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posted September 06, 2011 04:20 AM            

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Tonight I am wondering about something. I looked at a chart of an old school peer of mine who committed suicide in 1998. I looked to see if there was anything in the chart and found nothing really - though what I did see was all these trines and sextiles in his chart and just 1 square Mercury and Pluto. But other than that all was easy aspects.

I wonder if the lack of aspects would show a person who takes the easy way out of things in life?

I have a bunch of squares and oppositions in my chart and I find that I work through my struggles etc,,,,,,I just wonder if there is a difference and how one deals with life etc......any insights would be appreciated.

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posted September 06, 2011 08:17 PM            

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Hi insideintrovert,

Thanks for posting your observations. I have more squares, oppositions and conjuncts myself than I have trines and sextiles and I too tend to work through my struggles. The idea of committing suicide, even if I feel like I want to die, is something that I would NEVER pursue because I see it as a way of leaving this world like a wuss. The way I see it life really is short so I might as well stick it out and die trying to overcome hurdles.

It would be really interesting to conduct a research study to test your hypothesis on the correlation of charts predominantly trines and sextiles and suicide.

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posted September 06, 2011 09:08 PM            

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Interesting... Im wondering if she was having some very hard transits going on, and since she had mostly easy aspects, she didn't know how to deal with the "harder" times.

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posted September 06, 2011 10:40 PM            

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I have wondered about this... b/c I have a friend that her sister committed suicide at 18. But, the sister's chart only had hard aspects... except one Jupiter trine Venus.

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posted September 06, 2011 11:39 PM            

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Interesting... Im wondering if she was having some very hard transits going on, and since she had mostly easy aspects, she didn't know how to deal with the "harder" times.

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Good Theory.

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posted September 07, 2011 02:00 AM            

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There are some books on suicide in the chart, True Crime Astrology: Famous Murders and Suicides, The Astrology of Death, Suicide: Astrology explains why it happens. I haven't read them but I'm sure they're interesting.

"since she had mostly easy aspects, she didn't know how to deal with the "harder" times"
---I've heard this before, related to people who have v.easy, maybe that's not the right word, charts that have lack of adverse aspects.
The suicide category on Astrodatabank if you want to do research.

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posted September 07, 2011 05:13 AM            

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Yep, for those with a lack of hard aspects there is always an easy way out.

A person i know only has one opposition (moon opp venus con neptune). He doesn't need to work, always gets money from grandmom or other female relatives(moon in 8th). He sees no need for having goals in his life since he already gets what he needs (he even got a car). On the other hand he cannot get in a relationship.

No effort, no gain right? Either way, he will always be lucky and will have an easier life no matter what. Maybe not as successful.

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posted September 07, 2011 05:24 AM            

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Another thing.

This guy also said that he's wants to kill himself just because he doesn't know what to do with his life.
I can't blame him, if you didn't work for something, how can that give you any satisfaction. It isn't the fruit of your labour - coming form a capricorn moon, this is important issue for me at least.

The problem isn't in the lack of opportunities, but the constant presence of easier ways. Or the chances to avoid struggle.

I have 5 squares, when i look at them, i couldn't avoid any of them. They all manifested and put me into trouble and/or hard work.

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posted September 07, 2011 05:27 AM            

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There was a girl (college student) on this forum before and her chart had just grand trines, mostly (or all of them?) in Fire. And if I'm not mistaken her parents died while she was still young in some kind of boating accident, but she claimed to be always optimistic and never the type to let anything get to her. Very beautiful and sparkly look to her.
I don't remember if she was posting here because she was undergoing difficult transits, that might have been the case. But she stayed here only long enough to get a good free chart reading and then 'poof.' You know how for some new people here it takes them eons to get attn (so some of them say) and with others it seems like people clamor to them..guess which type she was.

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posted September 07, 2011 05:31 AM            

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insideintrovert, post his/her chart if you like so we can at least see what you're looking at. Or post birth info and I can post the chart. And also date of death if you have it.

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posted September 07, 2011 11:53 AM            

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Suicide =\= "easy way out." Maybe your teacher was going through a difficult transit, one that was hard to deal with. They don't have a precedence for it in theirnatal charts so the tension was too much.

I don't have very many hard aspects (only Venus square Saturn and Uranus). Some transits are very difficult to deal with. My astro twin (only born 20 minutes before me) killed himself during a Pluto square Venus/conjunct Saturn/Uranus transit. It was a difficult time for me as well, but I had more support from other people.

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posted September 07, 2011 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I would NEVER pursue because I see it as a way of leaving this world like a wuss.

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I have found this to be a self-defense mechanism for Mr and Mrs Ego.

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posted September 09, 2011 02:42 AM            

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I love to be with people who have mostly easy aspect in their chart. They feels so easy. Every chart are an gift and brings so many possibilities if we want.

People who take their own life have other problems. They are not healthy on some way or take drugs. They have lose their control.

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posted September 09, 2011 04:08 AM            

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I had a quick glance at some of the suicide charts, and to play devils advocate I looked for examples of people that had committed suicide but had the crown jewel of all harmonious aspects in their charts - "Sun trine Moon" (A typical interpretation : - You have a good balance between your ego and your emotions. Your inner balance will lead you to act with tranquility and moderation, and you will accomplish the things that you set yourself to do without many problems. You will feel secure, firm and stable with the decisions you make.)

I thought I would not find any hits with this aspect which is often considered to "cancel out" other bad influences in the chart, but surprisingly there were at least 12 that had a close trine between the luminaries - some of these people were murderer/suicides, none of them very "balanced" at all. - Stephane Bohain, Martin Borman, Andrew Cuanan, Dave Duerson, Dave Garroway, Tom Graeff, Adolf Hitler, Ivar Kreugar, Savannah (a porn star), John Victor Stoen, Marci Thibault, Georg Trakl.

Suppose it just goes to show you can't look at one aspect in isolation.

Just by glancing quickly through the complete list, it was clear that there was a huge variety of aspect patterns - in some charts there were virtually no hard aspects, others were full of them; some had lots of aspects, some had very few; in some all the planets were squashed together, in others they were widely spaced - so it was difficult to say which was more prevalent. There seemed to be just as many grand trines as t-squares, although I only noticed one grand cross. Most seemed to have a non-descript mix of "good" and "bad" aspects. One thing I did notice was that a disproportionally large number of the charts did seem to have their sun in an adjacent sign to their moon (semisextile).

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posted September 09, 2011 04:55 AM            

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TY Taineberry that was an interesting read. I've heard it asserted that Sun trine Moon people were also better looking than avg and it's ascribed to that balance you wrote of.

"One thing I did notice was that a disproportionally large number of the charts did seem to have their sun in an adjacent sign to their moon (semisextile)."
---Can you comment on this regarding psychology or mental state?

I saw on the list astrologer Richard Idemon killed himself due to wanting to end suffering from disease, ruler of 6th in 12th inconjunct ruler of the 8th. I saw a similar pattern, just looking briefly, with those whose suicides were due to being sick of their physical illness, a connection between 8th and 6th. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ideman%2C_Richard

This one I thought was really interesting, in the bio his daughter killed herself which led him toward depression and simultaneously he heard news of his lung cancer spreading. V.sick and close to death he killed himself same way his daughter did. His chart actually spooked me. Ruler of 8th in the 1st inconjunct Uranus ruler of the 6th (also placed in the 6th). His 5th house ruler (children) is Saturn which is conjunct his 8th house ruler (Mars) in his 1st inconjunct his Uranus. His Mars/Saturn conjunction is square to Pluto. I saw that H5 ruler connection and it gave me shivers. It must have been devastating. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Keith%2C_Brian

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posted September 09, 2011 07:55 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Taineberry:
[B]I had a quick glance at some of the suicide charts, and to play devils advocate I looked for examples of people that had committed suicide but had the crown jewel of all harmonious aspects in their charts - "Sun trine Moon" (A typical interpretation : - You have a good balance between your ego and your emotions. Your inner balance will lead you to act with tranquility and moderation, and you will accomplish the things that you set yourself to do without many problems. You will feel secure, firm and stable with the decisions you make.)

My nephew has this aspect, and is a pure sunshine personality. Everyone is attracted to him, and there's never any hidden motives/ inner difficulties that can be sensed. He says what he means and means wha he says and is always happy. It is very infectious, and that's why people love him.

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posted September 10, 2011 11:04 PM            

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insideintrovert, post his/her chart if you like so we can at least see what you're looking at. Or post birth info and I can post the chart. And also date of death if you have it.

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January 16, 1971 114W 51N Unknown birth time.
July 13, 1998

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posted September 13, 2011 12:39 AM            

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O darn on the unknown time...

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