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Lioness
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posted October 03, 2011 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im curious,
Do you think so people are messengers?

If so what aspects would show someone being a messenger?

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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 03, 2011 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you mean by messenger, exactly? Like a psychic or a prophet--that kind of message? Or something else?

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posted October 03, 2011 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly yeah - I think some people are kinda put here with a very specific, important mission. Do I think that makes them better than the next person or give them the right to pass judgment on people? No.

As far as what determines that...probably a bit over my head although over the years on various astro boards I've seen this subject come up and apparently yes, some astrologers can 'see' stuff like this in a chart.

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posted October 03, 2011 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireWire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes...numerology sheds a ton of light on this as well.

Doesn't make anyone better. But, it definitely makes life a lot more intense in some ways.

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posted October 03, 2011 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I say messenger.. I dont mean it like a better person...

Ok Ever have someone say something to you, and it just really hit a spot with you.. Like bam that was a smack in the face... What they said just really hit home, and made you think...

The person may even be doing this with out meaning to...

Do you think there are messengers, like this...
They just say the right thing to people? Right at the right time?

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posted October 03, 2011 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireWire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol, I understood what you meant the first time around, I was just echoing what you said about "better."

And to answer your question again (perhaps more emphatically) yes. Sometimes consciously, other times unconsciously. I've noticed, when others do this 'to me' they seem unaware. Like hidden messages.

However, when I do this to other people (depending on how much "I know") it is very conscious. There are lots of people who have such 'gifts' you can say. But, it is a great responsibility and one must be careful not to abuse/manipulate...etc. Hence, life being more intense and interesting.

This is a very thought provoking question though. Hopefully others will chime in as well.

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posted October 03, 2011 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes i think some people are here as messengers. i met and knew one and he was fascinating. wish i knew his birthday. i will try to find out.

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posted October 03, 2011 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fairaqua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not saying I'm a "messenger" but I do find I can say things to people and not even realize it..
They will say to me days, months, weeks, and sometimes years later that things I've said really made them put life in a different prospective.


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posted October 03, 2011 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ever have someone say something to you, and it just really hit a spot with you.. Like bam that was a smack in the face... What they said just really hit home, and made you think... "
---Sagittarius & Scorpio ime.

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posted October 03, 2011 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So what do you guys think... You think its aspects between two people, or does the "messenger" has certain aspects...

Does one go around saying stuff, and somehow changes the life of other people, and not even know it?

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posted October 03, 2011 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeeCalliope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think I understand what you mean. If I do, I'd say that it would show in synastry and transits. Transits/synastric aspects to your mercury or moon, transits or aspects to one of the nodes or vertex, important aspects from neptune or uranus.

Just brainstorming.

I had a messenger once, though he became more of a conduit between myself and another person in the strangest ways. He had no intention to be a messenger. He occasionally noticed that he altered circumstances to enable the transmission of information from/to/about another person who was of great interest to me. It was uncanny.

The messenger and I shared venus conjunct sun, neptune conjunct moon, uranus opposite venus and n node opposite venus among others. He had a 12th house retrograde mercury.
The person about/to/from whom my messenger seemed to relay information shared a n. node/vertex conjunction with me and the messenger's sun and mercury were conjunct our conjunct moons -- AND jupiter was transiting our moon-moon-sun conjunction.
Edit: also, between the three of us, our mercurys formed a t-square. The person of interest also had a 12th house retrograde mercury. (My mercury is incredibly debilitated which may explain why I appreciate 12th house &/or retro mercury people.)

I hope the way that I wrote this makes sense?

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posted October 03, 2011 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We're talking MSN messenger here, right?

What's that phrase that goes around, when the student is ready the teacher will appear? Something like that. Bee sounds on point cos I think she gets what you're on about astrologically.
Wish I could comment astro wise but I see things like that happen all the time, like breathing, seems there's always someone throwing out something like that.

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posted October 03, 2011 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
We're talking MSN messenger here, right?

What's that phrase that goes around, when the student is ready the teacher will appear? Something like that. Bee sounds on point cos I think she gets what you're on about astrologically.
Wish I could comment astro wise but I see things like that happen all the time, like breathing, seems there's always someone throwing out something like that.


Is this directed to you?
Do you (to a sense) ask for it?

Meaning do you think, I wish someone would tell me the answer to blah blah.. Then all of a sudden someone pops up and just says it, even though you didnt ask?

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posted October 03, 2011 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ Bee, so you think its the synastry between people?

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posted October 03, 2011 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeeCalliope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would think so, plus transits. Transits might add significance, I think that happened in my case.

I realize that the fellow who served as a messenger/conduit between myself and this other person had an ongoing role but our synastry at the time was very emphasized by contact with transiting planets.

In an isolated incident, I think synastry would play the bigger role. I'm no expert though, just sharing from my own experience.

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posted October 03, 2011 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Meaning do you think, I wish someone would tell me the answer to blah blah.. Then all of a sudden someone pops up and just says it, even though you didnt ask?"
---Hmm, I view it in a more roundabout way where someone by their actions (and words too) could tell you what you need to know regarding a certain person or situation. It happens to me a lot. You put the question out there and the answer that feels made-to-order is the one that sticks.
Btw are you looking for the right answer or just any answer will do? Cos you could argue over whether the answer had merit based on certain factors..Am I getting too Libran here lol.
Well was it a good thing?

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posted October 03, 2011 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by FireWire:
Yes...numerology sheds a ton of light on this as well.

Doesn't make anyone better. But, it definitely makes life a lot more intense in some ways.


Yeah, I know about the whole Master Number numerology theory. I'm all over the place about that; sometimes I think there's something to it; sometimes not. A lot of people I've encountered with Master Number life paths or whatever seem pretty typical to me and some of them are even outright jerks and operate in their lives in a way that's the exact opposite of what a messenger is supposed to be all about, so I tend to take that with a grain of salt.

Astrologically I think I remember reading things about those who have the outer planets prominent in some way, possibly being messengers or avatars. The reasoning being that the outers are linked to the collective and mass groups of people so those folks are potentially capable of affecting them or tapping into that. That's one of the astro-theories I've read on this anyway; there's others but honestly I forgot most of those.

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posted October 03, 2011 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
"Meaning do you think, I wish someone would tell me the answer to blah blah.. Then all of a sudden someone pops up and just says it, even though you didnt ask?"
---Hmm, I view it in a more roundabout way where someone by their actions (and words too) could tell you what you need to know regarding a certain person or situation. It happens to me a lot. You put the question out there and the answer that feels made-to-order is the one that sticks.
Btw are you looking for the right answer or just any answer will do? Cos you could argue over whether the answer had merit based on certain factors..Am I getting too Libran here lol.
Well was it a good thing?


LOL... You crack me up!
WELlllll Of course I want the right answer!

But opinions are acceptable

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posted October 03, 2011 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Yeah, I know about the whole Master Number numerology theory. I'm all over the place about that; sometimes I think there's something to it; sometimes not. A lot of people I've encountered with Master Number life paths or whatever seem pretty typical to me and some of them are even outright jerks and operate in their lives in a way that's the exact opposite of what a messenger is supposed to be all about, so I tend to take that with a grain of salt.

Astrologically I think I remember reading things about those who have the outer planets prominent in some way, possibly being messengers or avatars. The reasoning being that the outers are linked to the collective and mass groups of people so those folks are potentially capable of affecting them or tapping into that. That's one of the astro-theories I've read on this anyway; there's others but honestly I forgot most of those.


Which numbers show a messenger?

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posted October 03, 2011 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
When I say messenger.. I dont mean it like a better person...

Ok Ever have someone say something to you, and it just really hit a spot with you.. Like bam that was a smack in the face... What they said just really hit home, and made you think...

The person may even be doing this with out meaning to...

Do you think there are messengers, like this...
They just say the right thing to people? Right at the right time?



Okay, NOW I see what you're saying. I think that's just totally coincidental and that everybody (unintentionally) does it at some point, that that's just part of the human experience and has nothing to do with astrology really. Synchronicity or something?

People who intentionally try to do it, I'm wary of - it's that whole 'guru' thing where they think they know better than everyone else and are purposely trying to manipulate people and their thought processes to fit their own beliefs and personal agenda. I have a strong Pluto so I sniff that type of thing out instantly and immediately lose respect for people who do it. Aquarius and Uranus are also pretty strong in my chart so I find it particularly reprehensible because I feel like that infringes on people's freedom of thought.

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posted October 03, 2011 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lioness:
Which numbers show a messenger?


Supposedly the Life Path Numbers 11, 22 and 33.

I don't completely buy it though because I've seen plenty of people with those who are either totally normal and typical or are actually really suspect people on a moral and spiritual level, so don't immediately swallow everything someone tells you just because they have one of those numbers as their Life Path. Always, always go with your own mind and gut feelings, and if someone tells you something that just doesn't feel true or right to you, respect that and listen to yourself because honestly I think that deep down we're all hardwired knowing what the right way to go is, and frankly don't need other people to 'teach' or 'guide' us.

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posted October 03, 2011 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:

Okay, NOW I see what you're saying. I think that's just totally coincidental and that everybody (unintentionally) does it at some point, that that's just part of the human experience and has nothing to do with astrology really. Synchronicity or something?

People who intentionally try to do it, I'm wary of - it's that whole 'guru' thing where they think they know better than everyone else and are purposely trying to manipulate people and their thought processes to fit their own beliefs and personal agenda. I have a strong Pluto so I sniff that type of thing out instantly and immediately lose respect for people who do it. Aquarius and Uranus are also pretty strong in my chart so I find it particularly reprehensible because I feel like that infringes on people's freedom of thought.


I dont mean it like trying to convience some one of their believes..
I dont like that at all...

More so someone just inadvertently says something to you, that you have been asking your self..

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posted October 03, 2011 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to think it is synastry.

Actually, it's very interesting that you ask this question now... My Scorpio friend who I have been slowly getting to know (the one who I initially liked, but really freaked me out with his intensity) has actually become like a messenger of sorts to me.

His Mercury is exactly on top of my Asc to the degree. My Mercury conjuncts his Mars by a degree. We have Saturn double whammy (my Saturn conjuncts his Sun/Pluto and his Saturn squares my Sun/Venus). His Moon conjuncts my Moon within a degree. I actually took a look at the composite chart for fun (though I know that's something entirely different), but I noticed that the 'theme' with the aspects in that chart was also 'communication' and 'growth,' (ie Mercury and Saturn).

There have been a few very marked instances where what he said went exactly to the heart of the matter and were (unfortunately) things that I needed to notice and look really hard at in myself. I have to say I don't usually have people say things to me that stop me dead in my tracks and re-evaluate what it is that I'm saying (or, in some cases NOT saying). He then would further it by helping me verbally work out what it is that I needed to say (I don't translate my emotions into words very well to be honest). So it's odd, because his communication makes me take a much closer look at how I communicate, AND, he didn't offend me in the process, which really is the key with me.

My 3rd house ruler is actually my Saturn in Scorpio, so this might also play a significant part in the connection, since his Sun and Pluto are right on top of it.

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posted October 04, 2011 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireWire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Supposedly the Life Path Numbers 11, 22 and 33.

I don't completely buy it though because I've seen plenty of people with those who are either totally normal and typical or are actually really suspect people on a moral and spiritual level, so don't immediately swallow everything someone tells you just because they have one of those numbers as their Life Path. Always, always go with your own mind and gut feelings, and if someone tells you something that just doesn't feel true or right to you, respect that and listen to yourself because honestly I think that deep down we're all hardwired knowing what the right way to go is, and frankly don't need other people to 'teach' or 'guide' us.


Just like astrology, it is all about evolution and how certain energies manifest. All of the master numbers can be reduced to single digits. If the energy is improperly directed, they will not be able to carry out the goals of the 'higher vibrations' so to speak. And moreover, none of the 'schools' (astrology, numerology...etc) are mutually exclusive. They all can inform each other in many ways. And in fact, most of the people I've encountered with "master numbers" are either a.) clueless about them, or b.) if they know, they don't tell anyone at all because of how some people react, judgement, heightened criticism.

Some people look at 'master numbers' as this glamorous calling of adoration, fame, leadership...etc, which results in the "most of them are quite typical" response from some people with regard to the idea. It is not something to be fawned over as it is very potent energy that requires focus and a lot of 'ego death' so to speak to really blossom and direct the energy properly.

And we are all really suspect people on a moral and spiritual level, lol. Humanity is plagued with contradiction. Nothing will change that. I love the feedback everyone is providing! This is great stuff! :-)

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posted October 04, 2011 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe some people aren't necessarily messengers per se, but rather we are put into one another's lives for a reason? We come into each other's lives because we have something to teach someone or because we have something to learn from someone? Maybe we are all messengers and 'receivers', but at different times in our lives?

This has given me something new to think about and big thanks to the original poster for that!

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