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RegardesPlatero
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posted October 28, 2011 06:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 28, 2011 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for britterfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I personally believe that there isn't anything anyone can do to justly deserve burning in a hell for eternity.

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posted October 28, 2011 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How can you NOT believe in reincarnation?

People are born sometimes into really good circumstances or really bad ones.

Is this JUST BECAUSE?

Did God say, "Oh I will give them a better advantage at accomplishing their goals and for this one I will put them in a poor country with no food and give them aids through their mother"?

No. You get placed in this life based on what you did in the previous one. There are beings now though who have come here to help out and that is a different story.

If you don't know that reincarnation exists then you are on the wrong path to understand things. It is fundamental to understand the truth of reincarnation.

There is no Hell. That is just stupid. Hell maybe the conditions that you are living in based on the choices that you made in the previous life.

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bethcarliseh - you seem to be pretty confident about your "facts". what are your sources?


why couldn't "God" be so cruel and unfair that he WOULD put another person in a crappy life situation? how do you know that isn't possible? why is it impossible to you for God to be unfair?

or what about life not having a purpose, and that is just how things are? how are you so sure those things are NOT true? or do they just make you feel so uncomfortable that you don't *want* to believe it?

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posted October 28, 2011 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If there is no afterlife, then I believe what would happen is that we would simply not exist anymore, and that it would be like sleeping but not waking up.

Thanks for mentioning this also.
Because it's *me*
chart?
Asc/Merc.-Virgo exact square Saturn?
Aqua-Mars conj. Aqua-NN (both 6th).. related to being an outcast/the rebellion such a 'non-belief' causes?
Don't know what else..

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
or do they just make you feel so uncomfortable that you don't *want* to believe it?

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been
I've been wallowing in my own confused
And insecure delusions
For a piece to cross me over
Or a word to guide me in
I wanna feel the changes coming down
I wanna know what I've been hiding in

My shadow
Change is coming through my shadow
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again

Tool
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posted October 28, 2011 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe in reincarnation, there is no heaven or hell, those concepts are man made. You can have heaven or hell here on earth, if you want it to be so. I believe in evil and demonic forces as I have seen them. Pisces Sun in the 8th, tr Jupiter, sq Uranus, sext Neptune, tr Pluto. I also have Saturn/Capricorn working it's 'magic' in my chart. I've had too many experiences with forces beyond regular scientific comprehension to think that this is all there is. My Saturn side needed the direct, non-induced experience in order to believe.
God as we know now in the western world, Christian God, was made more to serve purposes of man, tho I do believe that various people over the past thousands/millions of years have had legitimate contact with a spiritual source, and have interpreted it in various ways, Christianity, Islam, etc. I believe people see God, whatever you want to call it, in the image of themselves which is entirely appropriate and makes perfect sense to me. But there is a difference between religion and spirituality. As a species we continually evolve and as a hundred more years go by we are able to advance spiritually as well as benefit from scientific achievements if we so choose. I wouldn't be surprised if a thousand yrs from now the thinking on these matters was turned on its head since that is what happens throughout history, you get more information and the books and the teachers revise what is put out as accepted. I won't be alive then so I won't have to think about that (!) Ha! Humans are animals anyway, they have an inner divinity but they are tied to secure their survival and will use the necessary means to do so. There is also something called ego which gets in the way. That's why they point to Neptune for spiritual matters, because it dissolves the ego and brings you closer to spiritual experiences. Drugs can do that too, blur the edges, ruled by Neptune. How many times do you hear of musicians on drugs blasting out the best music, and that music enraptures other people and gives them a spiritual experience, its borne out of Neptune, that is reaching beyond our self-imposed boundaries, Saturn. But if you want to hold onto reality, have a steady paycheck, gets your housing/foods needs met, etc. you need a working Saturn.

So I would guess Saturn dominant people would be averse to esoteric matters the same way that Neptune dominant people would be in favor of their escapes. Jupiter dominants for emphasis on religion. Like Mir said Uranus bucks the trend, but that could go various ways, it's up to what the Uranus dominant person sees as being a trend. As Pisces Sun sq Sagittarius Uranus and I see the trend as blinded people going to church and not practicing what they preach. I also have no respect for people trying to shove the word of god written in pamphlet form in my face as they're arrogant. So that is how mine is working for me (!) I don't need to go to a church to feel close to a spiritual force. I also hate ceremonies and rites, tho I do see why they are necessary for many people as it fosters a sense of community and esp with Catholicism (yikes) it gives them a legitimate way to purge themselves of their imagined sins.

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posted October 28, 2011 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love topics like this, and I would like to add the request that people post their charts with their comments. Here is my view.

Around the time I was born, my Scorpio father was a very emotionally and psychologically distressed man. In order to find meaning, he turned to Christianity. My Cancer mother wanted to support her husband in facilitating his ideal perspective of family, so she also became very immersed in the church. My parents had a series of miscarriages in their attempt at having a baby and it occurred to my father that the reason may be spiritual. They went to their pastor and prayed, eventually they concluded if they promised their baby's life to the service of God, he may give them a kid. 9 months later I was born and the rest of my childhood was spent immersed in religion and spirituality.

I told this story first because I want to express how serious I am when I say, I was raised with Christian understanding of the universe and the afterlife. Having two water sign parents though, I couldn't just blindly accept something I was unable to feel. After almost 34 years of searching, I have come to these conclusions.

1. Everyone's reality is unique to them, this includes where they came from and where they are going: If you discuss a memory with a close friend or sibling, you may agree on the generalities, but the overall experience is different. You may remember seeing a spider on the floor, while your friend remembers seeing a bird fly past the window. In your world the spider existed, but the bird is a story you were told and in your friend's world the reverse is true about the spider. If we think about it, any noun that exists, is just a feeling or energy our mind takes pains to describe and lend form to. That constructed form, then shapes the laws and structures we impose on our individual paradigms. My belief is that our ego is always alone, but it is potentiality we all share. That potentiality is alive in every time, place, and object which exists. This being said, if a person is 100% in control of what they perceive in life, why then, would that not continue after death (assuming mind is not dependent on owning a body).

2. Anything can and will change at any time: Quantum physics has some very fantastic ideas, one of which is referred to as the “many worlds theory”. In this theory, whenever a decision is made, reality splits into a number of universes based on all possible outcomes. For example, you wake up in the morning and head down to Starbucks for a muffin. You can choose a bran muffin or a blueberry one. The moment you choose, the universe splits into two; one universe where you chose a bran muffin, and another universe where your consciousness is currently enjoying a blueberry muffin. This theory feels right to me as it expresses something I witnessed in a near death experience. My belief extends however, beyond people's personal choices and to any change existing ever. A skin cell dies, the universe splits based on it's death time, where it falls, how it was removed from your arm. Infinities and infinities of universes exist and we are creatures who are capable of leaping from universe to universe by conscious decision alone.

3. Everything arises from the perfect conditions: Without the perfect conditions, you would not be who and where you are today. From the traumatic car crash when you were 11 to the sneeze you sneezed last week, all of it played a part in perfectly resulting in whatever you are right now. I believe this includes past-lives. I have vivid memories and emotional reactions to things I was just never present for. To me that indicates there is something to the idea. Even if I wasn't my self in those times, the air I breathe and the water in my body was physically present for all of it. Without a doubt, I am even physically connected to a past beyond time and a future beyond comprehension.

4. Time is weird and our agreed upon perception of time is even more odd: When we live our lives we see the chain of events which lead to the present and we sometimes imagine the chain of events which will lead to our future. In a sense, we live in a tunnel spanning from our past to our future. In physics, this tunnel is referred to as the 4th dimension. If we drew our consciousness into the 5th dimension, with the intention to look down on the 4th, our life would look like a long worm, stretching infinitely into the past. The worm would end in the present then seamlessly connect to the history of all the conditions which lead to your existing in this moment and every moment leading to the present; then on to your birth, and back into all the histories of all the conditions which lead to your conception, and the conception of your conceivers, and their conceivers, and on into infinity. When you draw back even further, you see the worm spreads out into all the different universes based on all the different choices which were made, and beyond that, all the universes branching off from all the choices made in THOSE universes, etc... From the 5th dimension, your consciousness is no longer bound by time, so past-lives seem to be a 4th dimensional concept. I believe our consciousness is capable of perceiving all the possible outcomes in a lifetime, because it is capable of viewing reality from a 5th dimensional perspective. I believe the part of the enjoyment of choosing a lifetime is the 4th dimensional feeling of being immersed in the stream of time. I believe our consciousness chooses each lifetime it inhabits, and from the perspective of that lifetime, experiences adjacent lives (past lives) which influence how the lifetime is formed. I would theorize that adjacent lifetimes would have similar astrological energies, as astrology is one of the maths which defines space/time

5. No coming, no going, no after, no before: Only in the 4th dimension, do we believe time is the lord of our existence. He determines and structures everything in our lives, even our death. The difficult concept to grasp, is that we really are just talking about how we view energies like Saturn and the 9th/12th houses. Living a life, may actually be "going" somewhere, finishing life may actually be "returning" to a place where astrology is merely a 4th dimensional quantification of the experience spectrum, throughout a timeline. Even using words like “returning” or “going” are misleading, because your awareness may exist regardless of what you are doing, or who you are being. To use the concept of God, our awareness is one awareness when we are no longer identifying as an individual object. This gets into my own personal and unsupportable faith though, so I'm going to wrap it up. I think it's important for people to consider however, that until we have lived a person's life, none of us are qualified to tell them what is real. The moment you are able to see life as that person, then I will be willing to discuss morality and judgment.


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posted October 29, 2011 12:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 29, 2011 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lonake:
I believe in reincarnation, there is no heaven or hell, those concepts are man made. You can have heaven or hell here on earth, if you want it to be so. I believe in evil and demonic forces as I have seen them. Pisces Sun in the 8th, tr Jupiter, sq Uranus, sext Neptune, tr Pluto. I also have Saturn/Capricorn working it's 'magic' in my chart. I've had too many experiences with forces beyond regular scientific comprehension to think that this is all there is. My Saturn side needed the direct, non-induced experience in order to believe.
God as we know now in the western world, Christian God, was made more to serve purposes of man, tho I do believe that various people over the past thousands/millions of years have had legitimate contact with a spiritual source, and have interpreted it in various ways, Christianity, Islam, etc. I believe people see God, whatever you want to call it, in the image of themselves which is entirely appropriate and makes perfect sense to me. But there is a difference between religion and spirituality. As a species we continually evolve and as a hundred more years go by we are able to advance spiritually as well as benefit from scientific achievements if we so choose. I wouldn't be surprised if a thousand yrs from now the thinking on these matters was turned on its head since that is what happens throughout history, you get more information and the books and the teachers revise what is put out as accepted. I won't be alive then so I won't have to think about that (!) Ha! Humans are animals anyway, they have an inner divinity but they are tied to secure their survival and will use the necessary means to do so. There is also something called ego which gets in the way. That's why they point to Neptune for spiritual matters, because it dissolves the ego and brings you closer to spiritual experiences. Drugs can do that too, blur the edges, ruled by Neptune. How many times do you hear of musicians on drugs blasting out the best music, and that music enraptures other people and gives them a spiritual experience, its borne out of Neptune, that is reaching beyond our self-imposed boundaries, Saturn. But if you want to hold onto reality, have a steady paycheck, gets your housing/foods needs met, etc. you need a working Saturn.

So I would guess Saturn dominant people would be averse to esoteric matters the same way that Neptune dominant people would be in favor of their escapes. Jupiter dominants for emphasis on religion. Like Mir said Uranus bucks the trend, but that could go various ways, it's up to what the Uranus dominant person sees as being a trend. As Pisces Sun sq Sagittarius Uranus and I see the trend as blinded people going to church and not practicing what they preach. I also have no respect for people trying to shove the word of god written in pamphlet form in my face as they're arrogant. So that is how mine is working for me (!) I don't need to go to a church to feel close to a spiritual force. I also hate ceremonies and rites, tho I do see why they are necessary for many people as it fosters a sense of community and esp with Catholicism (yikes) it gives them a legitimate way to purge themselves of their imagined sins.


Fascinating! Great response....we have similar views on spirituality.

so I just learned that because the ego is not as defined with strongly neptune influenced people this allows these people to connect to other dimensions easier and ofcourse this will attract a tendency to want to escape bc they know that there are other dimensions bc they are closer to these other dimensions. Beautiful. but like you said we are still animals and need to survive and hence saturn is here to teach us about the responsibilities needed to carry on our genes and survive in addition to karma and neptune reminds us that there is better and not to neglect our spiritual side so that someday we may be able to transcend the physical world. I learned today that Jupiter is more connected with religiosity. I have jupiter in sag but it conjuncts my uranus and I have a bunch of neptune in me so I guess bc of this I am not religious (the neptune and uranus must be overriding the jupiter). Like you I hate rituals, the word doctrine, and organized religions.

Religiosity feels more saturnian to me than jupiterian. Like my mom is very religious but also spiritual and I feel her spirituality comes from her jupiter in PISCES but her rigidity that needs rituals and religion in addition to spirituality is bc she is a capricorn.

I believe in reincarnation too. At least I am very attracted to the idea and lean more towards there been truth to this than not.

Do you think that we keep coming back here and everything already happened and we are stuck in a loop and our thoughts create other realities resulting in different versions of us that are spread out in different universes.

Or do you think that in the lifetime we finally reach enlightenment that we transcend to another dimension?

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posted October 29, 2011 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted a few weeks ago a post called 'De ja vu' based on Linda's chapter in Star signs. She basically said that the Karma from the actions you take in this lifetime are carried over into the next. It's the only way I can personally make sense of small children being apparently 'undeservingly' born into poverty and violence,whereas some people are pretty much handed life on a silver platter with little effort, yet if they were to take this for granted they would pay in their next lifetime and so on. Also, My eldest child, a Pisces with Scorpio ASC and moon, was born with a tiny scar just about her right ear, I used to look at it when I was breastfeeding, cannot explain it.

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posted October 29, 2011 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a Spiritualist. I go to a Spiritualist church and believe that the soul survives death. I have had messages from loved ones who have passed on.

I saw a medium a few times for a reading or two and was told of my past lives. One of them I lived in Asia and another one I was a man in England who was abandoned by his mom but adopted by a nice lady. Apparently, I had red hair in that life too. I was told the majority of my past lives I spent it as a man - I am a woman this life.

I am not sure about my past lives and reincarnation. My stubborn Mercury in Taurus has to weigh everything out and wait for some rock solid tangible reason to come out. It took me a long while to figure out and accept what a medium is and how they function.

I'm just working through the mystical stuff out there in life.

The jury is out on reincarnation - as with aliens and UFO's. Possibility is there, yet the realization needs to be developed.

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I confuse myself here because I also have received messages/signs from people who have passed on, and dreamt about my grandfather coming to say goodbye to me (at the local shop?!) before finding out the next day that he had passed, so perhaps, we have a transition period, where we are able to make this contact, before we evolve into our next life? I don't know.

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I am a Spiritualist. I go to a Spiritualist church and believe that the soul survives death. I have had messages from loved ones who have passed on.

I saw a medium a few times for a reading or two and was told of my past lives. One of them I lived in Asia and another one I was a man in England who was abandoned by his mom but adopted by a nice lady. Apparently, I had red hair in that life too. I was told the majority of my past lives I spent it as a man - I am a woman this life.

I am not sure about my past lives and reincarnation. My stubborn Mercury in Taurus has to weigh everything out and wait for some rock solid tangible reason to come out. It took me a long while to figure out and accept what a medium is and how they function.

I'm just working through the mystical stuff out there in life.

The jury is out on reincarnation - as with aliens and UFO's. Possibility is there, yet the realization needs to be developed.

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posted October 29, 2011 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I confuse myself here because I also have received messages/signs from people who have passed on, and dreamt about my grandfather coming to say goodbye to me (at the local shop?!) before finding out the next day that he had passed, so perhaps, we have a transition period, where we are able to make this contact, before we evolve into our next life? I don't know.

I had one experience like this once... It was with my cousins baby that had passed away.
I never met him, but IDK he some how came to me, not physically but mentally.. I didnt even know it until the next day, when I was told he passed...
It scared me... It was really freaky..

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So I would guess Saturn dominant people would be averse to esoteric matters the same way that Neptune dominant people would be in favor of their escapes. Jupiter dominants for emphasis on religion.

I slightly disagree. As the trad ruler of Aquarius, Saturn also can lay claim to a lot of traits that were given to Uranus.

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hmm.. its interesting how personal and touchy the topic of the afterlife is, being all these different conformed religions and groups that try to give their perspectives on what happens after death and the meaning of life.. its all such a matter of perspective but through experience we manage to come up with very similar, if same, perspectives on life after death and what's connected to that-life. we're all connected in this cosmic web

i do believe in reincarnation for the evolution of the soul and that its an extremely long process of perfection that we cant comprehend yet until we evolve enough to finally reach the state of wholeness with that eternal source. spirituality is definitely something that is very hard to put into words but there's a "knowing" thats inside us, that somehow throughout centuries of civilizations and humanity there can be similar experiences of what's beyond our comprehension. with that i believe there's karma that ties into our souls and interactions with other people thats pre-planned, and helps us in our continuos growth. i know there is an astral plane, i've been there in my dreams, and im pretty sure thats were our souls go and when ready will go to higher planes. depending on our soul levels, distinguishes what we are ready and capable of understanding and i think that the older the soul is the more tolerating it is towards other souls because of everything its already experienced.

my perspective on life is probably influenced a lot by my neptune/saturn/uranus conjunction in the 9th house (uranus in the cusp of the 8/9th) opposing my jupiter in the 3rd house all squaring my sun/mars/merc (libra) conjunction in the 6th house, soo making that a 7 planet t-square. my jupiter/neptune trine my taurus ascendent by 0 degrees and my pluto directly opposes it conjuncting my venus in scorpio. its a lot but i think that they all contribute to how i view life philosophically and through experience.

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posted October 29, 2011 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mysticknowflake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Xiiro, You are a wonderful contribution to Lindaland~ Very nice having you here... :-)

I do believe in reincarnation!~
It was a very scary concept for me until I had an OBE.

My Mother was literally raised in a Roman Catholic convent from 10 until 19. She raised me and my 3 brothers in her faith.
I came into this world with a very strong sense of self.

At 15 I had a spontaneous past life memory and had no idea what had just occurred, I only knew that the memory was real and that the girl in it was me.
But, even so I remained a bit skeptical, reincarnation was a mystery to me at that time.

When I was first learning what reincarnation was, the fact that we would come back as some other person terrified me. I didn't want to be anyone else but me, the fear of not existing as I now knew my consciousness to be, was unacceptable and left me with a deep ache in the core of my stomach.

Then I had an OBE at 17 and it changed everything!

Not to go into too many details, I even scientifically went about proving to myself that the OBE (Out of body experience) was real. One thing that was sharply clear, even out of body, I was still "ME".
To paraphrase Linda:
Just as putting on a blue shirt one day and red the other doesn't change who you are, neither does putting on a different set of earth clothes.

I had another spontaneous memory after that first and knew without a doubt that it was real. It was the beginning of a wondrous re-discovery of who I am. It lead me to astrology and then to Linda, eventually a dream of Linda, lead me here.


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I consider myself spiritual, not religious.

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posted October 29, 2011 03:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Religiosity feels more saturnian to me than jupiterian. Like my mom is very religious but also spiritual and I feel her spirituality comes from her jupiter in PISCES but her rigidity that needs rituals and religion in addition to spirituality is bc she is a capricorn.

I agree with what you wrote here Amelia, Saturn is adhering to rules and regulations, so in some families the rule is 'we go to church on such and such a day.' More of a duty, definitely. I guess it is all in the approach

"Do you think that we keep coming back here and everything already happened and we are stuck in a loop and our thoughts create other realities resulting in different versions of us that are spread out in different universes."
---I never heard this, is there a name for that theory? I think the mind has many untapped potentials, and is more powerful than we realize.

"Or do you think that in the lifetime we finally reach enlightenment that we transcend to another dimension?"
---Are you talking about Buddhism, I wonder? I believe we make a choice whether to be born or not, so the talk on breaking the cycle of reincarnation sorta flies over my head

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
bethcarliseh - you seem to be pretty confident about your "facts". what are your sources?


why couldn't "God" be so cruel and unfair that he WOULD put another person in a crappy life situation? how do you know that isn't possible? why is it impossible to you for God to be unfair?

or what about life not having a purpose, and that is just how things are? how are you so sure those things are NOT true? or do they just make you feel so uncomfortable that you don't *want* to believe it?


Honestly - you know what the truth is behind that type of mindset? People just need to believe that life is fair. The idea that sometimes people are just born into bad circumstances or that sometimes bad **** just happens to good people - that's scary to them and f**ks with their sense of security. It makes them feel better and less vulnerable to think that whatever horrible situations someone endures or were born into, they brought upon themselves somehow.

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posted October 29, 2011 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ It's simplistic, not scary.

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I have to believe in reincarnation or that nothing happens at all. I find it really hard to comprehend there are trillions of souls up in heaven or hell or the "spirit world"... souls from the 16th, 17th and 18th century. Do the souls live there for eternity? And what would be the point? Sooner or later there is going to be too many souls- there probably already is. "Something" must happen to it. It doesn't feel balanced. I understand just because the human brain cant comprehend something doesn't mean its incapable of existing and maybe souls can exist for eternity outside of time and space but its still baffling.

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posted October 30, 2011 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by frankie2912:
bethcarliseh - you seem to be pretty confident about your "facts". what are your sources?


why couldn't "God" be so cruel and unfair that he WOULD put another person in a crappy life situation? how do you know that isn't possible? why is it impossible to you for God to be unfair?

or what about life not having a purpose, and that is just how things are? how are you so sure those things are NOT true? or do they just make you feel so uncomfortable that you don't *want* to believe it?


I know that God isn't a cruel God because there are certain people who aren't cruel. If God were ultimately Cruel then all of his creation would be this way. A Man that is more benevolent than God? hahaha! Next.

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posted October 30, 2011 08:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
if there is no afterlife, i feel like it would be like sleeping and not waking up.

But In your sleep you dream, wit stick. Also The universe and Creation clearly has a purpose. Things happen meaningfully without the subject having to apply any meaning to it. In Nature, things happen in a certain pattern and cycle. What would be the purpose of cycles and patterns if things just stopped existing afterwards? That makes no Gdam Sense. hahaha! Next..

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posted October 30, 2011 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bethcarliseh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Honestly - you know what the truth is behind that type of mindset? People just need to believe that life is fair. The idea that sometimes people are just born into bad circumstances or that sometimes bad **** just happens to good people - that's scary to them and f**ks with their sense of security. It makes them feel better and less vulnerable to think that whatever horrible situations someone endures or were born into, they brought upon themselves somehow.

press the buzzer jimmy. BUZZZZZZZZZ! Ohhhhhhhhh Sorry..........but you are....

WRONG! ERRRRR. Life IS fair. It is actually beyond fair. People have many chances and opportunities to take all their *unfortunate circumstances or disabilities and use it to their advantage and make something better and stronger of themselves. But types like you want to think that it is a dog eat dog world, that God is this big hack sitting on a throne giving out orders or that he doesn't exist at all. The evidence that God IS JUST to those who take the time to get to know GOD will be displayed in much greater detail as this ball spins closer to the source. Bad things DON'T happen to Good People. If you have resolved all of your karma and you are in favor and protection of the Ultimate God, then nothing can touch you, unless it is to prove a point that you are missing. Be knowledgeable of all your thoughts and Just in your actions, then no ill will comes to you.

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