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Topic: Astrology crisis.......giving up
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moonpie
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posted October 08, 2011 11:01 PM
  
I changed my house system from default (Placidus) to Whole signs. I was told the whole sign system was the right one to use.I have now got a completely different Natal chart. Unlike most people who would be intrigued by this, I'm upset. It feels like finding out you are adopted. Everything you have learnt about yourself was all lies. It was all wrong all this time. Ive seen a lot of different charts, Solar Return, Progressed, Lunar return etc. And now another one that changes my Natal chart. I'm so confused and lost that's why I feel like throwing in the towel. What are your thoughts on this house system? IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted October 08, 2011 11:19 PM
That's not what you do. You NEVER switch to using a system just because someone told you to. When it comes to yourself and YOUR chart, no one knows you better than you do, and if it FEELS wrong and you know the chart doesn't fit you in that particular system, then that's not the right system for you and you need to keep looking til you find one that accurately reflects you and your life experiences.And yes, I know that was a hell of a run-on sentence. So sue me, it's a forum not a college paper. IP: Logged |
Fuzzy
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posted October 09, 2011 12:08 AM
I just looked at my own chart with the whole sign house system and it doesn't look accurate to me at all.Saturn in 6th instead of 5th? Really? 9th house Sun instead of 8th? Empty 8th house?? Venus in 10th??? I know you don't know me, but trust me, this is ridiculous. I strongly identify with my Placidus placements, and have always identified with them, before I even knew a thing about astrology. I really think you should stick to Placidus. It seems to be the most accurate one for all people I know, and you yourself noticed that using the whole sign system upsets you. Plus, okay, I'm new to astrology and everything and shouldn't really say this, but I just don't see the legitimacy behind the idea of whole signs for houses. Placidus makes sense since it takes into account the location of a person and uses the diurnal arc. I read some info on the whole signs system just now, and they say it's been widely used since 1st century but then got lost for the Western world, and is now widely used in India. This makes me think maybe it is correct too, but different interpretations of houses are needed to see that? So for Western Astrology, it's better to stick to Placidus or another western-astrology-relevant house system. IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted October 09, 2011 04:15 AM
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frankie2912
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posted October 09, 2011 04:28 AM
moonpie! i actually thank you very much for posting your concern...because it inspired me to check out my own chart in the whole sign system. wow. for me, it is MUCH more accurate! i always had this feeling that some of my planets' house placements just weren't right. i had been using placidus.
So..agreeing with the others here, whatever feels right to you in the right one. Ask yourself and you will really know, that gut feeling or thought in the back of your head about who you are or what you're about..is right.
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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 09, 2011 04:37 AM
PS here's a good article that I just found on whole signs:
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2007/06/10/whole-sign-houses/ ------------------
*I use the whole sign system* Libra Sun, Mercury
Scorpio Venus
Capricorn Mars
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Ami Anne
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posted October 09, 2011 08:29 AM
You can feel your own chart,as you get better in Astrology.
I can feel which placements should go in which houses.
It is,usually,pretty obvious to you ,or a good astrologer.------------------
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Coffee
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posted October 09, 2011 08:35 AM
This house system gives equal houses to go with the equal signs. Everything is looking more in proportion.When I learned to do astrology the right way, it all became clear, and I knew the things I thought were accurate were now not accurate. That I could be happier knowing that I had moved on in my journey in learning astrology. Not gone backwards after learning something new, but gone forwards. I can teach you the right way to do astrology, but I charge 100 dollars for each sheet of paper which I have as an automated printout.  Just kidding. I don't charge, unlike many of the astrologers that we look up to, who do astrology the wrong way. IP: Logged |
moonpie
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posted October 09, 2011 09:15 AM
Thanks for your replies. Keep them coming.Its just like the Sidreal vs Tropical debate. To my understanding, the whole sign system is compatible to Sidreal astrology, so right of the bat, sidereal doesn't work for me. I'm completely a Piscean. A Cancer, Scorpio , Virgo and even a Leo would suit me but never a Sidreal Aquarius. I think if I was accustomed to the whole house system or Sidereal Astrology in the first place then seeing Western Astrology would probably have shocked me. Its one of those things that nobody can answer. I'll stand by Western Astrology with the Placidus housing system since I have seen some dead-on accuracies in my fathers Natal chart. It couldn't get better and accurate than that. However, I'm going to be open minded and try and mix things a little just to see what works and what doesn't. If there is something better, then I'll embrace it. IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted October 09, 2011 10:07 AM
In my chart there's not much of a difference between equal houses or placidus - or which I like to use, polich-page (sp? ) also known as topocentric. They're all in the same sign, but that's really where the resemblance ends.I use topocentric and I feel even the size of the houses is more relative to the amount of attention I spend on the topic of those respective houses. That is something you can't measure with equal houses, because their equal size would then suggest you spend as much attention to house 1 topics as you do to house 4 topics. Another difference is that equal house places some objects in a different house, or rather, fully into one house. Like my Sun-Saturn which is now on the cusp of 11th-12th, but would be undoubtably in 12th with equal house. Not so much with Saturn, I do feel that my Sun definitely exhibits signs of being in both houses. So the system I use just fits my chart better. I'm also not a big fan of saying "you just use the house system that fits you personally, it's not the same for everyone", because if it has a measurable bearing on our personalities, one house system should fit every chart. ------------------
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Aya_and_baby
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posted October 09, 2011 10:11 AM
Oh god, wasn't paying attention. The whole sign system is worse. It does not match my personality AT ALL.------------------
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frankie2912
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posted October 09, 2011 01:52 PM
Aya - how can you say that when there are people right here telling you that the whole sign system worked for us, even though it didn't for you and some others? who's right/wrong here then? in my defense i know myself pretty damn well and after checking out the whole sign system, it's SPOT ON (for me).Placidus puts my Sun and Neptune into my 2nd house....never felt that was accurate, and my Jupiter and Mars being in 4th..could kiiinda see it but it was a stretch. Whole Signs puts my Sun/Neptune into 3rd and my Jupiter/Mars into 5th. both of those descriptions are much much more accurate, it's freaky! IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted October 09, 2011 02:05 PM
Well, that's my point. You can't really say a system is fantastic or a system works, exactly because if it did just that, it would work for everyone. I was just as much criticizing the system I use myself as I was any other system. None of us are right or wrong.------------------
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sand
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posted October 09, 2011 02:28 PM
used it for awhile then went back to placidus. only pluto moves from 12th to 1st anyway and i wanted to understand the interceptions in my chart better. different results when you do rulers of houses. but if i had no interceptions i guess whole is fine.IP: Logged |
britterfly
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posted October 09, 2011 02:38 PM
If my chart was on whole signs, it would not be accurate at all and I probably wouldn't have faith in astrology. As it is, with Placadius, it is very correct for me and illuminating on many issues in my life and psyche.IP: Logged |
Aya_and_baby
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posted October 09, 2011 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
PS here's a good article that I just found on whole signs:
http://horoscopicastrologyblog.com/2007/06/10/whole-sign-houses/
I just read something quite interesting on that blog, namely that the MC position in the house with the Whole Sign system could give an extra dimension to your choice of career... Not sure if you or anyone can answer me this, but as usual I have a questionable situation. My MC is 29°55 Virgo, putting it right on the cusp of 10th and 11th in Whole Sign. What would that mean? Is it fully in 10th and should I disregard it's closeness to 11th or is it in both houses then? I find this quite interesting seeing as I've always wanted a career as a social worker or in sociology, but I can't imagine myself in 10th house-related careers... at all.
Funnily enough, this thread has gotten me into looking at all the different house systems again. I don't think one system suits all, perhaps it's even a combination of very different ones! I've just paused at the Vehlow system and it kind of reminded me of how some astrologers actually do interpret planets as being in the 2nd house from your sun if they're in the next sign etc... I have seen it work before even though I've never indulged in doing it on my own chart.
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Icarus
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posted October 09, 2011 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Aya_and_baby:
My MC is 29�55 Virgo, putting it right on the cusp of 10th and 11th in Whole Sign. What would that mean? Is it fully in 10th and should I disregard it's closeness to 11th or is it in both houses then?
In whole signs, each sign is a house and there is a clear boundary between houses, so your MC (29 Virgo 55) is in Virgo and in 10th. No in-betweens and no 5 degree rule. IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
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posted October 09, 2011 08:05 PM
I think with house systems it may be that different ones have a different overall purpose. I started out using equal and the switched to placidus because it's more accurate when describing the psyche of the person.Sideral is better for a more "spiritual" approach but I prefer western. Until you've been practising for a few years I think it's far too difficult to make a judgement. We're all good at denial and if we don't like what we see in one it may be tempting to use something that gives us a better answer and ignore anything else. I haven't looked at whole house signs enough but it'll have its use - I just can't say how and until the debates stop raging there's unlikely to be a clear answer. My perspective - use what feels comfortable initially until you've got a good handle on things and then start looking at alternatives to see how they're different. Astrology is such a vast subject and if you're feeling overwhelmed by too much info just take yourself back to the basics. It takes time to assimilate any new piece of info and with astrology it's so tempting to consume as much as possible. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 09, 2011 08:19 PM
Whole Sign doesn't work for my chart, there's no way my Pluto is in the 3rd. Plus when I take into account attracting people who conj my angles, the people always line up with my Placidus houses, not Whole sign or Equal.IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted October 09, 2011 08:23 PM
I read an article about how people usually use whichever house system makes them look better. I can see where this might be true. When I first started out doing natal charts, at 14, I used whole signs because that was all I knew. I didn’t have the internet to give me a chart set to its “default” house system. I have to say that it didn’t really seem that personal to me. But then at around 19 or 20 I went to astro.com and when I saw my chart in Placidus it made a little more sense. Then a couple of years ago, on the boards, I saw some astrologers who said that equal house was the way to go and I tried it and it was just like whole signs for me because my rising sign is at 1 degree Aquarius! I did that for a little while and then I had an astrologer tell me that I probably liked equal house because my Saturn is in Virgo and I liked to see order and she explained why she though Placidus was the best. I agreed with her about the order. But… Now I just go back and forth. It doesn’t matter to me because my stuff is pretty similar – Saturn is in the 7th in Placidus and in the 8th in eq or whole and Pluto is in the 8th in Placidus but in the 9th in the others, MC is in the 9th in Plac… they are all similar so it doesn’t make much difference. So I just say, read however you want, the aspects are still the same!
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Lonake
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posted October 09, 2011 08:29 PM
^  It would be nice to have Pluto in the 3rd (!) I've certainly admired the traits of those I've known who had that natal placement but it is one that I don't possess.
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amelia28
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posted October 09, 2011 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
That's not what you do. You NEVER switch to using a system just because someone told you to. When it comes to yourself and YOUR chart, no one knows you better than you do, and if it FEELS wrong and you know the chart doesn't fit you in that particular system, then that's not the right system for you and you need to keep looking til you find one that accurately reflects you and your life experiences.And yes, I know that was a hell of a run-on sentence. So sue me, it's a forum not a college paper.
It was a run on but very well said. You always write very clear and always elaborate enough. and I agree is not a college paper! LOL
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amelia28
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posted October 09, 2011 09:32 PM
I checked out my chart with the whole sign system and there were only two differences: my saturn is in the 12th instead of the 11th in this system and my chiron is in the 7th instead of the 6th in this system. It turns out that I have always felt that both chiron in the 6th and chiron in the 7th fit me. Now upon reading saturn in the 12th I get the same conclusion that both description fit me. I am thinking that both house systems have value and can be looked at simultaneously for insights.IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 09, 2011 09:48 PM
amelia, that's very true especially for people who have a lot of planets in cusps. I, for instance, am like this. IP: Logged |
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