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Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2011 02:06 PM
  
What would be the difference between a man with Pisces Sun a man with Neptune conjunct the Sun?
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Ceridwen
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posted September 02, 2011 05:39 PM
I think especially with the conjunction two energies meld together and often can be very similiar to the signplacement.
So I`d say a Pisces-Sun and a Sun-Neptune-conjunction will be similiar.But of course it is not the same.
I would check for which houses Sun and Neptune rule, for example.
I also think that the Neptunian character may even be stronger with the Sun-Neptune-aspect, jsut because this combination is more individual than Sun in Pisces. Sun is in Pisces for about 30 days; but Sun will be conjunct Neptune for only a few days (depending on the used orb). Also with the Sun-Neptune-conjunction the signbackground, which often will not be Pisces, has to be taken into account as well.
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Lonake
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posted September 02, 2011 06:26 PM
Neptune conj Sun
-binded to Neptune through every bit of his being, he ingests it, he breathes it in and out, he can't think of existing without it
-is forced to deal with Neptune issues (music, film, spirituality, fantasy, delusion, lethargy, addiction, mystery connected to the father, etc.) head-on, cannot run
-embodies the true spirit of Neptune in accordance with the sign the Sun is placed in and its house and its aspects, which will directly affect the houses with Leo and Pisces on the cusps, those houses will always be merged in a Neptunian statePisces Sun
-Neptune shading the Sun, it colors his experience of his Sun
-experiences Neptune energy in a more diffuse manner
-just "is," does not question what Neptune is doing in his life, does not feel binded to it, exists on his own, could go many yrs without having to confront anything dramatic connected to the above conjunction; is not as prone to addiction, is not as creative, the experience of father is not as nebulous, is not as prone to escaping from life in such a strong manner, does not cast as strong a spell over others, feels more energetic, may or may not question the place religion and spiritual matters have in his life, is not as prone to deceive or be deceived
-works to develop the energy of the Sun, to express it in a more holistic manner over the course of his life as an expression of who he is in order to shine, will do it in accordance of operating through the house it's placed in and its aspects, which will directly affect the house with Leo on the cusp
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Lonake
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posted September 02, 2011 06:29 PM
"Sun is in Pisces for about 30 days; but Sun will be conjunct Neptune for only a few days (depending on the used orb)."
---I agree, the conjunction is not as common as the Sun in that sign.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 02, 2011 06:30 PM
A Pisces Sun conj Neptune would have em both beat.
I'm dying to see what they turn into.So far I've been really impressed by those who have their Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio.
Have not, unfortunately (!) met any of the young ones who have their Aqua Sun conjunct Uranus. Missed the boat on giving birth to one of those (!) IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 02, 2011 07:41 PM
Thank you Lonake and Ceri
Sun conjunct Neptune seems like a fine painting,very rare and artistic, even though that is a terrible word to use  ------------------
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enchantress299
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posted September 02, 2011 08:04 PM
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A Pisces Sun conj Neptune would have em both beat.
I'm dying to see what they turn into.So far I've been really impressed by those who have their Sun conjunct Pluto in Scorpio.
! Yeah, I know a Sun combust Pluto (by 1 degree) in Scorpio. He is SOMETHING.  IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 02, 2011 08:52 PM
^ I won't say anything bad about those Scorps (!) The ones I've known are lovely.IP: Logged |
tuxedoMask
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posted September 02, 2011 09:28 PM
for lonake, too: question about the venus you had in someone's twelfth house... could you elaborate, please? why wouldn't u tell em how u felt aside from just fear? or would u mind going into the details of the fear? i'z confused!IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 02, 2011 09:38 PM
^ I don't recall posting that. Do you have a link?
As an aside, I'm thinking on those where my Venus falls in their 12th and I don't have problems relating in that way with them. Those with Venus in my 12th from what I remember didn't feel constrained in that way, either. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted September 02, 2011 10:01 PM
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^ I won't say anything bad about those Scorps (!) The ones I've known are lovely.
I've only known one, so I really can't speak for them on the whole... I'm sure most of them are lovely.  The one I know isn't a bad guy... He's just super super intense and he likes to play with people (he definitely wants to know where your boundaries are!). Trouble is, he's usually so transparent about it, everyone already knows what he's doing. Most of the simple sun sign Scorpios I've known (without the Pluto conjunct) seem more mellow and less inclined to manipulate in THAT manner. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted September 02, 2011 10:16 PM
Pisces would show a Sun influence on the house subject matter, whereas Leo subject matter would be Piscean.What matters here is the planet placement in a sign, not linked with another planet. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted September 03, 2011 04:33 AM
I agree that it depends a lot on the sign and house. Having this conjunction in Sagittarius (Neptune's buddy) feels as though I experience in a Sagittarian way, yet the experience is broadened by additional Neptunian filters. In observing other Sag Sun people who do not have a Neptune conjunction, it appears their focus and method of pursuit is more “basic” or more “directly driven”. When I see Sagittarians act in an obtuse or careless fashion, bowl people over, and act like jerks, I cringe. It appears to me they almost lack the capacity to humanize others. Beneath my freedom-loving and care-free (or careless) Sag energy, is a deep desire for everyone and everything to be at peace, connect, and understand each other, even at the cost of my own freedom or life. Sadly, it isn't long before I discover I have been completely oblivious to acting in an inconsiderate way which hurts someone close to me. Both Neptune and Sun feel as though they are Siamese Twins. Because I am so close, I can see the Neptune energy clearly, however there is no specific point where I end and Neptune begins. There are times where I feel as though I am in control of the direction I am heading, and there are other times I realize Neptune has been taking me for a walk. Finally, there are the fantastic moments when a synthesis happens between the two energies, but those moments would take all night to describe. Here are some examples of how Sun/Neptune in Sag manifests in me. I have always been interested in religious spiritualism, ecstatic experiences, mind touching the spirit, therefor I have always been very attracted to escapism (zoning off, drug use, or hiking out into the wilderness for example). I was however, also unwilling to escape just for fun. I have only ever escaped for the experience, I did it to learn, grow, observe, and expand my mind. When I looked at my Piscean friends (though their Neptune was also in Sagittarius), I had a hard time understanding their desire to escape as a defense mechanism or a tool for manipulation. There is also the matter of empathy. Piscean empathy is inherent, it's part of their self. A Pisces doesn't walk into a room, the room walks into the Pisces. Pisces is naturally everywhere emotionally, where I am capable of expanding my feelings to the degree of everywhereness. The full range of my feelings always exists, I am just capable of controlling my level of obliviousness to them. This is not a great thing however, because experiencing a feeling is integral to Neptune's ability to dissolve it. If I ignore my feelings for too long, they wait for me to start becoming aware again, then I end up processing all sorts of old emotional stuff. My Neptunian empathy is also infused with the Sagittarian gravitation toward optimism and goal oriented conflict resolution. In this way, Sun/Neptunes of my generation seem to be less inclined to just listen or be there for people, and more focused toward fixing (or eliminating) all negative feeling they experience in their environment. The high functioning Pisces men I have known, have a full bodied sensitivity. They are unable to differentiate the experiencer from the experience. In a way, Pisces has much better control of their Neptunian nature, because it is an essential element of their individual expression. Neptune conjoined the Sun is ignited with a dramatic or cartoon-like exaggeration. In fact, since I was about 15, my ability to see auras and energy has only been paralleled by one other person and he is a Pisces. Both of us feel people so deeply that we actually see visual pattern changes around them when their feelings fluctuate or when they talk to their self in their head. These patterns look like energetic cartoon colors and shapes. That's a whoooole other story though. Regarding Art and Romance, I have always had a gift for both, but my Pisces friend was never oriented toward physically manifesting art. He was however, much more mature when it came to understanding love and beauty. It's as if he had beauty and love in the core of his being and he was just aching for his environment to mirror those forces within him. I had to meet him before I was capable of understanding how beauty and love manifest in my paradigm. I guess the easiest way to say it is Pisces has a Neptunian nature, he has Neptune in his blood and can control it's energy as easy as he can control his self. Sun/Neptune brings together both planet's individual blessings and baggage. Both planets are distinctive, but bound to function together in any matter that concerns either planet. The Sun may desire to shine clearly, but it's blazing rays diffuse into a prismatic warmth through the surrounding fog. Neptune may want to retreat somewhere hidden, but there is no place to vanish when you have a blinding fireball in your chest. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted September 03, 2011 08:06 AM
What would be modified if the Sun conjunct Neptune had the NN conjunct the whole thing?
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Xiiro
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posted September 03, 2011 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What would be modified if the Sun conjunct Neptune had the NN conjunct the whole thing?
Thanks!
If NN were added to the mix, I believe any Sun/Neptune activity would be accompanied with a feeling of path fulfillment. The native would feel as though they were truly expressing their potential or learning to connect with their potential whenever they experienced unconditional being. They may also feel challenged to be who they are for the rest of the world. The SN opposition could inspire the native to be less understanding of the Sun/Neptune experience, retreating into the habitual energy of whatever the SN Sign/House themes are. In the example of Sagittarius, it's possible their may also arise a struggle between trusting the Sun/Neptune theme and needing things to be more mental, defined, recorded, and less nebulous. (Gemini SN). I could see Gemini calling the Sun/Neptune toward insistence on only being aware of empathy toward those they consider a friend. This may also inspire friend collection in stead of an exclusive attitude. On a high spectrum this person, coming from a habitual space of mental orientation and communicative nature, would be challenged to leave behind the comforts of Gemini and utilize its many skills toward expansion and evolution of one's growing individuality. The key to unlocking the persons full potential would lay in their ability to unconditionally experience their environment. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 03, 2011 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What would be modified if the Sun conjunct Neptune had the NN conjunct the whole thing?
Thanks!
Inclination to doing something unique with their conj that would put them in the public eye. Feeling they have a special destiny they have to fulfill. A person who has a lot of influence. With Neptune they could be some deluded preacher or someone capable of something needed by the collective in their lifetime.
Keep in mind a bumblebee could've popped out at the same exact second at the same location so it's all what someone does with their chart. I mean you're asking for possibilities but you're not telling us how this person is using their chart.
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Ceridwen
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posted September 03, 2011 06:19 PM
I have Neptune exact conjunct NN, but Sun is not part of it, so I guess I do not qualify.  IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 03, 2011 07:24 PM
^ Outer planet exact conj NN, quite rare, I would def say you have something to contribute here.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted September 04, 2011 06:34 AM
Well, I could contribute my Neptune, but then àgain I`d like to keep it. 
Must be more pronounced for people with Sun conjunct it I guess. Though having said that I remember that my ASC is only 3 degree away, and Mars 5 degrees.
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posted September 04, 2011 11:19 AM
Just from experience, all the Pisces Sun's I know are pretty grounded sensible individuals. I know they have a reputation to be all dreamy and floating around with their head in the clouds. But maybe the ones I know probably have other more grounding planets.The one Sun conjunct Neptune person I know is a Sag and he is one of the most deluded people I know. He is so self unaware and can't look at himself objectively. HE is a child that will never grow up. Not making generalizations on all of them, just sharing my one experience. IP: Logged |
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