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moonram
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posted October 14, 2011 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think Ascendant (and aspects to) determine physical attractiveness?

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Beauty and the Planets

Beauty is strength and strength is beauty -the two go hand in hand.

Beauty is also conciousness, awareness, intelligence, youth, diversity, lightness, change, excitement, originality, genius, truth, independance, freedom, faith, hope, honesty, clarity, simplicity, trust, warmth, love, happiness, joy, life, creativity, courage, action, initiative, independance, energy, movement, speed, self-realization, balance, harmony, symmetry, duality, peace, compromise, co-operation, unity, and justice.

Beauty is also solidity, stability, endurance, calm, quiet, resourcefulness, intuition, sensitivity, receptivity, caring, nurturing, devotion, remembrance, service, duty, reliability, humility, thoroughness, purity, perfection, depth, focus, intensity, exclusivity, determination, regeneration, control, order, honor, respect, law, forgiveness, understanding, tolerance, inner peace, rest, relief, sacrifice.

Just as Mercury is the primary indicator of communication in the chart so the Ascendant or Rising sign, which stands for planet Earth, is the primary indicator of beauty. This does not mean it is the ONLY indicator, but the primary one. Every other planet, when well placed, will contribute to the total beauty of the individual, but there is always one that does so more than the others, and that is what the concept of rulership is all about. A planet is well placed when it is in its own gender, element, or sign. The Sun, for example, is well placed in a masculine(fire or air) sign, especially fire, and most of all in Leo(its ruling sign). The other planets follow the same rule according to their ruling signs.

The issue of rulership or dignity is pivotal to determining what is a beautiful planet and what is not. Planets in their own gender, element, or sign are comfortable or "at home" there because the natures of both the planet and the sign are complementary, similar, or even identical. Ease or comfort produces harmony which produces beauty. The more naturally the planet and sign blend the more harmony or beauty is produced. Planets in an inharmonious or incompatible gender, element, or sign are uncomfortable there and produce only tension, distortion, and conflict which produces ugliness.

The planets and their beauty quotients based on their ruling signs are as follows...

The Earth/Ascendant:

This is the main indicator of physical beauty(or the lack of it) in the chart. Earth rules Libra, the sign of beauty, so that Libra rising is first on the list of attractiveness. Libra rising has a beautiful face, and is well proportioned in every way. Not every Libra rising is perfect by the way -this depends on the other planets in the chart. One would think that the other two air signs, Gemeni and Aquarius, would come next in order of attractiveness, but it seems Sagittarius and Leo hold that distinction. Sagittarius has a pretty or handsome face, is usually brunette and often tall with a great body. So many models have Sagittarius rising. Leo ascendant is regal or noble looking and usually blond or light in coloring. The males bald early. Gemini is usually slender, brunette and sometines blonde, with a pretty or handsome face. Aquarius is also handsome or cute with brunette to blonde hair coloring. Finally, there is Aries ascendant which is not too tall, usually brunette, and whose features show strength and confidence. The males also bald early.

The ascendant is not generally physically attractive in the earth and water signs, but there are always exceptions. Take Richard Gere and Burt Reynolds, for example, both of whom have Scorpio rising and are considered quite attractive. In such cases other factors in the chart overpower or greatly modify the Ascendant influence. In general, Earth sign ascendants tend to be short and stocky except for Capricorn which is often thin or slender looking. Water ascendants often have pretty faces but their bodies are so often obese or out of proportion, except for Scorpio who is generally stocky with a beaked or prominent nose. Of course, other powerful planets or patterns in the chart can modify these descriptions to varying degrees.

Determining a person's correct ascendant is not an easy task, mostly due to the fact that it changes sign roughly every two hours and that not everyone keeps accurate records. Then there is the astrologer's nightmare -daylight savings time(double summer and war time as well), which can throw you off by half a sign or more. Finally, there are often other overpowering elements in the chart which can sometimes eclipse or overshadow the Ascendant's influence. It's no wonder over fifty percent of charts have incorrect Ascendants(and Midheavens). This is particularly so with celebrities who often give false or modified birth data usually for reasons of privacy. Favourite strategies include changing the year or reversing AM and PM.

Relying soley on birth data is not enough. It helps tremendously to visually recognize the various Ascendants in people. I do this all the time with the outer planet positions which are easier to spot or recognize because of their long-term influences. It's a little trickier with rising signs, though, but with time and practice it can be done.

It also helps to know that neighbouring signs are as different as night and day, and that this helps astrologers to decide between two rising signs. Also, masculine rising signs(fire or air) are generally taller, leaner, and more extroverted in nature, whereas the feminine ascendants(earth and water) are usually shorter, stockier, and more introverted in nature . A good way to narrow down the ascendant is to consider the element. Fire ascendants have that wild, energetic, and expressive look about them. Air ascendants have that social, refined, and intellecual look. Earth ascendants have that firm, tough, down to earth look. Water ascendants have that dreamy, sensitive, and domesticated look. Once you've figured out the element you can work on the specific sign.

Venus and Mars:

Perhaps next in importance after the Ascendant, when considering beauty, especially among females -is the planet Venus. The Ascendant is the covering, but Venus is the substance. Lady Venus, ruler of Taurus, is a very sensual and earthy planet. It rules the erotic or torrid aspects of love and sensuality. Venus is most desirable in the feminine signs, particularly in the earth signs, and most of all in Taurus -its ruling sign. Someone with both a masculine ascendant and a feminine Venus is truly a most attractive and desirable person, especially if female. Venus in fire can be passionate but it loses much of its femininity and can be crude or insensitive. Venus in air comes closest to being bisexual and has a very cerebral approach to sex.

Mars is best in the fire and air signs keeping the body trim and active and therefore contributing much to a person's beauty or level of physical attraction. Mars in fire, and especially in Aries -its ruling sign, is often found in the charts of atheletes or people in occupations where physical strength, speed, and stamina are required. Mars in air is more mentally or socially than physically active, but stays trim and attractive nonetheless. These descriptions are especially true if the ascendant or rising sign is also in fire or air. Mars in Earth tends to be slow and sluggish while Mars in water lacks energy and confidence. These shortcomings will especially be evident if the ascendant is also in a feminine sign. Men(or women) with both a masculine Ascendant and Mars are often physically attractive and challenging to the opposite sex.

Uranus:

Uranus is another planet that can make a real difference on a beauty level. Like the Ascendant, it is an air sign planet, ruler of Aquarius, and air sign planets, when well placed are particularly strong endowers of beauty. Uranus in an air sign can give great beauty, and to a somewhat lesser degree in a fire sign. I have observed the various Uranus signs personally over the decades and can confidently vouch for this. The stunning beauty of Uranus in an air sign is especially evident when combined with a air or fire ascendant. As an example, some of the most gorgeous models are those born between 1968 and 1975, when Uranus was in Libra. Uranus in Libra is probably second only to Ascendant in Libra as far as beauty is concerned. Uranus in Gemini(1942-49) and Aquarius(1912-19) and (1995-2003) are also extremely attractive and exciting placements.

The Other Planets:

Sun, Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto well placed have their own brand of beauty to offer.

The SUN is best in fire or air. A masculine Sun gives nobility and presence, especially when combined with a masculine Ascendant. Feminine Suns emit a lower force field and lack the "class" expressiveness, or dignity of their masculine counterparts

The MOON is best in water or earth. Feminine Moons give that competent, classic, or "professional" look, especially when combined with a masculine Ascendant. A particularly classic combination among women is Libra rising with Moon in Capricorn which gives Barbie doll-like features. Masculine Moons, on the other hand, are primitive by comparison, especially the fire Moons which can be animalistic in nature. Air sign Moons can be attractive, but in a bland or superficial kind of way, and then only when combined with a masculine ascendant. A feminine Moon will go a long way towards someone's professional success. Most successful employees, buisnessmen, politicians, or professional people in general have feminine Moons.

JUPITER is best in fire or air. Masculine Jupiters gives height and fullness and prominence, especially when they are combined with a masculine ascendant. Feminine Jupiters lack the enthusiasm, grandeur, and the moral fibre of their masculine counterpatrs.

SATURN is best in earth or water. Feminine Saturns give fine form, definition, sturdiness, and endurance, especially when they are combined with a masculine ascendant. Saturn especially affects the hair, skin, nails, teeth, and bones in general. Masculine Saturns lack the finesse or control of their feminine counterpatrs.

NEPTUNE is best in the water or Earth signs. Feminine Neptunes add grace, sensitivity, and refinement to one's physical features whereas masculine Neptunes give hard and almost clod-like features. I've noticed, for example, how many young people with Neptune in Sagittartius have long skinny legs with large feet.

PLUTO is best in water or Earth. A Feminine Pluto adds depth, contrast, magnetism, and femininity to the appearance whearas a masculine Pluto can look haunting and almost bisexual in nature. Many with Pluto in Cancer, for example, have a jovial and domesticated look. Pluto in Leo people have a brilliant but icy gaze. Those with Pluto in Virgo have a chic or "high-definition" look to them. Pluto in Libra is often noted for its slim-model or cerebral look, and so on.

I am uncertain about MERCURY's true rulership so I will not make any particular judgement on it, except to say that it appears to give a youthful and childish appearance when in the air signs.

The MIDHEAVEN is even more unclear to me. What effect it has, if any, on the physical appearance has hardly been touched upon and requires further research.


Source: Source: http://www.librarising.com/astrology/fwa/beautyplanets.html

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posted October 14, 2011 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Read this yrs ago,I think.

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posted October 14, 2011 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know very well that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" & I hope I don't read that quote in this thread. We all know that.

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posted October 14, 2011 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Read this yrs ago,I think.

I emphatically agree with the thumbs down.

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posted October 14, 2011 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by moonram:
I know very well that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" & I hope I don't read that quote in this thread. We all know that.

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posted October 14, 2011 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Share what u have noticed on risings,I'll catch up!

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posted October 14, 2011 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole chart determines beauty and of course hopefully very good family genes. My Ascendant is in harmonious contact with my entire chart. I'm an Aquarius Rising and Mars Rising and I consider myself to be quite refined aesthetically. That's my Venus in Leo talking. But beauty is subjective and it really does depend on preferences. I like happy go lucky looking people, Air Ascendants. Smiles so dashing they could melt the Arctic.

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posted October 14, 2011 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^So Mars modified ur Asc,giving 'substance' to usually very flacid Air Asc.

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posted October 14, 2011 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are some (perhaps pointless) thoughts:

I have a friend with Aries Rising and a friend with Gemini Rising, both of whom are heavyset.

If I find someone attractive and can't find Capricorn or Scorpio in their chart (particularly in Venus), it usually turns out they have Capricorn or Scorpio Rising.

I usually (read: almost always) find Sagittarius Rising very attractive, but I can think of cases when I have not.

I have Cancer Rising, and so does my sister and two of my friends. My sister & one friend have Cancer Rising at 2 and 4 degrees, respectively. My other friend and I have Cancer Rising at 17 and 21 degrees, respectively. The friend whose Ascendant is conjunct mine with a 4-degree orb is very similar to me physically, as well as in many non-physical ways. It's uncanny. For example, we wear the same (relatively uncommon) bra size.

My sister has the same Sun, Moon, and Ascendant as Angelina Jolie, but doesn't resemble her in any way (besides the fact that they're both lovely).

I've been studying astrology for about 6 years, and I've never met someone with Pisces Rising. (I'm not counting online interaction.)

I'm very interested in decanates, particularly with Ascendants.

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posted October 14, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gems r considered attractive because of youth factor,and they r often very much lively with resilient bodies.(not giving easily to passing years ) Interesting thing about them they r often long-armed,with long fingers,but not long-limbed. Squash also have Their share of being unproportional.
Fire Asc always have that wow moment,they have fast metabolism which is precondition for health,lean muscles good poise.

Women do look good with water rising,natural surroundings.. Especially ultrafeminine Cancer and Pisces.

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posted October 14, 2011 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
My Ascendant is in harmonious contact with my entire chart.

This makes sense re: physical attractiveness.

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posted October 14, 2011 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting:
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362

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posted October 14, 2011 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for L0veLess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lool pfft according to this im quite the beauty! this is ridiculoussss :P

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posted October 14, 2011 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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VenusDiSirius: So Mars modified ur Asc,giving 'substance' to usually very flacid Air Asc.

I don't know if I'd call Air Ascendants "flacid." That kind of sounds like an offense. I'd characterize Air as being sanguine. But again it's just a matter of opinion. Air seems ethereal to me, with luminous eyes. I guess Mars Rising does add an extra spice to the mix but I'm pretty Airy. Ascendant in Air, Sun in Air, Mercury in Air.

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Moonram This makes sense re: physical attractiveness.

Logically it would make sense but it's not always the case. Some people have hard aspects to their Ascendants and still turn out pretty good looking.

I'm also into Decans and Ascendants. I'm under the Libra Decan as an Aquarius Rising. I have a twin sister who's born under the Gemini Decan and we look similar but also different. She doesn't have Mars Rising, her Mars is in her 2nd house. I'm more outgoing and definitely more aggressive. You should look at natal charts of twins and their Ascendants, it's interesting.

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posted October 14, 2011 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from the link:

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Venus focused in the 12th house is Venus focused in the house of its exaltation, indicating that it is very strong. Venus focused in the 1rst house is Venus in the house of its detriment, indicating that it is weakened. Venus is, in part, about relating to others and the 12th house is an area which "dissolves" us into others, which is very powerful relating! The first house is about asserting ourselves, which is the opposite of relating, so Venus is challenged here. As was mentioned, a person who is "attractive" may have other factors than Venus in their chart which give them that attractive quality

well that's an interesting theory about venus in 1st or 1st house planets even.

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posted October 14, 2011 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL
Water signs obese

I am a Scorpio ASC and don't have a beaked nose

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posted October 14, 2011 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think ascendants really have anything to do with how hot someone is, no. Because I've seen people with the same ascendant where one was cute and the other was fugly so it's really a crapshoot. Not everything can be pinpointed with astrology.

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posted October 14, 2011 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NJoan,Air Asc don't put muscle mass easily,actually,it is quite a work, Air/Water in comparison to Fire/Earth.

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posted October 14, 2011 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BelligerentPygmy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
NJoan,Air Asc don't put muscle mass easily,actually,it is quite a work, Air/Water in comparison to Fire/Earth.

I don't know that I buy that, because I don't think Ascendants are linked to appearances, but even if they are - not everybody wants to be large or sturdy or look like a body-builder on 'roids, so that's fine. Frankly I prefer being built like a ballet dancer. *shrug*

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posted October 14, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do u link Asc to?
I haven't mentioned bodybuilders. BTW,have u ever seen muscles on a ballet dancer?

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posted October 14, 2011 07:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I remember IQ said that one girl was beautiful, just from seeing the chart.
She and I,later, exchanged pictures, and she was.
I went back to try to see what he saw,but I couldn't. I think it was Venus in good aspect to the ASC, but I can't remember the specifics.

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posted October 14, 2011 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do you think Ascendant (and aspects to) determine physical attractiveness?

No. It's not just the AC in particular.
I guess it depends on whether you mean... "beautiful"/"handsome" or "sexually attractive" or both..

For sexual attractiveness.. in men it would be primarily Sun/Mars..
A well-placed Mars in either Scorpio, Capricorn, Aries or Leo.. and a well-placed Sun in Leo or Aries.

For sexual attractiveness.. in women you'd look at the Moon/Venus... Moon in Taurus/Cancer... and Venus in Taurus/Cancer/Pisces - would traditionally be the most attractive.

Other than the above ^ - anyone who has a Venus/Mars aspect in their natal chart (both harsh & soft) - male or female - is often considered sexually attractive.

For a person who is both amazingly beautiful/handsome *and* also sexually attractive... I'd imagine they'd have several of the placements above... PLUS... easy aspects to the AC.... PLUS "great genes".

It's a mix of things... a touch of 'luck' - a touch of 'biology' - a touch of 'astrology'..
:edit: and I almost forgot... a touch of effort to keep in shape & looking your best.
Some people don't care and don't try very hard. Others are at the gym every day.

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posted October 15, 2011 01:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find ASPECTS to the asc and to the sun to be a lot more telling than the actual signs. Also aspects between venus to mars, uanus, neptune, or pluto. Those these can sometimes repel also. I know 3 different people with venus closely conj mars that are not really Physically attractive, yet Everyone seems to find them Sexually attractive for some reason. They give off a sex vibe that some find very attractive.

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posted October 15, 2011 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MertSerimer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of them check..

Jupiter in leo
Saturn in capcicorn
sun in sagittarus
Moon in pisces
Neptune in capricorn
Pluto in scorpio
Venus/Ascendant (hard) Aspect
Sun/Mars hard aspect
Mars/Ascendant (hard) Aspect
Venus/Mars hard Aspect
Uranus/ascendant aspect
Mars/Neptune aspect
sun/venus aspect
Ascendant/sun sign ruler aspected by Venus
Venus/MC aspect...

I am hot, i know that. Some of them finds me handsome or attractive(sun venus) or sweet(moon pisces)... I am definitely one of them to any person. Problem is i am single generally

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