posted October 14, 2011 10:10 AM            

Also I think VDS was just saying that Christina`s talent is greater than her success is, even though she is famous.
I am not up to date with her career, but to me it seems, that she has a little bit disappeared from the public eye; maybe because of her own private reasons, maybe because the public lost interest in her, EVEN THOUGH she may have more talent than others who are being praised right now.

But maybe I misunderstood Venus Di Sirius there. Definitely possible.

posted October 14, 2011 10:14 AM            

Back to the reason I started this thread: Do you, guys and gals, feel that we are destined to have similar (though not the same) lives with people (famous or not) who have VERY strong chart similarities with us?

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I didn't say she's lost cuz She is rich. I just said she seems lost.

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posted October 14, 2011 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also I feel uncomfortable with that discussion as long as we have not explained what exactly we mean with "lost" and how we would define "talent".

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posted October 14, 2011 10:18 AM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Back to the reason I started this thread: Do you, guys and gals, feel that we are destined to have similar (though not the same) lives with people (famous or not) who have VERY strong chart similarities with us?

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posted October 14, 2011 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No.

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OK. That's your opinion. For a discussion, it's nice to have your reasoning. A simple "no" does not further the discussion one inch.

posted October 14, 2011 10:32 AM            

Several reasons for that:

1. free will (we can at least choose HOW we manifest a certain quality, within a range of course)

2. Even with sign placements and houseplacements being the same, the degrees of these planets will be different, and therefore triggered at different times (transits and progressions / directions)

3. the planets might be involved with different aspects (if the similiarity is on the ground of houseplacements) or in different houses (if the aspects are similiar)

4. this is an example where it shows that the exact birthtime is of utmost importance, as it defines the houserulerships. Also, many babies are being born at the same day, and will share the same similiarities. Thus the ASC (the birthminute) is so individual.

posted October 14, 2011 10:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
No.

Several reasons for that:

1. free will (we can at least choose HOW we manifest a certain quality, within a range of course)

2. Even with sign placements and houseplacements being the same, the degrees of these planets will be different, and therefore triggered at different times (transits and progressions / directions)

3. the planets might be involved with different aspects (if the similiarity is on the ground of houseplacements) or in different houses (if the aspects are similiar)

4. this is an example where it shows that the exact birthtime is of utmost importance, as it defines the houserulerships. Also, many babies are being born at the same day, and will share the same similiarities. Thus the ASC (the birthminute) is so individual.

If Christina`s ASC is close to yours (3 degree orb) AND the planets are in same degrees as well, then the biographies might actually be very similiar to each other, or mirror each other. But if that is not the case, I do not think so.

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posted October 14, 2011 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Concept of free will is very problematic.

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I agree, free will is a problematic concept.

And it starts with the question: "what does determine our free will"?
I mean what makes us want the things we want, or do not want?

But I still think that each astrological constellation has a certain range of possible manifestation / expression, and within that range (but not outside it!) we can choose.
The range seems to be more narrow though than most people think.

posted October 14, 2011 10:48 AM            

Britney seemed more likeable, and she had the dancing ability! And I dunno, had more something special.

posted October 14, 2011 10:52 AM            

I still think that this is an interesting astro theme for research. Take any two people with a similarity over 75% in their natal charts and compare their lives. My suspicion is that they will display "symptoms" of parallel lives.

Notice I don't say "same lives"; it's impossible to have the SAME life with anyone on planet Earth, just because no one is the SAME as you 100%. But there are degrees of similarities and I suspect when it gets higher than say 75% you get to watch some amazing indication of parallel phenomena in life and personality direction. Again, personal details (context, environment etc.) will differ but the general direction in life, say, career possibilities and talents (as is the case of discussion in this thread) will be quite similar.

posted October 14, 2011 10:54 AM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:

Actually, I don't even think it's a matter of orbs. We're not talking about synastry here.
It's different to look at two charts in terms of compatibility and a whole other thing to look at two charts as "parallel lives/personalities".

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I disagree.

If orbs matters is not dependent if we look at a personal chart or a synastry.
If we come to the conclusion that orbs matter, they matter whichever chart we look at.

One reason that orbs matter are transits and progressions / directions, as I said in above post.
All the constellations we have in chart lay dormant, from our birth until our death.
Some come to the forefront at certain times, and those which will come "centre stage" need to be set off / need a trigger.

A Sun-Mercury conjunction at 10 Sag will be triggered at a completely different time than one at 25 Sagittarius.
And the areas it manifests in is determined by the houses they are in and they rule.
So it definitely is a difference if the Sun-Mercury is in 1st house, and rule the 9th house or if they are in 3rd house and rule the 11th and 12th house.
So in one case we have Sun conjunct 12th house ruler in 3rd house; in the other it is Sun conjunct 9th house ruler in 1st house.

And then there might be different aspects to each Sun-Mercury-conjunction, modifying it.

I know you do not like to check the houses, because of the inaccuracy of birthtimes, but only if we do analyze the planets on the backdrop of houseplacements and houserulerships, we can really come to an individual assessment, and only if the parallels on that level, as well, will be there, I would think that these life might be parallel to each other.

posted October 14, 2011 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree, free will is a problematic concept.

And it starts with the question: "what does determine our free will"?
I mean what makes us want the things we want, or do not want?

But I still think that each astrological constellation has a certain range of possible manifestation / expression, and within that range (but not outside it!) we can choose.
The range seems to be more narrow though than most people think.

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The thing the bothers me the most is that other people have free will as well. One free will annulates the other. How can free will exist if everything is within cause-consequence relation?

posted October 14, 2011 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Our nature through our experiences determine what we choose. While there r some aspect of nature that remain intact( like temperament,or when that aspect manifests through dreams or aspirations) most of it is reaction/developments to what we experience.

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I agree.

posted October 14, 2011 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Do you, guys and gals, feel that we are destined to have similar (though not the same) lives with people (famous or not) who have VERY strong chart similarities with us?

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