posted October 09, 2011 05:35 AM            

he could be very callous, a detached side. he may put up a lot of barriers.

he could be a bit cruel, harsh.

if his insecurity plays out, he may mistrust you, doubt you. and he will express this verbally, or give out silent treatment, and "test" you. he may express things he wants you to Deny to make him feel secure.

these people may have a hard time trusting and believing others have a genuine love and interest in them.

he may be able to show love with strong saturn themes - he may not express love in an emotional expressive way much, it may be very contained or restricted. but you can guarantee he will show it with Responsibility, caring. he will deal with you perhaps in a serious manner than a light hearted one.

posted October 09, 2011 05:51 AM            

none of that is a fact.

i'm a venus-square-saturn man, and i don't live up to that. i have had doubts when someone has cheated on me, or hid things from me that were wrong. but generally, i am not like that.

try not to generalize.

posted October 09, 2011 08:17 AM            

I've got Venus square Saturn (but I'm a woman. It didn't stop me from getting into any relationships, in fact I was one of those people who was ALWAYS in one, even as a tiny girl I had a "boyfriend" and this continued throughout my youth. And I have been married for 27 years. So.. one of the traits of this aspect could be an ability to have "enduring relationships". However, I am also emphatically "self reliant in relationships" - this has been a hard learning curve (saturn) for me over the years .... ultimately to see relationships very realistically - to learn be complete in oneself and not being dependent on the partner to feel whole or love-worthy.

In general, I do have a bit of an invisible "ring pass not" in all my relationships. I like to keep some things out of bounds from the other person, so maybe it is the same with this guy. It is not that I don't want to give and receive love, it is just that there are some things that take a long time to emerge. The best way to get through to Ven sq Saturn is to take your time to earn their trust, in the end it will be rewarded.

posted October 09, 2011 03:53 PM            

Try not to attack people whose opinions you don't like.

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Originally posted by letram:
anongrl10.

none of that is a fact.

i'm a venus-square-saturn man, and i don't live up to that. i have had doubts when someone has cheated on me, or hid things from me that were wrong. but generally, i am not like that.

try not to generalize.

you can't do that with astrology.

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posted October 10, 2011 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah:
Taineberry, that makes a lot more sense than the usual frigid description of this aspect. If you don't mind my asking, did your Saturn return play a role in when you got married? I remember reading something about how if you have this aspect you shouldn't marry until the age of 29 or 30. I wonder if the square or opposition makes even less likely for one to get carried away with the thought of romance and commit to just anyone. So, the harsh aspects aren't as bad as what has been believed because it more so prevents the person from being reckless in the matter of something as serious as marriage?

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In my case, I got married quite young. At the time of my Saturn return, I was deepening and committing more heavily to the relationship by having my first 2 children, so I guess you could say that was the point when all the responsibilities of being married started to hit home!! Up until then it was more just fun and games.

I sometimes wonder if Saturn/Venus makes you more committed (in a good way AND in an insane way ) than most people??? I suspect I may have sticking power and endurance beyond the ordinary. Even my friendships are long lasting.... if things go wrong I will always try to reconcile while there is a glimmer of hope. People have to be freakishly bad before I will walk away from them.

posted February 28, 2013 08:14 AM            

What this means is that you project your own Saturn on your partners. Any aspect between Venus and Saturn usually shows a lack of self-love, even subconscious. That's why you keep attracting men who first show you interest, and then grow cold. They confirm your deep-seated belief that you are unlovable.

So the thing to do first is to learn to unconditionally accept, and love, your Self. You have to love every part of your Self, and EXPECT to be Loved, in return. There's no way around it.

Unless you do that, you will *probably* keep attracting the same type of men over and over again, to reenact the same scenario, until you break the cycle.

This isn't so much about the relationship you have with those men as it is about your relationship with yourself.

posted February 28, 2013 11:57 AM            

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Originally posted by jjj:
This is basically a cry for help because I think my natal Venus-Saturn opp is the main culprit that I cant find love. The scenario (3-4 times) has always been the same: the man is making advances, I fall in love, we have something short (or not), then it comes out he is unavailalbe in some way (emotinally, married, pining for someone else etc). He becomes cold like ice, but doesnt let me go either, I pine for him like crazy.

PS this Pisces with Aries venus is not very straightforward, he is keeping me at arm´s length.

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My ex has this aspect, and he has had the exact same experience. Whenever he falls in love, there is always something in the way of him being with the person. This is why a lot of astrologers refer to this aspect as the 'unrequited love' aspect.

My other friend has this aspect, and she is quite distant with her affection, for she has a strong fear of rejection. She has a general distrust for men that she finds very difficult to overcome.

posted February 28, 2013 11:59 AM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
The opposition would mean a strong propensity for low self-esteem. To the point, that it affects your relationship because he doesn't feel worthy of anything good in his life.
It's a no-go for me; these people's sense fo inferiority is so deeply-ingrained that loving them seems just doomed, they will never "believe" you love them, they will always doubt your love because they don't love themselves and don't feel worthy of your love and of love in general. The key is not to take it personally. But I am not sure any relationship with these people is even viable.

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posted February 28, 2013 12:11 PM            

I have changed so much during the last 20 years and I can say that I love myself and find myself lovable. But if I keep getting the same pattern, maybe Im not ready yet... omg, Im forty-two, how long can it take??? Until Im seventy???

This Pisces was really deeply in love with me like no-one has been, I saw it on his face because he cant hide his feelings. But he is f..d up too with his Venus square Saturn (sigh).

posted February 28, 2013 03:58 PM            

Just one more question. Let s leave aside Venus opp Saturn and come back to the original question.

I project with my opposition the problem outside, but this Venus square Saturn gal... how does he/she feel the square? as an inability to trust, to act, to verbalise feelings... being scared of rejection... what should he/she do about it? how can it be overcome?

I know personally 2 Venus-Saturn guys... different from the Pisces. The first one married very young, but got divorced recently at the age of 47, because he engaged in power games and jealousy and his wife found someone else. He is a hot-blooded italian haha.

The other one is a very sensitive man with a Cancer stellium. He was in love with a woman who didnt want him and quickly married a woman he was only friendly with... they had two children and are now basically roommates because he never loved her. 6 yrs ago he fell in love with a much younger girl (his Saturn- she was so cold) who left him 2 yrs ago. They had a secret relationship. He is quite sad, living for his children.

I married the father of my children when I was very young. I was not in love with him. The divorce felt like liberation.