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Topic: Torn about friendships/relationships...Love/Hate and commitment
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 18, 2011 02:00 AM
I don't understand. I feel very torn inside. The people who show the most passion about me are the shyest ones around me. They sometimes act like they don't care, and later confess they're shy. Like they'll ask when will be the next time they see me with this nonchalance, acting like they could care less, or they wait for me to make the move and just hang around me quietly waiting for me to ask them to hang out. (i do the same thing to them..we both just get very shy around each other). These people run up to me shouting my name and hugging me. They seem really excited to see me. And our chemistry is through the roof and we're always hugging each other bc we both feel so affectionate towards the other and they treat me so sweetly abd kindly that i feel like they treat me as if I were a rose petal...so fragile i could tear. But then at the slightest sign of not caring we both withdraw and just decide to ignore each other i guess because we blow the smallest sign of rejection out of proportion in our head. Like if one of us doesnt text the other for a while then we won't textthem again until they text us. It's like we're keeping score of how fair things are between us.On the other hand, with someone with whom the passion aint much there with..if I don't talk to them in a while, instead of withdrawing they'll ask me if i'm mad at them. They'll find it more easy to be vulnerable around me, or to face that i rejected them. And they treat me all the ways someone should treat someoe they care about---on paper. Their tone and way of handling me in person is definitely not the best, but they will not be afraid to take the initiative, to practically beg me to be their friend, to talk about things openly that may cause arguments. It's like because there's less to be afraid about, because we're not really scared of losing the other since we dont care as much, then it's easier to do the "right" things that a friend should do. However i never felt a connection with any of these people. This includes my own best friend right now. She said herself that she's just never felt close to me...yet we've always been there for each other---probably because it is so easy to forgive each other when there are no strong feelings involved. Needless to say, me and the people who i dont really care about have always been there for each other despite having a love/hate relationship and i'm sure secretly hating each other deep down. But i'm not able to have that stability with the ppl i actually care about. My friendships where i was extremely close to that person..we would say i love you to each other all the time and were very affectionate, and i felt truly understood and close to them, have vanished into thin air at the slightest hint of abandon. And i'm tired of the fact that it's sooo much easier to keep a friendship with someone you don't really care about. Damn my life. Anyone else feel like this? IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 03:49 AM
No,the problem I typically have with people is somewhat different; I get a lot of folks who make it clear that they (strongly) dislike me, but rather than keep their distance from me they go out of their way to force some kind of contact or interaction, on me. It's like some kind of weird attraction-repulsion thing.Initially it confused me, but at this point I just pin it on Pluto, which is somewhat strong in my chart. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 18, 2011 04:16 AM
Interesting. Pluto's also strong in my chart. I have sun trine pluto and pluto in the first, ascendant on thr cusp of linra and scorpio practically but it falls on libra, and venus and mars square pluto.I think it's because i'm shy, and i tend to love other shy people. Or maybe everyond is just shy when it comes to love and strong feelings.. Oh, but that is the beauty of love, you see. Shyness renders you helpless, immovable, a muttering fool. It makes you cold, distant, almost like you’re in a faraway land, hesitant, nervous, not yourself. It makes you think every single word you said made you sound like an idiot in front of them. And a smile from them, leaves you falling into an imaginary ditch in the ground, looking down, avoiding their eye contact, so help you God. Insecurity. You never fail to look like you’re absolutely dumb and out of it when you’re around them. Can we say stumbling airheaded ditz? Yet they don’t seem to mind. You overanalyze everything, and are extremely hesitant to show how much you care. Nevermind asking for their number or their facebook info. Oh no, you’d rather die. Yet, with someone you don’t care much about, it’s as easy as pie. You stay behind to talk to them. Content to leave all your friends. And at the slighest hint of abandon, you find yourself surprised by the quick commitment to never talk to them again, because you’d rather have them think you hate them, than have to face the possibility that they never even felt the same. <3 IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 04:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming: Interesting. Pluto's also strong in my chart. I have sun trine pluto and pluto in the first, ascendant on thr cusp of linra and scorpio practically but it falls on libra, and venus and mars square pluto.I think it's because i'm shy, and i tend to love other shy people. Or maybe everyond is just shy when it comes to love and strong feelings.. Oh, but that is the beauty of love, you see. Shyness renders you helpless, immovable, a muttering fool. It makes you cold, distant, almost like you’re in a faraway land, hesitant, nervous, not yourself. It makes you think every single word you said made you sound like an idiot in front of them. And a smile from them, leaves you falling into an imaginary ditch in the ground, looking down, avoiding their eye contact, so help you God. Insecurity. You never fail to look like you’re absolutely dumb and out of it when you’re around them. Can we say stumbling airheaded ditz? Yet they don’t seem to mind. You overanalyze everything, and are extremely hesitant to show how much you care. Nevermind asking for their number or their facebook info. Oh no, you’d rather die. Yet, with someone you don’t care much about, it’s as easy as pie. You stay behind to talk to them. Content to leave all your friends. And at the slighest hint of abandon, you find yourself surprised by the quick commitment to never talk to them again, because you’d rather have them think you hate them, than have to face the possibility that they never even felt the same. <3
Uh...I can't relate to that either loool. I'm pretty direct when I like someone; my brain is kind of hard-wired like a man when it comes to that type of thing. I'm dominant and always approach first or at the very least, say something that makes it obvious that I'm interested. I'm awkward and shy about other things, but not that. IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 05:14 AM
i'm a mixture of directness/ forwardness and then detechment/ aloofness. lotsa mixed signals and ambiguity. no idear why i am so.. taurus sun/ venus?IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 05:19 AM
Sand, I could be you but I'm Aqua rising with Mars in Aqua and Mars sq my Venus natally. I love Taurus ppl; I'm Sag sun and my best friends tend to be Taurus people.  quote: Originally posted by sand: i'm a mixture of directness/ forwardness and then detechment/ aloofness. lotsa mixed signals and ambiguity. no idear why i am so.. taurus sun/ venus?
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 05:23 AM
Run, you sound like me in my 20s. ;-) No idea how old you are btw but it doesn't matter. I think there is a certain "aura" of neediness when you "care" for someone's attention. If you have a strong Pluto, you come across as more intense than you might think so the slightest openness movement might actually frighten some people. When you are "cool", by your standards, this might signal interest to some other people (who are not as intense as you are) so they respond likewise. The best remedy? Find other strong Pluto/Scorpio types to associate with. This will give you the satisfaction of closeness without mixed signals as both parties are intense. quote: Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming: I don't understand. I feel very torn inside. The people who show the most passion about me are the shyest ones around me. They sometimes act like they don't care, and later confess they're shy. Like they'll ask when will be the next time they see me with this nonchalance, acting like they could care less, or they wait for me to make the move and just hang around me quietly waiting for me to ask them to hang out. (i do the same thing to them..we both just get very shy around each other). These people run up to me shouting my name and hugging me. They seem really excited to see me. And our chemistry is through the roof and we're always hugging each other bc we both feel so affectionate towards the other and they treat me so sweetly abd kindly that i feel like they treat me as if I were a rose petal...so fragile i could tear. But then at the slightest sign of not caring we both withdraw and just decide to ignore each other i guess because we blow the smallest sign of rejection out of proportion in our head. Like if one of us doesnt text the other for a while then we won't textthem again until they text us. It's like we're keeping score of how fair things are between us.On the other hand, with someone with whom the passion aint much there with..if I don't talk to them in a while, instead of withdrawing they'll ask me if i'm mad at them. They'll find it more easy to be vulnerable around me, or to face that i rejected them. And they treat me all the ways someone should treat someoe they care about---on paper. Their tone and way of handling me in person is definitely not the best, but they will not be afraid to take the initiative, to practically beg me to be their friend, to talk about things openly that may cause arguments. It's like because there's less to be afraid about, because we're not really scared of losing the other since we dont care as much, then it's easier to do the "right" things that a friend should do. However i never felt a connection with any of these people. This includes my own best friend right now. She said herself that she's just never felt close to me...yet we've always been there for each other---probably because it is so easy to forgive each other when there are no strong feelings involved. Needless to say, me and the people who i dont really care about have always been there for each other despite having a love/hate relationship and i'm sure secretly hating each other deep down. But i'm not able to have that stability with the ppl i actually care about. My friendships where i was extremely close to that person..we would say i love you to each other all the time and were very affectionate, and i felt truly understood and close to them, have vanished into thin air at the slightest hint of abandon. And i'm tired of the fact that it's sooo much easier to keep a friendship with someone you don't really care about. Damn my life. Anyone else feel like this?
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sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 06:27 AM
quote: Originally posted by anongrl10: Sand, I could be you but I'm Aqua rising with Mars in Aqua and Mars sq my Venus natally. I love Taurus ppl; I'm Sag sun and my best friends tend to be Taurus people.
ooh i could see that abit in your placements! yeaah sag-taurus do seem like they'll get along really well as friends. not sure about pardners hehe! i'm pluto dominant after venus that is. i might not be up for that kind of friendship between opposite sexes. though i would consider a friend's really cool gf or someone genuinely awesomely cool but i have 0 attraction for. emphasis on the cool part. edit: come to think of it i think i do have friends like the latter. not new ones but people i've known for almost a decade.
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 06:34 AM
Yeah, it gets complicated when down that path! Not only my Sun in Sag but also my Moon in Taurus loves Taurus Sun too. 
quote: Originally posted by sand: ooh i could see that abit in your placements! yeaah sag-taurus do seem like they'll get along really well as friends. not sure about pardners hehe!
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sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 06:45 AM
hihi oh now i getit! i love moon in tauruses. i've been with a few. they seem to get me without having to splain things and i'm abit on the difficult side of things LOL! aqua rising iz a hella cute rising too! i have juno opp uranus. i read it the other day it sez if there were 20 women in a room and the other 19 were normal i'd marry the one that just escaped from an asylum or just landed from a UFO haha! IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 06:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by sand: hihi oh now i getit! i love moon in tauruses. i've been with a few. they seem to get me without having to splain things and i'm abit on the difficult side of things LOL!
Yep - very nice combination for two people to have their Sun and their Moon conjunct (not just in the same sign). quote: aqua rising iz a hella cute rising too! i have juno opp uranus. i read it the other day it sez if there were 20 women in a room and the other 19 were normal i'd marry the one that just escaped from an asylum or just landed from a UFO haha!
Hahaha! That could well be me as I'm a bit "off the beaten track" for sure. With Mars conj my ASC in Aqua and in trine to my N Uranus, what do you expect?! LOL The weirdest the best! ;-p IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 18, 2011 09:59 AM
Anongirl, i'm actually 22!  wow, i think that makes a lot of sense. Thank you! I didn't think anyone would actually give me a remedy! Lol. IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 10:14 AM
:-) I'm 41 so been there in fact I STILL am there lol... Hard to find strong Pluto/Scorpio people to connect with. My Venus is in my Scorpio but my Mars squares it in aloof (=not intense at all!) Aqua and I feel burnt by the tension sometimes. I am usually attracted by strong Pluto/Scorpio people due to my Venus/MArs/Moon configuration. If they have planets in Taurus (esp. Sun) I feel I can trust them better. quote: Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming: Anongirl, i'm actually 22!  wow, i think that makes a lot of sense. Thank you! I didn't think anyone would actually give me a remedy! Lol.
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sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 10:28 AM
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 18, 2011 11:23 AM
I don't think I am drawn to scorpio/pluto type people at all :/i'm more drawn to fire and air signs than anything. I have a lot of leo and a libra rising. All my personal planets are in air/fire except for sun and mercury. Oh, wait, i am actually drawn to virgos n/m. But they always have a lot of air. Grr..is that bad? I usually draw sags and libras towards me for some reason. Capricorns, taurus, and scorpio too, but i dont really like them. Pisces i have an easier time connecting with. Sag i'm kind of just "eh" about...neutral. Lol. Libras i love . And geminis and aquas, aries, leo, and virgo. IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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posted September 18, 2011 12:38 PM
why would that be bad? you like what you like. the fire and airs are hard to pin down tho hehe! mutability is okay in my book coz i'm so fixed and hard headed. i look up to cardinals astrologically. elements i have no preference really. almost anyone is fine as a friend as long as they're chill but i know my 11th house virgo would be a little exclusive on some criteria i have that is totally subjective. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 18, 2011 02:36 PM
Well, see? Exactly. It would be bad cuz people who are hard to pin down are bad for me...it's like these shy people. You never know if they're going to stop talking to you for the slightest sign that i've lost interest in them.IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 19, 2011 05:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by anongrl10: Sand, I could be you but I'm Aqua rising with Mars in Aqua and Mars sq my Venus natally. I love Taurus ppl; I'm Sag sun and my best friends tend to be Taurus people. 
I'm Aqua rising too and I've never been on good terms with Taurus people, honestly. Most of the people who have tried their absolute damndest to hurt me in some way had something in Taurus, whether their Mars or their Sun....I always chalked it up to having Chiron in Taurus. At this point I really actually prefer NOT to interact much at all with anyone that has something in that sign. I see that and go, "Okay"...and then decide to keep them a safe distance away from me LMAO. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 19, 2011 10:23 AM
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sand Knowflake Posts: 3092 From: Registered: May 2011
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RunAroundScreaming Knowflake Posts: 2593 From: USA Registered: Oct 2010
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posted September 21, 2011 01:34 AM
I have my moon, venus, and mars in leo and I've never been close to a single taurus or scorpio sun in my life...always power struggles and butting heads.But we do understand each other though... it's better than say, an aries might understand me. Yet i've just never been able to get close to one. on the other hand, i've had many aqua, libra, and aries friends. At the end of the day i think i get along best with the signs that gel with both my sun and that dont clash with any of my personal planets. Like, say virgo ...and pisces :0) even capricorn (sometimes) and other cancers. i dont get along very well with leos though...i guess it's what they say that two leos arent good bc they both want to be the leader. IP: Logged |