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britterfly
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posted September 23, 2011 01:45 PM
  
scroll down a bit to see her chart.. http://www.astrotheme.com/carte.php?clef=A4xbfw7yH84s&initialiser=1
I don't see anything indicative of the huge, fast rise to fame she has experienced. Does anyone see anything?
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 23, 2011 02:12 PM
Because it hasn't been a huge fast rise for her. I think she was writing songs for other artists for years before she released an album of her own? Not sure.IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 23, 2011 02:24 PM
So you don't agree that she's extremely famous and it happened at a rather young age? She's only in her early 20's. I personally don't know of many people who have a similar story.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted September 23, 2011 02:31 PM
The bugaboo is her tob. Astrotheme used to have it at 9:30am basing it on a conviction that her Moon was 12 Scorpio and now it's 10:55pm.
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 24, 2011 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by britterfly:
So you don't agree that she's extremely famous and it happened at a rather young age? She's only in her early 20's. I personally don't know of many people who have a similar story.
Yes, she's extremely popular right now. Yes, she's pretty young. But no, she's not an overnight celebrity. Lots of other artists because really popular in their 20s or even younger, that's not a new concept, actually it's common. It's more unusual to see someone become a star in their 30s or later. IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 24, 2011 09:27 AM
Geeze BP. Your name suits you. Lady Gaga's rise to fame was extremely abrupt. I do agree though that she has been alive for longer than she has been famous and therefore most likely doing artistic things, but she became extremely famous out of total obscurity very quickly. If you disagree, so be it. That wasn't the point of my post AT ALL. I was hoping to learn more about astrology by discovering how her chart correlates to her life story. IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 24, 2011 09:29 AM
Thank you, Lonake. That would explain quite a bit.IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 26, 2011 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by britterfly:
Geeze BP. Your name suits you. Lady Gaga's rise to fame was extremely abrupt. I do agree though that she has been alive for longer than she has been famous and therefore most likely doing artistic things, but she became extremely famous out of total obscurity very quickly. If you disagree, so be it. That wasn't the point of my post AT ALL. I was hoping to learn more about astrology by discovering how her chart correlates to her life story.
No, I'm not trying to be 'contrary', here and it's not about disagreement; it's about facts, right and wrong. Google her. She's not an overnight star by any means and was actually behind the scenes for a long time, penning songs for other musicians before she finally released her own CD and had a hit song. This isn't a case of someone who flew to LA or New York and a couple months later was at the top of the pop charts. And yes, astrologically all this IS relevant because you said she had a quick rise to fame and then tried to say that's apparent in the natal chart, which it can't be because that isn't what actually happened in her life. So either the chart is wrong (which is entirely possible, I know her birth time is still up for debate), or your interpretation is wrong, or both. So basically we're looking for a chart that reflects her actual experience in the music industry, the years she put in before she even got to work for a record company, then the years spent writing for other acts, before she recorded her own music. One of the most fundamental things you need to learn about interpreting the chart of someone in the public eye, is to actually know what you're talking about and do some research into the person's life before you go looking at a chart. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted September 26, 2011 01:17 AM
I think what Britterfly means is that Lady Gaga just appeared out of no where. She wasn't an underground star like say, LMFAO, My Chemical Romance or The Used or whatever, before her first radio hit.I would look at her progressions for the year 2008 and see what shows up... although I'm not sure about that birthtime up there. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 26, 2011 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
I think what Britterfly means is that Lady Gaga just appeared out of no where. She wasn't an underground star like say, LMFAO, My Chemical Romance or The Used or whatever, before her first radio hit.I would look at her progressions for the year 2008 and see what shows up... although I'm not sure about that birthtime up there.
Actually - that's not true either. Gaga was already performing in small underground clubs and had a fledgling fanbase before "Just Dance" was even recorded and hit the radio. She's mentioned as much in passing in some of her early interviews.
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RedScorp
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posted September 26, 2011 02:49 AM
I read before about a Pluto transit conjuct her Mars around the time she became suddenly and fabulously famous.Now I shall listen to some o' her tunez, yo'! IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 27, 2011 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
No, I'm not trying to be 'contrary', here and it's not about disagreement; it's about facts, right and wrong. Google her. She's not an overnight star by any means and was actually behind the scenes for a long time, penning songs for other musicians before she finally released her own CD and had a hit song. This isn't a case of someone who flew to LA or New York and a couple months later was at the top of the pop charts. And yes, astrologically all this IS relevant because you said she had a quick rise to fame and then tried to say that's apparent in the natal chart, which it can't be because that isn't what actually happened in her life. So either the chart is wrong (which is entirely possible, I know her birth time is still up for debate), or your interpretation is wrong, or both. So basically we're looking for a chart that reflects her actual experience in the music industry, the years she put in before she even got to work for a record company, then the years spent writing for other acts, before she recorded her own music. One of the most fundamental things you need to learn about interpreting the chart of someone in the public eye, is to actually know what you're talking about and do some research into the person's life before you go looking at a chart.
She became famous, out of total obscurity, "over night", as they say. If you don't think so, then you are mistaken. Being involved in the arts does not equate to fame. I know of many artists, who make their money through artistic means, who are not famous. This seems pretty simple to me. IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 27, 2011 08:19 AM
Performing in underground nightclubs also does not make one famous. I am talking about being known the world over. Shoot, if performing in an underground nightclub means you're famous, there are LOTS of unheard of celebrities running around these days!IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted September 27, 2011 10:49 AM
Whoa now britterfly. You won't be able to convince him otherwise. I agree with you, though, she did come from obscurity into a great fame in a supah short period of time.But BP over there doesn't agree. Personally, I don't like how he is really...I dunno, direct? Really "no, you're wrong" kinda thing... EDIT! Turns out BP is she...or at least I think. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted September 27, 2011 11:44 AM
Performing in underground clubs does make you famous, but only in the small area that you perform in. Just like someone down the pub can be a celebrity - a local one. I guess this all depends on the meaning of the word. If 'celebs' are insulted by this, that would tell you a lot about them.With Sag rising, you look at Jupiter and Venus in transit to each natal position. The release of her latest album (Born this way) shows t.\Jupiter conjunct n. Venus, with t.Venus separating sextile to n.Jupiter. A low combined orb. The combined orb for the first album is around -90 degrees. Natally, Jupiter and Venus (1st and 11th rulers)are in a sextile aspect. The t.Jupiter conjunct n.Venus aspect for the last album shows that she has had her peak astrologically, and it could reflect in real life, by saying that there is no higher that she can go. With Jupiter taking 12 years to travel the zodiac, that fame will be back around in no time. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted September 27, 2011 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Performing in underground clubs does make you famous, but only in the small area that you perform in. Just like someone down the pub can be a celebrity - a local one. I guess this all depends on the meaning of the word. If 'celebs' are insulted by this, that would tell you a lot about them.With Sag rising, you look at Jupiter and Venus in transit to each natal position. The release of her latest album (Born this way) shows t.\Jupiter conjunct n. Venus, with t.Venus separating sextile to n.Jupiter. A low combined orb. The combined orb for the first album is around -90 degrees. Natally, Jupiter and Venus (1st and 11th rulers)are in a sextile aspect. The t.Jupiter conjunct n.Venus aspect for the last album shows that she has had her peak astrologically, and it could reflect in real life, by saying that there is no higher that she can go. With Jupiter taking 12 years to travel the zodiac, that fame will be back around in no time.
I agree, I lived in NYC when Gaga was underground and her Global fame was definitely an overnight thing. It just happens that way, it's not to say that she didn't work hard to get where she is just that the fame hit the world like a tornado. She was in college before she blew up so things kind of happen when their supposed to. Take Cat Power for instance, she was doing her thing all through the 90s but hit Global fame in the past 5 years. She even discusses that in interviews. A lot of her most famous songs were written over 10 years ago but mainstream media has only just accepted her within the past few years. Which to me is fine the less the industry tries to consume them and destroy them the more authentic they remain and they don't risk becoming a product of the industry. I used to like Gaga when she was underground but I no longer like her more recent music. I worry she's becoming a product of the industry even though that's the exact opposite of what she claims she stands for. IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 27, 2011 10:02 PM
Coffee, thank you, that was helpful. I was looking at the charts of several very famous people, and found many correlations between their charts. No correlation with Lady Gaga's chart, which I thought was strange.Here is one that I thought was just fantastic, and exactly what one would expect of such an iconic figure as Jerry Garcia :
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/r2g2cxuZ3HD8.htm Just LOOK at those aspects! I especially like the MC ruler in the sixth house. He was all about it.  IP: Logged |
Anjellyfish
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posted September 28, 2011 08:05 PM
Lady Gaga was an underground artist before she "abruptly became famous" and did a lot of tracks with Lady Starlight, not to mention she performed at Lollapalooza...a TON of her old songs before she become a famous artist are on youtube (and probably itunes) besides that she performed in burlesques, go-go dancing shows and other stuff, and did DJ'ing, plus she studied at NYU. She also wrote songs for artists like Britney Spears and New Kids On The Block before she made it big. I think her rise to fame is also attributed to her "persona" she adopted (totally different person and way of dressing prior to striking it big, although still same personality), and Lady Gaga is 25..ish, although some sources claim she lied about her age to appeal more to record companies, and is 27 or something. Anyways, thought I would like to point out some errors.IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted September 28, 2011 09:41 PM
Lady Gaga wasn't known as the big superstar "Lady Gaga" before about what... 2009? I'm not talking about things she did before she was famous. I'm talking about her abrupt rise to international fame. Why is this so difficult to understand? Doing artistic things and being successful at it does not make one world famous. Writing songs for Britney Spears was likely a big stepping stone helping her get to where she is now, but she was not the big super star when she was writing songs for other people. I don't understand why people aren't getting this.IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted November 16, 2011 01:55 PM
I saw her performance on X-factor and found it quite good, so I decided to take a look at her natal chart again.She has Sagittarius rising, with 1st ruler placed in Pisces. This can mean she comes across as a Sagittarius personality (look up Sagittarius rising descriptions) when you meet for the 1st time. Upon getting to know her, her Piscean personality (look up Pisces rising) would show much more. This mask of Sagittarius, and real personality of Pisces don't really complement each other, nor are they at odds with each other. One thing for sure is that the mutuable side of the zodiac heavily influences her. Mutuable signs are said to go along with where the wind leads. A personality which see's what's happening, and adapts to whatever is coming down the way. This isn't really a placement for an innovator, or someone with large amounts of persistence. One of the most notable features of her chart is the MARS at zero degrees Capricorn. As Aries, ruler of Mars, is on the 5th house cusp, her children, if any at all, will be one of the facts linked when you speak of the name Gaga. As Transit Jupiter has gone past conjunction to natal Venus, her work done has gone as high as it can go. So, I wouldn't expect anything as good as she has already released, in terms of music. Still, there are better times to release an album or a single. January is an ideal time to release any more work. This changes to going back a month for every year that passes. She would stand a great chance of releasing a Christmas song, which would go to the top of the charts, within the next 2-3 years. Other than the dates mentioned, times when transit JUPITER is within 5 degrees either side of making a 30 degree aspect to VENUS, is best for releasing something. Work is normally good in terms of being a Sagittarius riser as you have Jupiter aspecting Venus, while also looking at the combined orbs (too complicated to teach) of Jupiter to Venus and Venus to Jupiter. While the peak time in transits has gone, it will be back around in 12 years, and certainly doesn't mean she won't sell as much. Her rise to fame can be seen as the result of the Jupiter transit to natal Venus. Not only do these planets show how her work goes, they also show the level of fame. IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
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posted November 16, 2011 02:10 PM
HI
For the above poster, thanks for giving the insights on her astrology. For me even if she has a focus on mutables she can get persistence elsewhere for instance a saturn in aspect to pluto gives persistence, does she have that? I am in a rush and don't have time to look up her chart again. She complements her mutables with a strong sun in aries (exalted) and a moon conj pluto in scorpio (like a very strong scorpio) so she is a fighter through and through. She fights behind the scenes and upfront. This is going from memory. She is an interesting character for astrology analysis, flying high then into the depths so a bit of a puzzle. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted November 16, 2011 03:19 PM
I look at astrology from a house point of view, which means I don't look at anything that involves the Sun, as personality is house 1. To look for the qualities you speak of, you look at house 1, for personality and make up. That's all. Persistence is a fixed trait, which can be Scorpio/Pluto. 1st ruler Jupiter is in almost exact trine to Pluto.One big feature of her life is the fashion she wears, which is a Virgo/Mercury trait. 1st and 6th rulers are in sextile aspect, though not exact. What is closer is the conjunction of 1st ruler to Mercury. The Piscean part of her personality (sign 1st ruler is in) shows her deep down character to be quite shy, which goes against the extrovert rising sign of Sagittarius. IP: Logged |
tuxedoMask
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posted November 16, 2011 03:47 PM
well, she had jupiter transit pisces before but the only thing that i could maybe think of, is her pluto in her eleventh.. i don't know how that birth time came about but sometimes i wonder.. :/IP: Logged |
RedScorp
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posted November 16, 2011 05:33 PM
Listen to her scream.IP: Logged |
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