboo relationships (Pluto). As long as this aspect is functioning in an ego-centric manner, he/she may use her undoubted powers of attraction (Venus) to control, ensnare, seduce, manipulate and destroy others. Positively, this aspect describes Sally's capacity to go through hell and back (Pluto) for what she values (Venus), without fears for her own safety, to fight for others who are, for example, sexually (Venus) exploited (Pluto), to devote herself to healing (Pluto) people with sexually transmitted (Venus) diseases (Pluto), or to force taboo sexual practices (Pluto) to the surface so that they can be eliminated (Pluto).

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I once saw a sign that said "sin is death" but if "all deaths are suicide (linda goodman)" and suicide is sin, then shouldnt "death is sin" be more appropriate?

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She may use her powers of attraction to [...] manipulate [...] others.

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This is not at all destructive though. I've only manipulated to achieve a specific goal (Cappy Mars) - which usually involved other people, so it wasn't for personal gain.

Also, I am only good at manipulating men.
Although I find women very co-operative.. so I don't actually 'need to' manipulate them.

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an attraction (Venus) to hidden, taboo relationships

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Yes. I am in one! lol

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To fight for others who are, for example, sexually exploited

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True. I feel very strongly about this. I am actually working on something related to this as we speak.

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To force taboo sexual practices to the surface so that they can be eliminated.

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posted August 12, 2011 12:07 AM            

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Pluto and the Sun–if your partner has a Sun/ Pluto contact, hold on: discovering this Soul could be one exciting (even frightening) ride. There is a depth and intensity to this contact that calls for a hardy mate who can weather anything from the extremely possessive to the scarily Self-destructive; you might even witness the total transformation of your mate. Be ready for a dark side to this Sun, but also look for an amazing capacity for resilience and a true understanding of (and ability to guide you through) the worst life has to offer. This can also be a strongly magnetic contact, with an ever-present undercurrent of sexuality, power, and the possibility of change. Tastes can run the exotic gamut; anything kinky this person shares will be a serious need, and likely non-negotiable.

Pluto with the Moon–this can signal an individual who may have a very tender emotional state, one that could stem from an upsetting past, or from secrets or things they prefer remain hidden, including vulnerabilities and sexual tastes. Be gentle with this person, and don’t probe too deeply; they’ll open up when they feel safe. You must also be prepared for the possibility that this person may have developed a taste for punishment or the macabre; this can be the poster child for someone who has confused almost anything else with love. Once the emotions have been thoroughly processed and regenerated, this individual can be highly perceptive, and makes an excellent counselor, formal or informal, and they also become exceptionally understanding of the wounds and darker needs of others. Probably the toughest position of all the Pluto contacts, that once dealt with can bring tremendous benefit and growth.

Pluto with Mercury–this person may see words as weapons, and certainly will see them as being expressions of power. They can be powerful communicators themselves, and, whether they’re conscious of it or not, are always looking for the hidden meaning, or the power play, that they’re sure is somewhere between the lines. This can make for some upset as they truly don’t believe, as the saying goes, that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The good news is that once they trust you, they hold nothing back–real intimacy is possible. The bad news is that there could be a great many times when what you thought was an innocent remark will be taken by the Merc/ Pluto person as anything but. Clear communication void of even the most innocent manipulation is the only way to interact; and if you listen with care, all the quirks, peccadilloes, and preferences of this person will be told you, one way or another, so the mystery lasts only as long as you pretend you can’t read the messages your partner sends.

Pluto with Venus–volumes about the doomed love nature ‘earned’ by these individuals have been written, and most of it is short-sighted or just plain wrong (yes, I said it, wrong!) These people are not fated to suffer in love, to lose a great love, to act destructively or cruelly until they ‘learn’ some karmic lesson, or to be crushed tragically in a once-in-a-lifetime relationship–they are required to transform their concept of what love is, and the necessity of this suggests that there is something in the love nature and attitude toward relationship that is either destructive (likely unconsciously so–and this is very often some attitude or belief learned in the early environment that doesn’t foster a genuinely loving interaction dynamic according to this Soul’s standards) or that doesn’t in the largest sense serve the current Soul (Sun) focus and life direction. I have often observed this contact as an intense love affair that seems fated yet doesn’t work out, and the apparent reason for the Venus-Pluto one of the pair is 1) to change their attitude toward love and partnership; the experience often gives them an acute appreciation for genuine, healthy love, and 2) to allow them to go on to a life with another partner, who offers not only a more evolved kind of relationship but also a very different life than the individual would’ve experienced with the ’big love’ partner. So, the question becomes, are you the ‘big, changing love’ mate, the ‘evolved and settled down with’ mate, or someone in between? Aside from all this, this can also signal someone who goes for S/M or more exotic sexual practices, who expects love to hurt, somehow, who sees relationships (or money) as digging deep and bringing out the most intense (and sometimes the worst) feelings, who anticipates all relationships as power struggles, and/ or who finds relationship (or money) frightening, and so avoids it.

Pluto with Mars– suggests an intense sex drive, in either sex, and when in a man’s chart ties the ideal of who he is as a man (Mars) to the transformative or destructive energy of Pluto, and so implies that he may put a huge stake in his own potency, and/ or in the idea of sex as a vehicle for change, re-birth, in some sense, or transformative to relationship. In either sex this can say they like it ‘rough’ (though of course that term itself has a whole spectrum of meanings and lengths). With men or women this can also suggest they see sex as fundamentally affecting the ego or sense of Self–and depending on the state of Mars overall, as well as the Sun, this can go anywhere from a feeling that sex is regenerative to the idea that sex will destroy the identity–so can bring forward commensurate upset, anger, denial, and avoidance. Is this an aspect of rape? Perhaps, though we can never reduce such a complex mixture of choices, influences, and decisions to act to a single (or even several) aspects in the natal chart. This contact only gives an energy that could, under particular circumstances, manifest in this way, and we shouldn’t forget that ‘energy rape,’ an aggressive attitude, can cause as much (though different) damage as physical violation–and as well we must note the extreme strength and resilience this aspect gives, which can also be mustered in service of the positive–an aspect that can almost literally allow the individual to ‘move mountains.’

Aspects outside the personal planets carry less potential to manifest on a unique individual level within the personality, but we can mention a few possibilities in terms of the sex life:

Pluto with Jupiter–sex in public! or a sex life that mirrors social fashion, such as the ‘free love’ of the 60s, or the ‘Just say ‘No” abstinence of the 80s; or a ‘notches on the bedpost’ mentality, or ‘more is better’ with quantity over quality

Pluto with Saturn–a taste for older partners (or a ‘Daddy’ figure), celibacy, or sex on a schedule or by certain rules (“Missionary only, please!”)

Pluto with Uranus–sex must be unique, revolutionary, avant garde, or can become totally academic (a new position from the ‘Kama Sutra’ every night)

Pluto with Neptune– sexual fantasy or role playing, or sex dressed-up, or drugged-up

And with the asteroids:

Pluto with Vesta–can make any Plutonian proclivities sacred–so if you don’t share these tastes, it can be tough

Pluto with Ceres–sex out in nature can be a big turn-on, as can sex under dangerous weather conditions (during a lightning storm, at sea during a squall, while hiding in the tornado shelter) Authority play might come into it, with one person playing a dominator/ dominatrix role or playing ‘Mother’–or, sex may be only for procreation

Pluto with Juno–power struggles may spark sex, and there may be a taste for repeated infidelities, ‘punishment,’ and make-up sex

Pluto with Pallas–again with power as a turn-on, though this may be where skills or business dealings are aphrodisiacs, or this individual could look for a mentor/ counselor or teacher/ student relationship to turn lusty

Pluto with Chiron–Oww! This combo may be highly transformative and healing, or highly destructive, and likely some of each, perhaps with the circumstances for healing arising from the ashes–how this plays out in the sex life is anybody’s guess! and highly dependent on the Chirotic relationship with the partner

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Mars

This planet correlates with the subjective and consdous desire nature
of the Soul. These desires emanate from Pluto, or the Soul, and are
transmitted to Mars. This is why Mars is the lower octave of Pluto. (A
lower octave is a denser expression of a higher vibration.) Mars is the
planetary ruler of Aries. The two coexisting desires of the Soul are now
intensely felt because of the aspect to Pluto, and the resulting need to
transmute personal limitations reflected in dual desires within the Soul
that are transmitted to Mars. The house and sign position of natal Mars
and the aspects it makes to other planets symbolize the nature of the Soul’s conscious desires, and how the desires associated with the natal
Pluto will be consciously and instinctually acted upon. Mars symbolizes
the desire to discover or recover our distinct identity. A brand-new cycle
of evolutionary becoming is initiated, and the process of self-discovery
demands an essential freedom and independence to become what we
must become from an evolutionary/karmic point of view. The Soul
will learn on an action/reaction level because the evolutionary impulse
is operating instinctually (Mars).
When Pluto aspects Mars, the evolutionary impulse requires a meta
morphosis of the process of action upon the Soul’s consciou,subjec
tive desires. Unchecked, egocentric expression must be purged from
the Soul (of course, there are varying degrees of this type of behavior).
All separating desires must he actively transmuted. All individuals with
this aspect will have an intensified need to transmute pre-existing inner
limitations linked with his or her desire nature. These Souls will typi
cally resent any restrictions (inner or outer) that are placed upon them
to grow, and express the identity. Mars correlates to anger relative to
this dynamic. Thus, unresolved anger must he purged from the Soul
in order for evolution to occur. Anger must he used for a constructive
purpose, not destructive. There is a capacity for total self-generation
as well as self-destruction. These dynamics most typically operate on a
cyclic basis.
The key to channeling the tremendous amount of raw and power
ful energy that is inherent within this aspect is to commit to personal
goals that are relevant to the individual’s growth and development. In
a negative application of this aspect, the Soul will act upon, or follow.
one desire after the next, with no real conscious awareness of why he
or she is acting in this way. A depletion of personal energy and loss of perspective of the identity will occur until the commitment to personal
goals and growth is made. Another critical point in achieving a posi
tive expression of Mars/Pluto aspects is that the Soul understands the
source of limitations emanating totally from within, and does not pro
ject anger at others who are perceived as the source of the limitations.
The need to confront and transmute limitations and express personal
identity has created an evolutionary situation wherein the Soul has experienced domination, and/or has dominated others. In the case of an
individual who has been dominated, a very intense anger at the person
who attempted to dominate him or her will build until the proper ac
tions are taken to resolve this condition. In the case of an individual
who has been dominating others, egocentric shocks will occur as the
other person asserts his or her own will, not allowing such domination
to take place. Hopefully, through such shocks, the necessary changes
can then be made.
lithe Pluto/Mars aspect is stressful in nature, then it tends to indi
cate that this process will manifest in a cataclysmic nature, and stressful
events will most likely occur in order to enforce the necessary lessons.
If the aspect is nonstressful in nature, the individual will most likely be
able to easily integrate these evolutionary lessons because of the con
scious awareness of the necessary changes that he or she must make.

Nonstressful aspects can promote an ease of resistance to the neces
sary changes, even though there is an understanding of what must be
changed. Again, we cannot make an analysis based on an isolated fac
tor alone, and must take into consideration the other mitigating factors
that have been described previously.
In all cases, Pluto in aspect to Mars symbolizes that the subjective
and conscious desires of the Soul must now be brought into harmony
or alignment with the Soul’s evolutionary requirements. The deepest
challenge in this aspect is to conform or harmonize the personal will
with a higher will, or the Creator’s will. Acting on and sustaining the
separating desires of the Soul leads to negative and degenerative expe
riences. Consistently acting on separating desires creates stagnation,
because of the limitations this behavior creates relative to personal de
velopment and depletion of personal energy. The need to take respon
sibility for the Soul’s desires and actions is strongly emphasized in ibis
aspect. In a vast majority of cases, this lesson has not been learned in
the past. The impulse for self-discovery and independence needs to be
acted upon in a new way, in order for a brand-new cycle of evolution
ary becoming to take hold, Again, personal development and the use of
the will must be in alignment with the Soul’s overall evolutionary needs
and requirements. This allows a merging of the personal will and a higher will (Creator’s will). The desires of the Soul will be acted out in a
new way relative to this change, and transmutation of the limitations of
the past. Individuality (or the personal identity) can form in a new way,
and the need for freedom and independence will be realized positively
Anger will he used constructively—the intense amount of raw energy
that is inherent within this Pluto aspect can be used to create a personal
reality that is in alignment with the Soul’s evolutionary intentions.

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
So what if you have Venus square Pluto natally? I mean, in just about every relationship I've had, their Pluto will square my Venus. Do I keep going 'round and 'round? Definitely, this last relationship has been the one to transform me the most. Alas, don't know now where we exactly stand, but boy, I have learned from this relationship exactly what I want from here on out. With my cursed/blessed Venus sq. Pluto, will I slip into the same old depressing patters as before, or what?

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posted August 12, 2011 12:50 AM            

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Pluto with Mercury–this person may see words as weapons, and certainly will see them as being expressions of power. They can be powerful communicators themselves, and, whether they’re conscious of it or not, are always looking for the hidden meaning, or the power play, that they’re sure is somewhere between the lines. This can make for some upset as they truly don’t believe, as the saying goes, that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The good news is that once they trust you, they hold nothing back–real intimacy is possible. The bad news is that there could be a great many times when what you thought was an innocent remark will be taken by the Merc/ Pluto person as anything but. Clear communication void of even the most innocent manipulation is the only way to interact; and if you listen with care, all the quirks, peccadilloes, and preferences of this person will be told you, one way or another, so the mystery lasts only as long as you pretend you can’t read the messages your partner sends.

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hmm... for a scorpio/ water dominant i guess i am oddly not suspicious of others at all. in fact i'd say i am quite trusting. but i do use merc-pluto for other things..

hey i didn't even know pluto-venus was a "doomed" aspect!!

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Aside from all this, this can also signal someone who goes for S/M or more exotic sexual practices, who expects love to hurt, somehow, who sees relationships (or money) as digging deep and bringing out the most intense (and sometimes the worst) feelings, who anticipates all relationships as power struggles, and/ or who finds relationship (or money) frightening, and so avoids it.

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posted August 12, 2011 12:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Well sort of, I was stuck in a pattern of what "is love" .. but I got hit hard with lessons, and Im seeing love/relationships differently... I know now, how to feel, and how intense and deep it should feel... I will no longer settle...
This is barely starting for me, and Im 39 years old... Im slow.... lol

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posted August 12, 2011 10:29 AM            

I can actually relate to what is being said.

Sun-Pluto. I don't think that I have trust issues though, although I do think that I do tend to "hide" my real self(especially to my parents).

I actually came out to my mom a few years back and the issue has been tip-toed around since.

I also find it challenging to integrate whom I am (outside the home)with what is expected of me (inside it).

I have not told any of my other family members though and I think that is where, perhaps, the whole trust issue comes in.

I come froma very trasitional family(or atleast that is how I see them).

Mars-pluto aspects.

I actually dated someone with this aspect and he did like sex to be a power play thing. He was into it only when it got rough or when we just had a huge fight.

I think this aspect also adds an impersonal approach towards sex. As both Mars and Pluto are often known to just be concerned with the "act" itself, it leaves little space foe emotional involvement from a psychological perspective.

Neptune Pluto aspects

That is me natally. Again out of sign aspect but I do concur with what has been written.

I am really into Adult movies; erotica and magazines etc. Although, I must admit- as is true with most outer planet aspects, I just don't know how to integrate all of that into my personal life.

The down side to this aspect is that I have far and beyond expectations to lovemaking. As a result, I've seldom enjoyed sex, though I do like to watch other people "go at it".

Moon-Pluto aspect.

I have this aspect(wide trine)

I don't relate so much with this one. Would I be willing and ready to put my life on the line for the benefit of another? I think not.

I can't even pluck enough courage to donate blood let alone an organ transplant.

Perhaps in a crises where I don't have time to think about it?(before cowardiceness rears its ugly head .lol)

Mercury-Pluto

I read somewhere that this indicates an individual obsessed(Pluto) with details(mercury). I don't know if I am obsessed with details, but I do watch movies a lot and have been known not to be easily impressed.

I see faults in story lines, setting and even the choice in actors. I guess this is where this aspect manifests itself.

This aspect though is a wide sextile.

My venus -Pluto conjuction aspect(wide)

My venus is already in Scorpio and its connection to Pluto, I guess, would intensify the effect?

I have an attraction to the weird and eerie and so does my sister(her Venus is also in Scorpio). Although our tastes are different.

I like religious connotations to conspiracy theories and she likes murder and psychotic behavior-related series.

She often watches and enjoys movies with blood and gore(and doesn't flinch) whilst I am more sensitive to that and wouldn't be caught dead watching them.

Pluto, I have noticed, comes with hectic issues often related to sex, emotional challenges, life-death situations(crises) etc.

I actualy don't mind the fact that Pluto forms a wide aspect to my personal planets, its effect seems to be less vivid.

And Judging by the experiences that most people have had(that I know) who have it in close apsects to personal planets (natally), I don't think I'd enjoy it so much if I did.

posted August 12, 2011 02:40 PM            

The Pluto stellium with Mars/Uranus/Ceres/Juno dominates - I do relate to the predisposition to an intense desire nature coupled with a need to purge this from the soul, a cyclic capacity for self-regeneration/self-destruction, leading to transformational change in awareness.

Trust is definitely a problem with pluto square to my sun. together with a compulsion to investigate the dark side. But more troubling is the opposition of the Pluto stellium to Chiron that makes sure that any forays I make into the underworld of the soul to clear through all the murk is only accomplished with maximum pain.

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I can't even pluck enough courage to donate blood let alone an organ transplant.

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Myth: An open-casket funeral isn't an option for people who have donated organs or tissues.
Fact: Organ and tissue donation doesn't interfere with having an open-casket funeral. The donor's body is clothed for burial, so there are no visible signs of organ or tissue donation. For bone donation, a rod is inserted where bone is removed. With skin donation, a very thin layer of skin similar to a sunburn peel is taken from the donor's back. Because the donor is clothed and lying on his or her back in the casket, no one can see any difference.

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Pluto in 6th House

*You can become obsessed with your health, self-improvement and personal development. The psychological elements of disease interest you, and you may endlessly psychoanalyze yourself and others. Also, you may work compulsively and exhaust yourself through overwork. You can be a tyrant with co-workers, and it may be easier for you to work in solitude. When you are busiest, you are also the most capable of transformation. Serving others opens you to spiritual development, and working for yourself positions you on a progressive path. Both are essential to effect positive change in your life. You develop the capacity for change by using your will to push through difficult situations in the work environment, or health problems. ^Pluto's energy in your 6th House prompts you to unlock the power you have to alter and transform your own life through self-improvement. The quality of your life depends upon the way you handle experiences which may seem to be beyond your control, like your genetic heritage, or an illness, or the society within which you live. Taking care of your health through finding the root of real healing power in your life is one of the most crucial factors you must face. Completely surrendering control of your life to the will and direction of others will leave you feeling disconnected to yourself. You can find the right healers, helpers and supporters, but first you must acknowledge the part you play in these processes.

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Pluto in 7th House

*Emotional intensity, compulsive attraction, and a sense of fate or destiny characterize your one-to-one relationships. It's as if you simply cannot have light, superficial relationships; they are inevitably profound, intense experiences which reveal your depths to you. You may be drawn to powerful, charismatic, willful people that challenge, thwart, and ultimately evoke your own power and strengths. Your marriage is likely to be the arena for your greatest growth. Your keen awareness of others is integral to how you make changes. When you focus on yourself, you can get stuck, but when you focus on significant people in your life, your energy flows more smoothly. You find the juice of compassion in the exchange of energy with others. Then you handle changes with greater equanimity.
^Pluto's energy in your 7th House brings direct power struggles within cooperative relationships and partnerships. You may resist the idea of a functional partnership because you do not want to give up control. Or you may attract a partner who overwhelms you with his power when you do not trust your own ability to direct your life. You cannot escape power issues. One way or another, you must realize that you really do have the power to direct your own life and to reflect your power in a positive sense. Until you finally exercise that power, you can be caught in an endless game of transforming yourself to fit your partner's needs or finding that you are never what you want to be. Try looking in the mirror. The woman looking back at you is important.

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posted August 14, 2011 08:57 PM            

Here's another one, i was going to post them here, but they're all too long [ like 5 pages each ] http://www.scribd.com/doc/54383508/Pluto-Sign-House-Aspect#page=102