posted October 08, 2011 02:15 PM            

Venus in 1st is supposed to make him friendly and likable, but very rarely anyone thinks of him that way. He is mostly mean, rude, and inconsiderate.

This guy is one of those people who are known to say that there's no such thing is love, the only things that people care about are sex and money, etc. From this configuration, I mean, I can see why he would say that, but...

posted October 09, 2011 12:29 AM            

"I would say if you do get involved with someone like that, be prepared that kind of stuff."
I'm actually fine with everything as long as he doesn't do the sudden break-ups thing (which I think he will because of Venus sq. Uranus). My Venus in Cancer can't take that instability and my self-respect can't that disrespect. :P But then, we'll see what actually happens. It's always been me who ended my relationships, this is probably gonna be so hurtful.

"They'll do silly, psycho stuff to test you, because it's so hard to believe that you'd really want to be with them."
I think something similar happened recently, and at first my reaction was something like "if he doesn't stop soon, I'm just gonna leave", but now I'm determined to show him my loyalty and care for him. I don't care that he doesn't trust me now, he will absolutely have no choice but see my loyalty, since I will prove with my actions that I care for him. I am never going to say anything to influence him, since words won't make a difference here, but no matter how he's "testing me", he'll never get this satisfaction of saying "oh yeah, I knew it, she's just like everyone else, no one really cares, booooohoo".

"the person has to have something in themselves that makes them *want* to change."
And yeah, I doubt this is the case. He's extremely fixed in his mindset, and he's older than 28 anyway. It doesn't seem likely for him to want to change, or even to be able to change. I doubt meditation is something he'd consider.

He's such a scientist, he's oh so rational. Anything that isn't mathematically proven is BS to him, anyway. It's so ironic to me. It's like, hey fool, check out your natal chart for once, make your own life easier. But anyway.

posted October 09, 2011 01:11 AM            

Venus Cancer h4
Pluto Libra H7
Jupiter Sag h10
(its all my angular houses)

Well Hummm I can relate to what was said... IDK if I can actually say what "love is"
I think love should last forever, but you see so many relationships just "fall out of love" are we confused?
Did we think we loved the person, but didnt really??????
I wonder about these things... How do we know what love really is?? How does love just end..
Ive kinda given up yet still dream and wish for it..
Hoping one day, I will just know...

posted October 09, 2011 05:27 AM            

his insecurity is easier to give into. - its easier to believe and trust you own insecurity that, the world only cares about money, sex etc than it is to believe it isn't. because if one believes it isn't, they carry the burden of doubts and insecurity, and a venus-saturn wants security and certainties.

in my chart, i have a grand square, and venus and my moon are at two ends of it.

my venus squares Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, and Opposite Moon.

i don't have the same insecurities, actually reading this has made me feel really positive about myself from an astrological point of view.

i don't have insecurity about whether love exists, or what everyone in the world wants.

what i believe in as far as relationships go are much more positive and idealistic. but on the flipside, that makes my saturn squares and virgo planets a lot more critical of people who don't live up to the positive sides of the planets that square my venus, and the venus sign its self.

posted October 09, 2011 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I'm all for supporting people, being there and being loyal, but there's a difference between that and martyring yourself or being a masochist. If I were you, at the most I'd keep him as a friendly acquaintance, but I'd keep my distance when it comes to something serious, until he got his head together.

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I agree with that, the idea of being a martyr or a masochist doesn't appeal to me. I'm pretty sure I won't even let myself be a "martyr", I have a thing for protecting my self-respect before anything else. If I see him doing some BS to me that's outright disrespectful, I'm gone the next moment, I’m not about to take that. In this relationship though, nothing he does is that way, there are these subtle ways of seeing if I am trustworthy or not that are powerful indicators of my actual character without me having to sacrifice anything (except patience, but that's a different story).

posted October 09, 2011 03:35 PM            

You give me so much hope! And I absolutely agree with you.

letram,

posted October 09, 2011 03:43 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
I will have to say that in my case, "testing" a few people did help me overcome some of my issues. In the sense that even after putting them through something, and they were still there, that would make me stop and go "oh".

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
On the other hand, when I see someone acting like I did back then, I have a very patient, non-attached attitude about it. It's like I'm immune, and I don't get sucked into the masochistic vortex. I can see them almost like a small child throwing a tantrum, and it really doesn't have any effect on me at all. It's like, inside, I'm saying to myself, "been there, done that. I know what you're going through."

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