posted September 27, 2011 11:09 PM            

Ive been simi talking to a Sag guy.. But IDK he's weird.. I dont get him..

Typically it says Leo and Sag get along well, but IDK about this one guy...

I dont know his bday, I have asked him but I was drinking and I forgot when he said.. LOL
Anyways we have gone out a few times.. but he just seems on the cold side to me.. As a Leo I dont like that at all...
Im guessing he has some Cap.. HE's a workaholic and he lives at his job...
I rarely call him, and he rarely calls me..
So its kind of like, what ever..

We went out a few times, then neither of his texted each other.. I guess waiting for the other to do it???
After about a month, he texts me and say's what did you forget about me
I said no, Ive just been busy... He then called me...
I said You know I could say back at ya!! He laughed.... He said Im sorry I was out of the country on Vac... I said ahhh cool..

We went out again a week after that.. He just comes across so cold and distant.. It drives me nuts!!
Again neither of us have called the other.. Im not calling him... He's not calling me..

posted September 27, 2011 11:15 PM            

BUT yes I guess Aqua makes sense... He even told me, hey Im really detached, its just the way I am... I didnt ask he just told me that..

posted September 28, 2011 12:10 AM            

He's super super detached.. He comes across as really cold.. At a point I started to wonder if I was boring him.. But then he surprised me and caught me off guard...

posted September 28, 2011 12:58 AM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Yeah usually Sag men, walk up to me, and bluntly say you wanna #$$%^^&****(((()^&%^$%#$%$%^%^&*&*(*&()(^&$^% with me.... LOL....

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LOL!! LOL!! LOL!! Ah! I've met the same Sag men you have then! Classic! Way too true!

posted September 28, 2011 01:15 AM            

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It shocked me to find out he was a double Sagittarius...and with a Leo Asc. as well! This guy wasn't really enthusiastic about anything

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posted September 28, 2011 05:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Do Sags have a problem with personal space?

I mean usually there is a certain "social distance" you keep to people you do not know that well, is it typical of Sags to ignore that "rule" and kind of invade (did not really feel invasive though funnily) that kind of distance and coming much closer than that?
And they are from the same European (German/English) background than me.

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Sags usually are kinda pushy in that respect, yeah and will run roughshod all over you, although they usually MEAN well, it's that they just don't 'get' it. They usually say whatever pops into their head without thinking first as well which requires a certain amount of patience...

posted September 28, 2011 06:05 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Sags usually are kinda pushy in that respect, yeah and will run roughshod all over you, although they usually MEAN well, it's that they just don't 'get' it. They usually say whatever pops into their head without thinking first as well which requires a certain amount of patience...

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posted September 28, 2011 06:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
He must have Venus in Cap. I was seeing a Sag with Venus in Cap and Aqua rising, and he's really shy when it comes to love. When he asked me out, he tried to make it sound like it was my idea, that I was the one who needed to go see a movie lol. Venus in Cap guys play it really cool when they don't know whether or not they'll be rejected. But once they're behind closed doors and they're certain they have your interest - look out. The one I was involved with shocked me with how much feeling he was suppressing/hiding. He was overflowing with passion, wow.

I was being pursued by a Sag with Scorp Venus and Moon in Gemini at one point, and that one would not quit it with the constant emailing. I didn't even want to know what would happen if I gave him my phone number.

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I'm reading the Venus in Cap one and doing the headscratch, because honestly that sounds more like Venus in Virgo. Honestly I think you mistook their aloofness for being timid, which is why when it came down to the bedroom, you were so completely shocked when it became apparent that that wasn't the case. Plus, aloof people can still be horndogs, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Or, the Venus in Cap just saw your wallet on the table by the bed and got hyper-aroused...you know Caps looooveeeee money LMAOOOOOO...no, I'm kidding.

posted September 28, 2011 07:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
He's not shy... REALLY! lol... I was pretty shocked some of the things he did/said...

He's super super detached.. He comes across as really cold.. At a point I started to wonder if I was boring him.. But then he surprised me and caught me off guard...

BUTTT since I do have the Pis Asc I blend to it.. I think he's making me come across cold also...
I feel so distant around him also..

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posted October 02, 2011 05:54 AM            

Seeing self as pure potential can lead to strong insecurity and identity issues. Sag's initial reaction is to seek self within their environment (or define self based on the environment's response to their actions). Sagittarians with personalities prone to self-reflection, can struggle to contain their energy out of respect for others, and can experience fear of being "too big" or crossing other's boundaries without intending to (how do I know where I end and the other person begins?). This can result in retracted Sagittarians, which often remain retracted until they discover where the boundaries for each new situation is. If your friend is a retracted Sag, your Pisces ASC may have trouble, especially if both of you are waiting for each other to step up and start establishing boundaries.

posted October 02, 2011 06:05 AM            

Very well put and extremely informative, I am impressed. Best description of a Sag that I've ever heard. My mother is a Sagittarius ASC conjunct Jupiter and my younger sister is a Sagittarius Sun and Mars and everything you've said here fits them perfectly well.

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When Sag looks inside, we see nothing that could be definitively singled out as "self", we only see potential. This is why Sag is often considered optimistic, because in the core of everything we see the potential for any possibility.

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posted October 02, 2011 06:15 AM            

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Sag is kinda weird, some can totally be cold. What many people consider a lack of respect for boundaries is a result of Sag's inability to define their self. Sag is about discovering truth by challenging barriers and rising above them. When Sag looks inside, we see nothing that could be definitively singled out as "self", we only see potential. This is why Sag is often considered optimistic, because in the core of everything we see the potential for any possibility.

Seeing self as pure potential can lead to strong insecurity and identity issues. Sag's initial reaction is to seek self within their environment (or define self based on the environment's response to their actions). Sagittarians with personalities prone to self-reflection, can struggle to contain their energy out of respect for others, and can experience fear of being "too big" or crossing other's boundaries without intending to (how do I know where I end and the other person begins?). This can result in retracted Sagittarians, which often remain retracted until they discover where the boundaries for each new situation is. If your friend is a retracted Sag, your Pisces ASC may have trouble, especially if both of you are waiting for each other to step up and start establishing boundaries.

Something else to mention, all signs have an ability to manifest in a productive or destructive way. Sag is of course capable of bowling through/over people, because they are not built to notice or particularly care about the things people believe define them. But equally so, Sag is capable of challenging their self to appreciate people on their own individual terms. The struggle is a lot like owning a horse. Without training, the horse just farts, bucks, and kicks, it is completely useless for anything. With training, a horse is graceful, thoughtful, careful, dependable, powerful, and hard working. Your cold Sag may just be a bit heavy handed when it comes to training his horse.

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I don't think it even runs that deep; they just don't always think before they speak at best, which if you think about it makes sense, being that it's a fire sign and fire signs can be somewhat impulsive. At worst, they're self-righteous and confuse their own opinion with actual fact and proceed to beat other people over the head with it. You have to remember that's the shadow side of Jupiter.

Honestly, it's more that Sagittarius IS the bucking, farting horse and they have to train themselves to some extent, to think before they speak and realize that their personal views and 'philosophies' are just that, not law.

I don't think it's due to a boundaries issue either as that's more a Neptunian thing than a Jupiterian/Sagittarian one.

posted October 02, 2011 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Sag is kinda weird, some can totally be cold. What many people consider a lack of respect for boundaries is a result of Sag's inability to define their self. Sag is about discovering truth by challenging barriers and rising above them. When Sag looks inside, we see nothing that could be definitively singled out as "self", we only see potential. This is why Sag is often considered optimistic, because in the core of everything we see the potential for any possibility.

Seeing self as pure potential can lead to strong insecurity and identity issues. Sag's initial reaction is to seek self within their environment (or define self based on the environment's response to their actions). Sagittarians with personalities prone to self-reflection, can struggle to contain their energy out of respect for others, and can experience fear of being "too big" or crossing other's boundaries without intending to (how do I know where I end and the other person begins?). This can result in retracted Sagittarians, which often remain retracted until they discover where the boundaries for each new situation is. If your friend is a retracted Sag, your Pisces ASC may have trouble, especially if both of you are waiting for each other to step up and start establishing boundaries.

Something else to mention, all signs have an ability to manifest in a productive or destructive way. Sag is of course capable of bowling through/over people, because they are not built to notice or particularly care about the things people believe define them. But equally so, Sag is capable of challenging their self to appreciate people on their own individual terms. The struggle is a lot like owning a horse. Without training, the horse just farts, bucks, and kicks, it is completely useless for anything. With training, a horse is graceful, thoughtful, careful, dependable, powerful, and hard working. Your cold Sag may just be a bit heavy handed when it comes to training his horse.

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posted October 02, 2011 02:14 PM            

Here let me give some examples of why I see him as cold... What bothers me..

He texts me... Hi how are you??
I reply back, good and u?
then nothing! no reply no answer no nothing.. I think WTF you even bother to text me then..
Thats happened several times..
Then some 6 hours later he replies Im fine.
WHAT!!!!! WTF!

We went out a few times, as friends no biggie..
When I leave he says texts me when you get home.. So I say ok.. and I do..
The last time he invited me to his house and we watched a movie.. He was giving me a foot massage during the movie, and then he just layed down and went to sleep.. LOL...
I said you tired, you want me to leave he said no no, stay.. (hummmm hummm)So I stayed... We were drinking a bit, he said here have some more, I said no, I have to drive home, he said nooooo stay the night.. I said I cant stay Ill have to go home..
(I dont stay the night anywhere)
I guess that ****** him off... LOL

posted October 02, 2011 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
I think Leo and Sag get along when Leo is being the shiny thing just out of Sag's reach, that he's always chasing. Sag guys just get so boring once they think they have you hooked. And then when they see other guys chasing you, they bring back the heat.

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posted October 02, 2011 02:48 PM            

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humm well that kind of explains things...
I dont call him, and I keep taking off on him..
The 2nd time we went out, he thought I stood him up...
I texted him saying I was on my way (a 20 min drive) I showed up a hour and a half later..
When I got to him, he was in sweats and flip flops.. Thinking I wasnt coming.. LOL...

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posted October 02, 2011 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Xiiro, is this your own interpretation or have you got it from somewhere? If its your own i must appreciate your ability to observe and study people and do all the research very wisely. Your style of writing is very articulate too. Much appreciated. Not just here but even in some of your other posts i happened to notice it. By sidereal chart i am a Sag. And this interpretation resonates with me. Well done!

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This is my interpretation from being a Sag and knowing several in love, friendship, acquaintance, work, and family. It's easy to find negativity in any sign, especially if one lacks the humility to understand the lesson each sign teaches. It's especially easy to form a bad impression of Sag when one is unaware that depth exists in all signs of the zodiac. A sign is just an energy pattern, how individuals use that pattern is what makes it good or bad, not the sign. I could run around talking about how Libra is wishy washy, Leo is a self-righteous dictator, Cancer is emotional and snappy, or Capricorn is a cold automaton, but I would really just be quoting the books I picked up at my local bookstore, or lashing out against people who I never bothered to get to know beyond my dislike of them.

Sagittarius is obsessed with truth, even to our own detriment and delusion, if we are not careful. But a healthy Sag knows that truth is a personal experience. The Sag understands what she believes may not necessarily work for another person, because, "what is true for me has the potential to be untrue from your perspective". That doesn't stop Sag from sharing its truth with others in the hope that it may help them on their own path. A healthy Sag is a natural team player, they understand when everyone is on top of their game, everyone wins. If everyone wins, things are bound to result in beer drinking! So when they share their beliefs and insights, it has less to do with an Arian desire to validate their self by forcing others to agree, or Leonine need to subdue other's in order to feel more shiny. It has to do with pushing people like a personal trainer. We know it hurts, if you have ever met an unhealthy Sag, you know what a healthy Sag must learn to overcome.

The idea that Sag forces anything on others is offensive to a sign which values individual freedom as much as the pursuit of truth. In Sag's perspective, if you don't see truth in something, walk away from it. Nobody is forcing you to stay in an uncomfortable or frustrating situation. Before you go however, ask your self why you are uncomfortable... Sag is more often than not pointing directly at the issues which obstruct your potential. It's kind of the whole reason why Sag exists, to remind us that autumn is ending and each of us has the potential to make it through winter. In this part of the season, the trees give fire, the snow makes animals more visible to hunt... Life is difficult and only getting harder, but nature is abundant with clothing food and warmth which is intended to be shared as freely as it was given.