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Topic: The Selena Gomez & Justin Bieber Romance
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Moonfish Knowflake Posts: 318 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 28, 2011 07:31 PM
I think they make a cute couple & I was curious what brought them together so I decided to look at there synastry. I was surpised to see all the harsh aspects they share. After looking at there aspects how do you think they work as a couple & how long do you think they'll stay together?[all aspects are below 3 degs] her Sun squares his Moon Mars square Mars her Mars opposites his Pluto her Saturn squares his Jupiter Jupiter sextiles Jupiter her Jupiter sextiles his Venus her Mercury squares his Jupiter her Pluto trines his Venus IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 517 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted August 28, 2011 07:46 PM
Doesn't he have some fire in his chart? And selena has alot of fire so it works lol. Well they haven't dated for long, probably will break up really soon anyway.IP: Logged |
Moonfish Knowflake Posts: 318 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 28, 2011 07:50 PM
According to astrotheme he has Libra Moon & Scorpio rising. While she (unknown birthtime) has Aries Moon IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 655 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 28, 2011 09:44 PM
His chart is mostly air and water.Her Mars also is conjunct his SN and they have Moon opposite Moon. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 12:12 AM
Well, they may have lots of squares in synastry, but it is mostly squares that cause passion and attraction, plus, they have venus trine pluto in synastry which is really nice.Their Composite chart isn't bad either with Sun trine Moon and Sun trine Neptune. Also Sun opposite Pluto in the composite always creates an attractionf for me in composites right off the bat. And they have really good aspects in the composite except for sun square saturn. But they have moon trine venus which is only second to sun conjunct venus in indicating true love. Venus opposite pluto also creates an attraction. I don't know how they can deal with Sun, mercury, and venus square saturn, though. There must be a lot of awkwardness between them, but I guess sun trine moon Sun conjunct mercury takes care of that by making them feel comfortable at the same time. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 517 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 12:15 AM
sun conjunct venus does not indicate true love o_O it just indicates they'll enjoy each other's company. I've had sun conjunct venus in the composite with several people. I only was in love with one of them.IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 01:37 AM
Doesn't mean you're in love but that you just love each other. Astro.com says it's the strongest indication of true lovei've had it with lots of people, too, and we would always say "i love you" randomly to each other and were very affectionate IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 02:08 AM
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The conjunction of Sun and Venus in the composite chart is one of the strongest indications of a love relationship between two people, even in a friendship it signifies love, pure and simple. The attraction indicated by this aspect is so powerful that it can bring together people who are incompatible by ordinary criteria In most cases, this will be a very fine personal relationship.
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mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 517 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 02:54 AM
one of the 'strongest' indications of A love relationship DOES NOT mean 'the strongest indication of true love'doesn't mean the same thing. Just means there might be an indication of a romantic relationship, not a romantic relationship that involves true love. Cos true love is very rare. Nah I only loved one of them.
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 04:22 AM
Well, you don't have to be rude. Grupovenus.com says:
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This aspect signifies that you just plainly love each other. The attraction is so strong between you that even though you may be incompatible by other standards, you still feel like being with your partner because of that love you feel for them. It's not that they won't occasionally drive you nuts - they will. It's just that the bottom line is that there is real love between you and there is no stronger emotion in the universe. By being together you can create beauty and form as well as appreciate art and music. Your home can easily be filled with "treasures" that reflect the talents you have. But as always with Venus, be careful of overindulging in the good things of life so they do not become a noose around your neck instead of an object of desire. Remember, the more things you have, the more trouble you art likely to have. You will not mind showing off what you have accrued together, but vanity can become an undesired side effect of this aspect if it is not kept in check. Avoid hiding any difficulties in your relationship and bring them out in the open so they can be resolved or at least recognized in order to avoid major problems down the road. You may also be drawn to speculative ventures with this aspect, so just remember to be practical in your expenditures. With this configuration, no matter what difficulties come along to challenge you, you will always feel a need and desire to make peace, reconcile and create harmony and cooperation in your relationship. This aspect offers a great stability that will keep you from turning against each other, unless the obstacles become totally overwhelming. A great deal of time and effort can be put into social activities and if you are involved in creative ventures together, then this aspect adds support and form to your ideas.
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 05:01 AM
Or how about this? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/005328.html Maybe you're confusing true love as only being romantic love. Just cuz you love someone doesn't mean you're in love with them or even like them in that way, you know? Sometimes it's just someone you want to hug a lot and just yell "I love you !" to. Haha. =)
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Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 29, 2011 07:04 AM
What is un-true love? Isn`t love always true, and if it is not, is it still love?IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 655 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 08:15 AM
I agree, Sun conjunct Venus in the Composite generally means that there is a lot of affection, but it can be totally unromantic.IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 12:48 PM
Ceridwen, I agree. And I believe that love is still love, even if it's not true. In my opinion, this aspect in the composite means true love because not because the two people "are always true" to each other, because things happen in life, people say rude things without meaning to, people move away, people hurt and judge each other, BUT woth this aspect you know that person will never be able to stop being on your side in the end, no matter what you do. Doesn't matter if they've decided to start avoiding you, because they feel you're not having a good impact in their life. They'll never be able to turn their back against you.A few websites say this about this aspect, it's not coming out of my mouth. And well, I have walked away from quite a few people I had this aspect with, not because I stopped admiring them and thinking they were cool, I still love them very much, but because either the feelings they brought out in me were too much and I couldn't handle it, they were nice to watch from afar because it seems twy have self-destructive behaviors, or because our lifestyles were completely dofferent and that would bring too many unnecessary misinderstandings and arguments in my life. These aren't even people I like romantically, but friends, male and female alike. Even if I didnt think they were interesting enough to hang out with, I still thought they were adorable from afar and could never dislike them. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 207 From: Registered: Jul 2011
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posted August 29, 2011 03:03 PM
Run ARound Screaming,I agree with the interpretation of the Sun-Venus-conjunction. What confuses me is just dividing love into true love and into what else?* How can love be not true?* There definitely can be different kinds of love, and I suspect that maybe when people talk about "true" love they are meaning unconditional love or passionate love or something like that, but really if it is love, it is love, and then it`s true (even if it might be passing). Untrue love does not exist; if it is untrue, then what you might have taken for love, is not love. But then it`s not the love that is not true; it was just not love to begin with, and maybe the people involved had been only deluded into thinking something was love which was not really. But of course I know that is opening a can of worms about how to define love. So I better leave it at that. But to me it just is astounding, cause every feeling you feel is true. How can you feel an untrue feeling? * Puzzles me. That`s all. * rhetorical question IP: Logged |
Lonake Moderator Posts: 5131 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 03:07 PM
RAS, Pay attn to the aspects the sun/venus comp conj are making to your natal as well. The composite doesn't operate in isolation.IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 05:30 PM
Honestly, why should I have to? These websites say these things about this aspect which I have felt are true, just lile I have felt everything else astrology websites say about aspects is true. And i felt it mutually between me and the other person, it wasnt just I who felt it, they did too. Now, just because one person here wants to play "devil's advocate" I'm not gonna go and doubt the validity of this. Now somebody else claims to not understand the idea of true love. Okay, really? Come on now. It's not that hard. You may feel love for someone who you think is awesome, or possibly a family member or your mother, who you love very deeply, but if they do something mean to you you would not think about their feelings at all and just be mean back and hate them. But if true love existed then you will tend toward hesitation first, your immediate reaction being "they're probably just having a bad day, i should think of their feelings first and just be sweet to them so they feel better." and forgiveness will definitely come more easily to you than when true love doesn't exist. I'm sorry but it Really isnt a hard concept. And don't tell me you haven't read how the bible defines true love. You know, the whole "love is patient, love is kind..." thing. Please. I hate when people play devil's advocate for attention.
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Aya_and_baby Knowflake Posts: 1136 From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 07:01 PM
Ehhhh I have a composite Sun conjunct Venus with my baby's father and he's in fact the only ex partner I was indifferent about and had no feelings for...Just sayin', guys, just sayin' ------------------ [Insert catchy signature here.] IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby Knowflake Posts: 1136 From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 07:19 PM
Ceri, I know you meant those questions to be rhetorical but my Gemini moon just can't resist (or is it my Merc conjunct Uranus?)Feelings can be untrue when they originate from the environment: through manipulation of others, mind-altering substances, peer pressure, even being in love is a temporary alteration of the brain which fades with time. Also because we interpret what we feel quite subjectively, we might not read a feeling for what it is and treat it with the misconception that it is something else (compassion versus love, for example). I could go deeper into society's role in influencing our "types" of partners and mistaking feelings too, but I don't want to stir things up any more. My Moon, Mercury and Uranus apologize in advance and I'll make sure they get an appropriate punishment for this outburst of know-it-allism Sorry! ------------------ [Insert catchy signature here.] IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 1010 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 07:26 PM
I would have to look at your composite and synastry....to tell you why that is....IP: Logged |
Lotis White Knowflake Posts: 109 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 07:33 PM
His Sun is NOT square her moon... he is a Pisces and she has moon in Aries... perhaps your birth data is a year offIP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 655 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 07:39 PM
HONESTLY, like I said before, Sun conjunct Venus is affection. You are affectionate with each other, you enjoy each others company. But it's not a ROMANCE FOR THE AGES or anything. Maybe I just have grandiose ideas about romance (Pisces Venus), but really, 3 of my exes have had that in the Composite, and I could give two sh*ts about 2 of them (and the other is Vertex Boy so). I've also experienced Sun opposite Venus in composite (which is read like Sun conjunct Venus) with my roommate and it is platonic, but we are affectionate.I also tend to take what is said on most websites with a grain of salt. Astrology is an art. You have to feel your way through it. IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby Knowflake Posts: 1136 From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 07:43 PM
quote: Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming: I would have to look at your composite and synastry....to tell you why that is....
Can't post charts now, on smartphone, but our synastry has about just as many good aspects (strong ones) as bad ones. The truth is that I am indifferent about my ex and the only thing about him that stands out (and got emotional reactions from me) is the fact that he has an alcohol and anger management issue. Apart from that I don't find that he would stand out from the crowd if I had to pick out a partner. Our composite also has Pluto conjunct but really, you couldn't find a less intense relationship. I also spent the first half of that relationship longing for someone else. The love that comp Sun conj Venus would suggest, was very one-sided and came entirely from him. What I can say is that people ALWAYS said we looked like a couple which was happy and madly in love. What I have experienced from composites is that they are more likely to tell us how two people come off as a couple/unit, but it doesn't necessarily have to be that way in reality. You could appear to be the most perfect couple but behind closed doors you could have no love, no intimacy or a volatile or even abusive relationship. ------------------ [Insert catchy signature here.] IP: Logged |
Lotis White Knowflake Posts: 109 From: USA Registered: Dec 2010
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posted August 29, 2011 07:55 PM
Selena Marie Gomez (born July 22, 1992). No birth time.Sun 0 Leo Moon in Aries or Taurus Mer 17 Leo Ven 10 Leo Mars 27 Taurus Jup 13 Virgo Sat 16 Aqua Nep 17 Cap Uran 15 Cap Plu 20 Scorp North Node 0 Cap Justin Drew Bieber (born March 1, 1994, 12:56am). Asc 29 Scorp Sun 10 Pisces Moon 24 Libra Mer 23 Aqua Ven 20 Pisces Mars 25 Aqua Jup 14 Scorp Sat 03 Pisces Uran 24 Cap Nep 22 Cap Plu 28 Scorp Mc 15 Virgo North Node 26 Scorp Source: Astrotheme IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby Knowflake Posts: 1136 From: Space (and sometimes Antwerp) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 29, 2011 08:04 PM
I can add something else though:With my ex, the comp Sun conj Venus conj Pluto was at about 23 Libra. I have nothing in Libra and the closest thing I have to that composite "stellium", is a sextile from my Venus and Neptune. You'd think that would give me some sort of "feeling" but there is a reason why my ex called me a cold hearted b**** from time to time. It also squares my Mars, by the way. But that would suggest action against, not indifference. I did suspect, speaking of composites, that I had a comp Sun conj Venus with someone else and I was right! And here it becomes interesting. This guy I love, truly love as you described. We didn't work out and I wouldn't go back to him but I do love him and I probably always will. Ignoring my Saturn for a minute, this comp Sun conj Venus is also conj Mars AND in Scorpio. It is also (widely) conjunct both our Suns seeing as they weren't very far apart to begin with. Which means the composite is also widely conjunct my rising (it is conjunct his Sun) and overall we both have closer aspects to that composite Sun and Venus. It is also very close to my SNode. So it goes both ways for me. I think it does show how important synastry between each partner's chart and the composite chart is, to make what the composite suggests, real. ------------------ [Insert catchy signature here.] IP: Logged |