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Topic: Individuation crisis pluto square pluto
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DayandNight21 Knowflake Posts: 317 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted September 20, 2011 01:48 AM
pluto square pluto is -completely stuck -easier if you have lots of mutable signs -change under great pressurethe last 12 months have been a real slog under this and astro.com says it will end in November, thank goodness. As most of my planets are placed in the transpersonal houses (10,11,12) I could expect it to be difficult as there is no emphasis on identity (1st house) although an aries sun mitigates. However that same aries sun is in positive aspect to neptune and also a very wide orb to pluto and saturn so is definately an outer planetary person (uranus also strong in placidus). To quote marjorie orr below the individuation crisis is about pluto square pluto, tr Neptune square Neptune and tr Uranus opp Uranus - that 36 to 41 year old phase is what Jung called the individuation crisis. Some don't make it across, especially tortured creative types. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21 Knowflake Posts: 317 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted September 20, 2011 01:54 AM
I have made career changes that have definately helped however what worries me is the demands of this transit, one woman asked if I still live at home the other day and I have made my own way the last 19 years! Some people cannot handle others being warm/nice so have to ask provocative questions. This is an example of how a personal planet person will ask what seems a perfectly reasonable question to them to an outer planetary person who just thinks grow up plus the outer has his mind on global or broader concerns out in the world!IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 87 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted September 20, 2011 02:17 AM
quote: Originally posted by DayandNight21: Some people cannot handle others being warm/nice so have to ask provocative questions. This is an example of how a personal planet person will ask what seems a perfectly reasonable question to them to an outer planetary person who just thinks grow up plus the outer has his mind on global or broader concerns out in the world![/B]
Not sure what you mean by this? What you just described is an outer-planet trait. Uranians/Aquarians have an innate tendency towards shaking things up (although no, it's not just for the hell of it or for attention as is commonly believed), and Uranus is an outer planet. Plutonians/Scorpionic people can be provocative too because they're trying to get to the truth, and Pluto is also an outer planet. If anything, what you described is something you'd see more in an outer planet person than a 'personal-planet' one. I'm kind of speaking from experience here too since :
1.)Most of my planets are in the 7th, 8th and 9th houses 2.)Neptune is prominent in my chart - it's a singleton, located in the 11th house and trines my sun, sextiles my moon and squares my Venus. 3.)Pluto is conjunct my Moon,parallels my venus and quintiles my Mercury. 4.)My Ascendant is Aquarius; so is my south node, which is located in the 12th house. Uranus is my chart ruler, conjuncts my midheaven, quintiles my Venus and is contraparallel my Mercury. If you think Saturn (another outer planet) actually rules Aquarius, then that's my chart ruler and it's exalted and sextiles my Mercury, squares my Mars, conjuncts Jupiter, trines my ascendant and sextiles my midheaven. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21 Knowflake Posts: 317 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted September 20, 2011 01:55 PM
Thanks for your response. You could be right that it is the other way round as in that is what an OPP would say and she could have been one herself. Who knows?I do think the quadrants are important too, such as having some in the 5th/6th/7th shows a social slant to the personality and 10th/11th/12th is interested in the cosmos, global affairs, big concerns of the world. This is obviously very brief here, the point being someone with the planets in the quadrant I have and the quadrant you have will have viewpoints, interests and focuses that could be diverse and interesting. What one person may see as a friendly question another may feel is out of order (cause it should be so obvious to them they do not need to ask such questions or it is rude etc). Also level of intelligence will come into this too. Would not want to go through pluto square pluto again and hope there is not another, only feel like saturn return was just a few years ago. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2011 03:36 PM
I'm a semi-tortured creative type, and I've got Pluto square Pluto - it's heading back for another exact square to both that and Jupiter. There are times when I feel grounded, fine, and dare I say it..? Happy? I'm finding peace in small moments - in between the craziness.. although I don't like to think of it as just getting used to having things taken away from me.
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teasel Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 20, 2011 03:42 PM
I liked my Saturn Return, for the most part. Pluto is in my third, squaring natal Pluto in 11th or 12th.. and why is that Pluto in the 11th just hitting me now in relation to specific situations? I'm having a big slap on the forehead, "d'oh!" moment. I've been more defensive - much more so - when dealing with others, and had wondered if it was Pluto's transiting my third house, since it's a communication-related house, but that square to an eleventh house planet ties into it. As does Saturn in the twelfth, stirring up issues. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21 Knowflake Posts: 317 From: Registered: May 2010
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posted September 21, 2011 02:51 AM
My saturn return got me out of a relationship I should never have got into so saturn can be a friend. It was also a very hard time filled with challenges and it was well past the age of 32 they all got resolved (for me the saturn return is 29-32).Good to hear you Teasel had a good experience of saturn return and interesting to hear your experience of pluto square pluto especially with the houses affected. Mine is 4th and 7th and have noticed changes in my behaviour, a lot of stuff I would put up with in the past I refuse to now although am polite about it. Went on a communication and boundaries course and that made me more aware of where and when people were being ok and not ok in relationships and family. IP: Logged |
teasel Knowflake Posts: 3182 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 21, 2011 03:24 AM
My sister bought me a book last Christmas, that was something to do with confrontation (and dealing with those situations well). I still haven't read it, though. I usually still remain polite, but I've been more aggressive and coarse in ways. When I'm feeling okay, I'll notice it and adjust, but when I'm in a bad way, and I think someone's messing with me, I hit a danger zone that's new to me. IP: Logged |