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Wild Places
Knowflake Posts: 26
From: Bend, OR, USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted October 15, 2011 02:28 PM
  
We know as astrologers we can predict major life events by looking at the Natal Chart...I wonder, though -- is it possible to predict with any modicum of accuracy one's death? I realize this isn't information an astrologer would give out if it were plain to see -- just wondering? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 15, 2011 02:41 PM
I think Astrologers can do it BUT they will not actually talk about it. I have seen people allude to it.
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MertSerimer
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posted October 15, 2011 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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Wild Places
Knowflake Posts: 26
From: Bend, OR, USA
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posted October 15, 2011 03:31 PM
That's what I thought: that they CAN do it - but professionally speaking DON'T. It seems unethical (and perhaps a bit arrogant) to tell a person, "this is when you will die"...Yet, I've read case studies by astrologers wherein they've looked at charts of those who've passed and clearly discussed transits/progressions with regard to their passing. I sense something in my own -- but I wonder which transits/progressions to be on the look out. Anyone know of specific articles/info to look at? Thanks,
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted October 15, 2011 05:28 PM
I imagine there's more than a few who think they CAN do it, but I doubt that's actually true. I think that date and time of death is one of those things we're not meant to know beforehand and that God and the universe makes sure that we have no clue when it will happen, for various reasons.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 15, 2011 07:19 PM
My aunt died this past wk, a few days later I checked her chart and found the following,
t.Saturn conj sa.Pluto conj n.Neptune (neptune rules the 8th and saturn/pluto is a combination of demolition/structures collapsing, Pluto/Neptune shatters illusions)
t.Mars conj p.Sun conj n.Moon/Pluto (sun/pluto is a combination of death/transformation. natally she had sun conj mars but by progression sun had moved to conj n.pluto and transit mars coming in brought a violent force to bear on her light [sun] as it were, that of mars/pluto)
t.Jupiter conj sa.NN (jupiter brings release when in line with nn in death charts, it provides an 'out' of this plane of existence, she died in her sleep but it doesn't have to mean a peaceful death)
sa.Saturn sq t.Neptune (saturn rules her 6th, neptune the 8th)
there are more, but I'm not liking to write about her death too much.Here are some combos off the top of my head,
Sun/Chiron - mortality being confronted
Sun/Uranus - accident, recklessness, pushing too far in some direction where it could set the pace for inviting negative outcomes
Sun/Neptune - dissolving, ego obliteration
Sun/Pluto - transformation
Venus/Saturn - losing ties with loved ones (at least on this plane of reality)
Mars/Saturn - potentially violent, a period of frustration, if you see mars/saturn active at death it was prob not peaceful, the release point that also accompanies death is seen as an out but this would indicate the person would find it hard to let go, it's the opposite of Neptune which relinquishes saturn's ties. Every time I see this one I get a horrible, sad feeling.
Mars/Uranus - accident leading to death or sudden violence, death coming as a shock can be another manifestation, if the person is diagnosed with an incurable disease I've seen Mars/Uranus bring death much sooner than expected, down and out in a mere matter of months, a rapid decline vs. others who may be able to function for yrs.
Mars/Pluto - death, violence
Saturn/Pluto - demolition/structures collapsing, the weight of the circumstance becomes unbearable and there is no where to turn, this is the aspect of 'i have nothing to lose' because everything relied upon for survival has been taken away, all you can do is transform and rebuild
Chiron/ASC - wounded time period
NN hard aspect Sun/Jupiter/Neptune/Pluto/Saturn - NN is crucial because it provides a point of release in accordance with life path, I can't remember not seeing the NN strongly activated, often by conj. Either the solar arc or transiting or natal NN, often it's more than one.
Jupiter/Neptune to Chiron - more release points
6th and 8th rulers in hard aspect to each other - illness and death meeting each other at a crucial time to spell the end
ASC ruler often under hard aspect from Mars/Saturn/Uranus/Neptune/Pluto The combos, there are more, take on more importance from what I've seen when the ruler of the 6th or 8th is involved. They could easily point to accidents or near deaths, but when you see more nodal involvement, more Neptune and Jupiter, acting as release pts, then death is more likely. It is hard for me to explain but you get a feel for it when looking at the chart that matters are coming to a close for various reasons and that this is the time the person is going to have to leave because there is either a breaking point or a fast moving influence pointing the way out of here. Fast moving influence is a series of events that take place, like a domino effect, that keep pushing toward an outcome. But I believe if the person is not meant to die at that time they won't so it is tricky from what I have seen to get a feel for 'is this the right amount of force that is needed' to spell out death. And force means looking at house rulers, angles, aspects, solar arcs, transits, progressions, it's not one thing, they add up and it's hard to read them in any other manner. I wouldn't tell someone they were going to die if I saw that as a possibility for a certain time period. I think death should unfold naturally no matter how it takes place but I do look at sick people's charts just to see what is going on, I look back at charts of those who have died to see if I see any repeats. And then there's always a point where I see more than I want to and turn away, always go back to looking at death but it's not something I can sustain like natals or synastry.
Anything that points to transformation and crisis, in more ways than one obviously, and at the same time a point of release, you can see it in the chart because it literally looks like the person is taking one last breath and is finally done with all the stress they endured while here, both influences have to be strong and they have to be occurring at the same time, but that time frame could be fairly wide, months in fact. Transits move faster and often kick off whatever is happening in the other charts. If someone predicted a specific day that you would meet someone romantically or the day you were going to die I would raise my eyebrows but if they gave you a time frame then I can see how they could come up with that. But there are many crisis points in one life so it's difficult (from what I've seen so far) to say one has more merit than another re:death. I use the old rule of repetition, if the chart speaks to you and it keeps saying death/release over and over it is hard to ignore. You can also look at the spouse's or child's chart for that time frame and see if there are influences that would point to separation, depression, change, look at the wife's sun/mars/saturn, the husband's moon/venus. My uncle is under t.Saturn conj n.Venus for separation, her son is under t.Saturn conj n.Sun for depression, I'm under t.Saturn conj n.Mars/Saturn/Pluto/IC and she was a strong mother figure to me. That same Saturn in Libra is the one that kicked off her sa.Pluto and n.Neptune. Late deg Libra is common in my family, and also sq to other cardinals. I've seen that in the immediate family where there is death, there is a common axis being triggered in the dying's natal but also in the family. So you won't see death just in their chart it will be in the family's as well and it will be pointing there to loss and separation, it will show the family dynamic changing in such a way that can't be reversed so often the outer planets come into play strongly. My research with death is ongoing so I can only state here what I have seen thus far and also with respect to how well I can read charts for the time being. I find it fascinating so I will keep studying.
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 2039
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 15, 2011 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by Wild Places:
We know as astrologers we can predict major life events by looking at the Natal Chart...I wonder, though -- is it possible to predict with any modicum of accuracy one's death? I realize this isn't information an astrologer would give out if it were plain to see -- just wondering?
Wrong, but not quite. No, astrologers somehow view predicting death as a no-no, but other life events are fine.I wrote up some research into the astrology of death, and can only say that while some reflect this moment, others don't. I guess the manner of death should be noted - meaning suicide and murder are not natural deaths.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/208209-4.html To do this, you need to throw away most of your astrology training and learn how to do things like measure transits. To get it spot on? No. Likely to be much closer to accurate when it's an expected death, like a terminal disease.
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Love&Light
Knowflake Posts: 65
From: India
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted October 16, 2011 05:20 AM
Here is a link on a discussion on LLwww.linda-goodman.com IP: Logged |
Mysticknowflake
Knowflake Posts: 338
From: PA
Registered: Mar 2010
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posted October 16, 2011 05:32 AM
I believe we do not have a set death date(free will), so astrologers can help us through a turbulent time, but Linda taught to be weary of any psychic claiming to know when you will die. IP: Logged | |
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