posted September 24, 2011 06:31 PM            

I got up to a few things when I was small, but I have Saturn square Jupiter, Pluto and Mercury which might have something to do with my having been more responsible (not that I didn't make the odd stupid mistake, but they weren't anything to do with getting into trouble on purpose). I ditched school when feeling anxious (because I felt ill), and argued with my mother over two specific things: one thing being something in her own life and the fact that I was a messy kid.

I didn't smoke, I barely drank alcohol and wasn't interested in partying, and I wasn't interested in being involved with anyone who would get me into trouble (or get my sister into trouble - we knew one girl who was always looking to either tell on us, or get my sister involved in something that was no good for her). I was always on my sister not to do this or that, because mum wouldn't like it (not that she listened), and had to be responsible because sitters didn't turn up until five minutes before my mother came home, pretending that they'd been there the entire time. I had Saturn transiting my 10th, 11th, 12th, 1st and 2nd throughout my childhood and half my teen years, and I think it shows. I didn't display my teen angst, or get into trouble, and dropped out of school because the teachers wouldn't take care of something, and I wanted to work at home (Saturn transiting the 3rd). Never had an interest in bad boys, because they only meant trouble, not only for me, but my family by extension.

posted September 24, 2011 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
I never thought that I had to get into trouble to have fun

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posted September 24, 2011 06:52 PM            

Your childhood in parts resembles mine. My upbringing in general was pretty PG but I got exposed to many things, circumstantially. I have prominent Saturn in my natal chart, mostly aspects and my father is heavy Saturn as well so our household was oppressively restricted. Ironically he is an Aquarius and Scientist who was never around however his iron fist over the household had such an influence on all of us that it was too discomforting to imagine the punishments that would result from stepping out of line. He had a horrifying temper and wasn't above degrading you verbally.

posted September 24, 2011 07:02 PM            

I never actually got drunk either... but I did drink 'slightly' just to be social really. I've never smoked or done drugs.
Although, I was not at all afraid of/wary of/skeptical of/critical of --- people who did.
I hung out with VERY different types of people including the druggie types (case in point - my extra Piscean first love & all his drug addicted buddies).. But I didn't get involved in any of the things they were involved with. I was observing more than anything.
I think my Pisces Mercury treats these situations as research projects - because I like knowing things about different people, about their lives and what made them get to the point they are at.

That being said - one particular 'spectrum' of the population does not interest me at all.. not even from a psychological perspective.. and that's 'bad boy' types... because I feel as though I already have them pegged and analysed.
Actually - I should say... I'm actually not interested in the bad-boyish behaviour as such... but obviously if the same person who is a bad boy - had other, more serious, problems in their life - I would still treat them as a fellow human being and listen.

There are other rebellious things I did in school though.
I sometimes simply didn't show up.. but my parents were supportive and they usually took my side.. so the school couldn't do much about my occasional absences.

Basically I had my own schedule in learning & finishing projects... and I wasn't going to work on someone else's schedule.. so if I felt like going to the beach one day rather than school - I would do that.
I didn't care about the rules.
I also didn't wear the uniform properly -- uniforms are a big deal in Australia. Every high school has its own uniform.
I find this uniform business, suffocating of one's individuality... so I simply couldn't go 'with it'.
I also chewed gum a lot LOL -- which apparently was a big problem for some of my teachers... It seems silly hey?
But I got detention for it time and time again... until I convinced them I have an anxiety problem so they couldn't pick on me anymore.
(I'd attribute my unwillingness to obey certain rules to my natal Jupiter square Saturn. The Cap guy I was talking about on the other thread also has this aspect and he is similar to me)

I did some crazy things as well with my two best friends. We went 'bush walking' (which is an aussie thing) in very restricted areas .. and it was nice - actually - it was beautiful - we got to see waterfalls from way highhhh up .. we climbed so high.. but, looking back on it that was really dangerous. I don't know how in the world I even did that.. I'd be really scared to try that now.
(That would just be me being an Aries lol and spurred on by my Aries Mars buddy)

posted September 24, 2011 08:07 PM            

I'm kind of a strange animal, because I've lived both lives (in a sense)...

When I was young, I didn't drink, I didn't smoke, I got straight As. I was a bit of a shut in, except for all of the plays that I performed in. I NEVER skipped class (I thought this was the cardinal rule that you could never break). I always followed the rules. I didn't argue with my teachers until I got to grad school and I realized that the professors were sometimes not as all-knowledgeable as we sometimes thought as kids.

This was the case all the way through high school and into college. I finally started drinking in college, but not until I was well over 21. Actually, what I consider to be my 'party' years were when I was in grad school, and at the end of the week all of my grad school friends were like: "Yeah, we can't take this sh*t anymore, let's go out and have a drink." Even then though, I have only had two instances that were even remotely 'wild' and even then there wasn't anything illegal or improper about them. I just got really trashed.

I actually started enjoying going out to the clubs only because I love dancing. More than anything, I will go out to dance... To ACTUALLY dance, not just the booty grinding stuff. Any type of dance, it really doesn't matter (I salsa dance now). Yet, at the same time I'm hugely outdoorsy and I also really prefer intense intellectual discussions at a coffee house or pub. Doesn't matter. I do it all.

I think part of why I even had the few 'wild' nights that I had was because I felt like I had to understand why people did it. I still haven't smoked, and I still refuse to smoke, though many of my friends do. Ironically, when I was in grad school, I'd always go out into the freezing cold with the smokers on our breaks because they had more interesting discussions than the people who stayed inside. I always joked that I was just hanging out with the 'cool kids' even though I wasn't one.

In any case, I have always had a great sense of responsibility to both myself and to others, and I've always looked at binge anything (drinking, smoking, whatever) as something that I didn't really need to do because there never really seemed to be a point to it in my mind. You could still be silly, fun, daring, etc even when you weren't drunk. It helped that the people I hung out with in undergrad didn't drink and also thought this same way.

Astrologically, I think that because my Saturn/Pluto conjunction sextiles my Sun/MC/Venus conjunction so closely, I've always had a sense of responsibility and self control. Also, my Pluto being in Libra conjunct my Saturn in Scorpio (12th house), I think lent me a deep understanding of the sense of balance that I need to maintain in my life.

So- When I was a kid, I was always called a 'goody two shoes.' When I hit about 25, I was called a 'bad girl' for the first time and it just seemed so oddly out of place to me. There is nothing bad about me. I simply don't conform to what others think the life path 'should' be. I think the perception formed that because I was going out (DANCING) most weekends and that, during the week, I was hanging out with several different groups of people, I was a 'bad girl' who hung out at clubs. Not really the case. It's funny to me that when people only see one side of the story, they try to make a judgement on all sides of your character that they really aren't qualified to make.

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I think my Pisces Mercury treats these situations as research projects - because I like knowing things about different people, about their lives and what made them get to the point they are at.

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posted September 24, 2011 08:09 PM            

Speaking for myself, I’m a Capricorn Sun and the Sun is the only Capricorn placement I have in my chart… however my Saturn is strongly aspected in my chart ( it trines my 1st house Venus, sextiles Jupiter which is ruler of my Sag Asc, and sits at the top of my chart conjunct the MC from the 9th house by about 3 degrees). I was definitely a ‘good kid’ when I was young and never had much interest in smoking, drinking and partying, and I was a good student who always tried to do my best in school. For the most part I tended to live more in my ‘head‘… I was a total daydreamer who loved to read, and also loved music and movies. Because of having both a Cap Sun and a strong Saturn it is hard to tell which is more influential for myself… although I think Saturn is obviously stronger then a Cap Sun alone… I have always identified strongly with being a Cap and it was hard for me to understand other Cap folks who didn’t seem to appreciate the gifts that come with Capricorn…. Like a strong sense of responsibility and level headedness. With those few wild Caps out there that I knew of it was almost like they were ashamed of this part of themselves and really wished that they were something like a Gemini or an Aries instead…. I say embrace the Sun cause that’s where you can really shine, and come alive… some people conflicting aspects to the Sun may have to work to grow into it though.

posted September 25, 2011 09:09 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
The other night, when we were coming back from the animal ER, we all somehow got onto the topic of things that we got up to as kids, and it had my sister exclaiming to me, "Didn't you do anything?!" - which had us rolling with laughter.

I got up to a few things when I was small, but I have Saturn square Jupiter, Pluto and Mercury which might have something to do with my having been more responsible (not that I didn't make the odd stupid mistake, but they weren't anything to do with getting into trouble on purpose). I ditched school when feeling anxious (because I felt ill), and argued with my mother over two specific things: one thing being something in her own life and the fact that I was a messy kid.

I didn't smoke, I barely drank alcohol and wasn't interested in partying, and I wasn't interested in being involved with anyone who would get me into trouble (or get my sister into trouble - we knew one girl who was always looking to either tell on us, or get my sister involved in something that was no good for her). I was always on my sister not to do this or that, because mum wouldn't like it (not that she listened), and had to be responsible because sitters didn't turn up until five minutes before my mother came home, pretending that they'd been there the entire time. I had Saturn transiting my 10th, 11th, 12th, 1st and 2nd throughout my childhood and half my teen years, and I think it shows. I didn't display my teen angst, or get into trouble, and dropped out of school because the teachers wouldn't take care of something, and I wanted to work at home (Saturn transiting the 3rd). Never had an interest in bad boys, because they only meant trouble, not only for me, but my family by extension.

All of this may add up to one incredibly boring individual (to a lot of people), but I never thought that I had to get into trouble to have fun - or get wasted. I was just thinking about that, and wondering if anyone could relate. Although, now that I think about it, my sister is a Cappy, who was born with Saturn in the 5th (from what I remember) and she did whatever she wanted, when she could get away with it.

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I think the fact that you have Jupiter and Saturn in aspect has a LOT to do with that.

I have them conjunct and I'm the same way - if anyone goes looking for skeletons in the closet they won't find any. I was never a partier, druggie, drinker, promiscuous (in fact I'm still a virgin - by choice - and I'm 30).

posted September 25, 2011 02:28 PM            

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Originally posted by moonram:
I am the exact opposite & have gotten into plenty of trouble. I'm only now becoming a responsible adult, and I'm 24 years old. I was a 4.0 student in high school & college, so I'm solid in some areas, but...drugs & alcohol & bad boys & bad girls, yeah. That was my scene from 15-22 for sure.

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