posted September 17, 2011 01:15 PM            

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Do You Think This Psychic Is Cute?

posted September 17, 2011 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
umm...well, i fall into this category. i wont go into detail..i'll take that to the grave. but, the aspects i think contribute are...my Pisces mars...square Uranus. Scorp venus trine mars..

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posted September 17, 2011 04:14 PM            

It's possible the uncontrolled energy of sexual playfulness mixed with a desire to reach out and connect with someone you love, can act as fertile ground for unhealthy sexual desires.

posted September 17, 2011 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I have noticed Pisces with overactive sex drive. The person I have in mind is a Pisces with a lot of Aries. Come to think of it, water with strong fire could be indicative. My father was a Scorpio with strong Sag influences and he sexually abused my sister. He was also sexually abused as a child and his father (also a Scorpio) was a sexual abuser as well.

Can you look at his Nessus and Dejanera?

It's possible the uncontrolled energy of sexual playfulness mixed with a desire to reach out and connect with someone you love, can act as fertile ground for unhealthy sexual desires.

Being a male in a line of male abusers, I can definitely feel the energy in my genes. I am fortunate enough to be able to observe the energy without feeling a need to participate in it however.

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posted September 17, 2011 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Can you look at his Nessus and Dejanera?

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Hey Ami,

His Nessus is Aries 28 (not positive about his birth time so house is unknown). It sextiles Jupiter in Aquarius with a 5 degree orb. Most interestingly, His Nessus is Square Pluto in Leo (though it's the same element) by 2 degrees and quincunx Venus in Sagittarius (same element) by 3 degrees.

His Dejanira is Libra 03, which is conjunct Mars by a 6 degree orb. It is quincunx Nessus by 5 degrees, sextile Venus/Mercury by 1 degree, and sextile pluto by 2 degrees.

Venus/Mercury and Dejanira/Mars Sextile and both make a weak (almost unmentionable) quincunx to Nessus. This would be a Yod if the allowed orbs were very wide.

posted September 17, 2011 07:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Hey Ami,

His Nessus is Aries 28 (not positive about his birth time so house is unknown). It sextiles Jupiter in Aquarius with a 5 degree orb. Most interestingly, His Nessus is Square Pluto in Leo (though it's the same element) by 2 degrees and quincunx Venus in Sagittarius (same element) by 3 degrees.

His Dejanira is Libra 03, which is conjunct Mars by a 6 degree orb. It is quincunx Nessus by 5 degrees, sextile Venus/Mercury by 1 degree, and sextile pluto by 2 degrees.

Venus/Mercury and Dejanira/Mars Sextile and both make a weak (almost unmentionable) quincunx to Nessus. This would be a Yod if the allowed orbs were very wide.

Hope this helps your research.

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Find out about his victim. I bet anything, it conjuncts major things.

posted September 17, 2011 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I think you have to be really careful with this kind of thing and naming off aspects, signs and placements because then you'll get people going around tagging others they don't even know as pedophiles, based on their charts.

I refuse to participate in something like that. Especially when, even if it were possible to pinpoint something like that in a chart, having a certain aspect doesn't mean it's guaranteed to manifest that way in every individual who has it.

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I have to apologize, as I generally expect others to engage topics on this forum with an understanding that Astrology functions based on the individual circumstances in which it is found. What may indicate negative patterns for one person, may well be the same condition which helps a person save the world.

Let me be clear to anyone who reads anything I post. I try hard to never post from an accusatory perspective, or a view stating "anyone with certain astrological conditions is "destined", "cursed", or even "blessed" to fulfill a pattern identical to anyone else". To me Astrology is like paint and we use it to paint our own unique pictures. To make definitive comments regarding a certain astrological arrangement, is as ridiculous to me as stating, "All mostly red paintings are sad". It just doesn't translate into my personal experience of astrology. I have studied Astrology long enough to not only understand its flexibility, but the intensity with which people are capable of believing they may be a victim of it's negative possibilities. For that I apologize if anyone took offense or felt personally attacked.

With that said, I have always enjoyed the exploration opportunity these forums provide their users. For fear of sounding too Aquarian, as long as everyone is mature, people should be free to exchange information and explore taboo topics. We all struggle with our own conditions and if sharing information about taboo topics helps someone in their own life, then the conversation is worth it. I do however agree it is important for people to understand that Astrology applies to people differently. Both Adolf Hitler and "The Rock" are Taurus Sun/Capricorn Moon/Libra ASC, and both are very different people.

posted September 17, 2011 09:00 PM            

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No matter what is in your birth chart, you always have choice.

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posted September 17, 2011 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Find out about his victim. I bet anything, it conjuncts major things.

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posted September 17, 2011 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
His Dejanira is conjunct her Uranus 3rd house and his Nessus is conjunct her MC. Pretty interesting Ami.

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Was there anything going from HER chart to his?

posted September 17, 2011 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
I have to apologize, as I generally expect others to engage topics on this forum with an understanding that Astrology functions based on the individual circumstances in which it is found. What may indicate negative patterns for one person, may well be the same condition which helps a person save the world.

Let me be clear to anyone who reads anything I post. I try hard to never post from an accusatory perspective, or a view stating "anyone with certain astrological conditions is "destined", "cursed", or even "blessed" to fulfill a pattern identical to anyone else". To me Astrology is like paint and we use it to paint our own unique pictures. To make definitive comments regarding a certain astrological arrangement, is as ridiculous to me as stating, "All mostly red paintings are sad". It just doesn't translate into my personal experience of astrology. I have studied Astrology long enough to not only understand its flexibility, but the intensity with which people are capable of believing they may be a victim of it's negative possibilities. For that I apologize if anyone took offense or felt personally attacked.

With that said, I have always enjoyed the exploration opportunity these forums provide their users. For fear of sounding too Aquarian, as long as everyone is mature, people should be free to exchange information and explore taboo topics. We all struggle with our own conditions and if sharing information about taboo topics helps someone in their own life, then the conversation is worth it. I do however agree it is important for people to understand that Astrology applies to people differently. Both Adolf Hitler and "The Rock" are Taurus Sun/Capricorn Moon/Libra ASC, and both are very different people.

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Yeah, but honestly - we all know that most novice astrologers take stuff like this and then apply it to all people; stereotyping and generalizing is rampant in the online astrology community. Even with all the disclaimers, I don't think things are really going to go much differently.

posted September 17, 2011 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Was there anything going from HER chart to his?

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Her Dejanira is conjunct exactly her Chiron and close to his Saturn. It's also opposed his Mars and Dejanira exactly.

posted September 17, 2011 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Yeah, but honestly - we all know that most novice astrologers take stuff like this and then apply it to all people; stereotyping and generalizing is rampant in the online astrology community. Even with all the disclaimers, I don't think things are really going to go much differently.

I'm an Aquarius ascendant (and south node), and I have Uranus conjunct the MC. I'm all about personal freedom and freedom of speech - usually. But even I can acknowledge that there's some times where all that does more harm than good.

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I agree with you regarding younger astrologers, in fact I believe it may be an essential stage for a lot of astrologers to experience on their way to understanding how astrology works. I'm still not convinced we should abandon topics of discussion because the information could be misused by less mature practitioners. I can completely understand and identify with the reasons you have chosen to not participate and please understand, I am not suggesting you get involved if you are uncomfortable.

For my self, I am willing to participate. Just as it may be possible for someone to misuse this information, it is equally possible for someone to find the key to resolving their own abuse or their own tendency to abuse. A major energy surrounding sexual abuse is shame. Having grown up around abusers and abused loved ones, I feel it is better to provide a space where people can feel safe, openly exploring their theories on the mechanism of abuse. Not talking about these kinds of topics (even for fear of those who will misuse the information) just leaves people grasping to find their own answers alone.

posted September 17, 2011 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Her Dejanira is conjunct exactly her Chiron and close to his Saturn. It's also opposed his Mars and Dejanira exactly.

Her Nessus is conjunct her Sun and his Moon. Her Nessus is also exactly 30 degrees from his Uranus.

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Her Nessus is conjunct her Sun and his Moon
That is it. She is his perfect victim

The Nessus has to fit. Not everyone is the perfect victim for everyone else.

posted September 18, 2011 12:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

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Her Nessus is conjunct her Sun and his Moon
That is it. She is his perfect victim

The Nessus has to fit. Not everyone is the perfect victim for everyone else.

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posted September 18, 2011 12:28 AM            

Through that destruction we were all able to live lives which would never have been possible had the old patterns continued. After the abuse, my sister was provided a loving home environment in my Aunt's care and though she experienced hard times, she became empowered with an understanding that no matter what happens she will always be able to overcome it.

The abuse forced my father to face is own issues and he is now a completely different person. To this day, my sister and father are supportive and trusting friends. It makes me sad to understand that my sister's victimization was the catalyst for healing my father's cycle of abuse. I am proud of her however, that she is an amazing enough person to see the change in him and forgive all the destruction he inflicted on her.

posted September 18, 2011 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Wow, I just read both archetypes. Nessus is a perfect expression of my father and sister's relationship. His abuse resulted in the destruction of our family and of my sister's innocence.

Through that destruction we were all able to live lives which would never have been possible had the old patterns continued. After the abuse, my sister was provided a loving home environment in my Aunt's care and though she experienced hard times, she became empowered with an understanding that no matter what happens she will always be able to overcome it.

The abuse forced my father to face is own issues and he is now a completely different person. To this day, my sister and father are supportive and trusting friends. It makes me sad to understand that my sister's victimization was the catalyst for healing my father's cycle of abuse. I am proud of her however, that she is an amazing enough person to see the change in him and forgive all the destruction he inflicted on her.

It's interesting to me that Nessus (being another centaur), the archetype of destructive violation resulting in transcendence, is similar to Chiron. All those centaur energies are so shamanic.

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Nessus abuses without thought for the victim; pure selfish abuse.

Deja lays down and takes it without fighting back

posted September 18, 2011 09:34 AM            

His actions were not selfish but vengeful, he was fighting to hurt Hercules who had killed some of the other centaurs. What he did was wrong - but he had his reasons. This has to be taken into account when using the asteroid to dig for answers within the charts. He wounded Hercules through Dejanira and Hercules wounded Nessus through killing his mates.

The theme in Nessus and Dejanira is causing wounding to an innocent because of wounding acquired through seeing others suffer. Nessus was hurt cuz he lost his friends. dejanira ultimately kills hercules through her lack of trust.

Interestingly, dejanira killed hercules through poison which may well be symbolic of her own poisonous feelings.

Symbolically speaking - this says that when we witness the destruction of caring bonds we get vengeful and our own inner victim then kills off their own power because they refuse to trust it. The don't trust power because someone else abused their position of authority.

Chiron never sought vengeance.

Why does no one ever mention Zeus? he was renowned for taking women with force and changing himself into others so his "victims" would think he was someone else.

Sexual deviance will generally show up with aspects between mars/pluto and the 8th house themes. Mars is how we go about getting what we want. So it indicates the methods we use to secure a result.

Hard aspects to the sun and moon from outer planets as well as aspects between the outer planets and venus/mars.