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Moonfish
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posted October 30, 2011 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have a strong family bond, & it's not because I don't want too but some of my relatives don't like me. Idk if it's jealousy or something I did to upset them, but the feelings they have for me are starting to become mutual from my side. I can tolerate most of them but theres one in particular that just has this hatred for me I can't explain. He's my kid cousin & he treats everyone with respect except for me. Whenever I try to talk to him he'll say something like "Shut up!" or "Was I talking to you? No..". I can't think of what i could have done to that boy that makes him feel this way towards me.
He's a Gemini. I don't know his birth year exactly but I know in Synastry that either his Saturn squares my Mars or that our Mars square eachother.
There are points where i can't take his behavior and I flip out on him while nobody is around (not physically) & that's the only time he listens to me. It is out of my character but I'm starting to get so angry that I can't even look at him. I really want to fix our relationship because I know when he gets older it'll only get worse.

(it's funny because some of my best friends are Gemini so i know it doesn't have to do with the sun signs alone.)

my chart:
Sun Scorpio 8h
Moon Pisces 12h
Rising Pisces
Mercury Sag 9h
Venus Libra 7h
Jupiter Virgo 6h
Mars Scorpio 8h
Saturn Aquarius 11h
Neptune Capricorn 10h
Uranus Capricorn 10h
Pluto Scorpio 8h

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NativelyJoan
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posted October 30, 2011 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NativelyJoan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Honestly it probably is a mix of misunderstandings and jealously. There's this idea that people are unconsciously attracted to powerful things, and when they sense something more powerful they become intimidated and intrigued because it's represents something that they'd like to possess.

You're very Plutonian which means you must be very in touch with your personal power. Your family senses your intensity and are put off, it frightens them. You've got a depth, and are magnetic, traits that are enviable. It's not surprising your have to deal with this. Understand it's nothing you're doing it's who you are and what you represent and those are things you can't change. Embrace your power, own your intensity, find truth and understanding with your ability to go deep.

I have Pluto in the 8th also as well as other planets there and I've dealt with a similar situation within my own family. Since I was a child my father's side of the family have always been put off by me. My father has a strong dislike for me, and so do my family members on that side. I scare him and them, they sense something inside me that makes them aware of things they aren't comfortable with. My family has a dark past. They don't trust me, and I definitely don't trust them. My father's side has a history of mentally instability and sexual abuse. I was actually abused by one of my father's siblings when I was child. I consider myself the truth teller/black sheep in the family. I know too much and I can't help but say it, and at the same time I bring things to the surface just by existing. People honestly either are intrigued by me or strongly dislike me within seconds.

Investigate your family, find out if there are any secrets in the family closet. Understanding your family will help you better understand yourself and why they react towards you the way that they do. It could be ancestral, skeletons that haunt your family name because you have an 8th house. Or it could be personalities that clash. But it seems a lot more complex because you've got some potent Plutonian energy.

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RunAroundScreaming
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posted October 30, 2011 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
he sounds like a bully....just dont worry about him. He'll probably grow out of it.

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Moonfish
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posted October 30, 2011 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
Honestly it probably is a mix of misunderstandings and jealously. There's this idea that people are unconsciously attracted to powerful things, and when they sense something more powerful they become intimidated and intrigued because it's represents something that they'd like to possess.

You're very Plutonian which means you must be very in touch with your personal power. Your family senses your intensity and are put off, it frightens them. You've got a depth, and are magnetic, traits that are enviable. It's not surprising your have to deal with this. Understand it's nothing you're doing it's who you are and what you represent and those are things you can't change. Embrace your power, own your intensity, find truth and understanding with your ability to go deep.

I have Pluto in the 8th also as well as other planets there and I've dealt with a similar situation within my own family. Since I was a child my father's side of the family have always been put off by me. My father has a strong dislike for me, and so do my family members on that side. I scare him and them, they sense something inside me that makes them aware of things they aren't comfortable with. My family has a dark past. They don't trust me, and I definitely don't trust them. My father's side has a history of mentally instability and sexual abuse. I was actually abused by one of my father's siblings when I was child. I consider myself the truth teller/black sheep in the family. I know too much and I can't help but say it, and at the same time I bring things to the surface just by existing. People honestly either are intrigued by me or strongly dislike me within seconds.

Investigate your family, find out if there are any secrets in the family closet. Understanding your family will help you better understand yourself and why they react towards you the way that they do. It could be ancestral, skeletons that haunt your family name because you have an 8th house. Or it could be personalities that clash. But it seems a lot more complex because you've got some potent Plutonian energy.


Interesting, I guess the 8H/pluto can be pretty cruel when it comes to family. My emotions do run high, but i always try to release that tension in a positive way. Everything you mentioned is what i've been through when i first meet people ... i've been told I'm a bit "creepy" & interpersonal like i'm trying to hide something. I try to be open but it gets me no where x.x
I'm sorry to hear the things you been through, for someone who went through that you seem like a really smart & thoughtful person :]
Thank you, this really helped ^^

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Moonfish
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posted October 30, 2011 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
he sounds like a bully....just dont worry about him. He'll probably grow out of it.

Yea I hope so, but the only thing is that everyone spoils him rotten since he's the youngest in the family. Nowadays I just try to stay away from him

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NickiG
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posted October 30, 2011 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickiG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SPANK HIM!! if hes just a kid, then discipline him when he gets out of line with his elders...namely you

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Moonfish
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posted October 30, 2011 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NickiG:
SPANK HIM!! if hes just a kid, then discipline him when he gets out of line with his elders...namely you


Believe me I have a couple times, he'll just laugh or roll his eyes. I guess he doesn't take me seriously because I never hit him when i'm at my boiling point or "flipped out" as i mentioned .. Idk what i'd do to that kid. I might be arrested. I was alil embarrased to include that, i don't want anybody to think i'm weak and that i'm letting a child overpower me.

All i know is when he's an adult i won't hold back if he keeps acting the way he does.

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Xiiro
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posted October 30, 2011 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HEHe I have personal experience with this. My stepfather is this kind of Gemini (among many other pleasant traits). Looking at your chart, you can talk a good talk, but overall you are a squish-beast who cares a lot about treating others with mutual kindness and respect.

If he is like my stepfather, your Mercury in Sag is what causes him to want to pick on you. For some reason he takes your brand of communication as a challenge to his intellect (which hurts Gemini more than a physical beating). He is offensive to you because you react in the same way he feels when you challenge his intellect.

Several resolutions exist, but I'll just pose the high and low road options.

High Road - Call him smart, ask him to teach you something he knows well and pay attention with the intent to learn. Be courteous of the way you communicate with him and keep an eye out for comments which could be viewed as belittling or placating. Because he is agitated by the way you communicate, expect to be shot down until he warms up. Something else to consider is the possibility he is attracted to you. Boys can become aggressive as a reaction to attraction and some Geminis love to tease to the point of harm. Saturn or Mars square Mars, in the right chart can be experienced as sexual tension. If you are both male, this could be something which just requires him to deal with in his own way. You can always stop him the next time he acts out and tell him very calmly but directly, "I don't know exactly why you have an issue with me, but I am willing to talk about it when you are. If you are not willing to tell me what's wrong, than don't act like I should know". Geminis are notorious for being thrown off their game when confronted with the infamous, "Why?". Whatever the case, the only time I have seen Gemini act like this is when they are feeling inadequate.

Low Road - Ignore him, tap into that Scorpio vengeance and remember, NOTHING gets under a Gemini's skin more than pretending they don't exist. Walk away in the middle of whatever he is saying, if you overhear him say something, chuckle mockingly. If he says something, stare at him like he has mud in his mouth and respond with a placating, "Okay". If you choose the low road, expect to continue having a bad relationship HAha... cause he will HATE you.

My personal suggestion is to take the high road, but it could be tough, Gemini does not like admitting fault, so any progress is best made based on ignorance of his past transgressions.

Hope that helps.

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Moonfish
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posted October 30, 2011 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Xiiro:
HEHe I have personal experience with this. My stepfather is this kind of Gemini (among many other pleasant traits). Looking at your chart, you can talk a good talk, but overall you are a squish-beast who cares a lot about treating others with mutual kindness and respect.

If he is like my stepfather, your Mercury in Sag is what causes him to want to pick on you. For some reason he takes your brand of communication as a challenge to his intellect (which hurts Gemini more than a physical beating). He is offensive to you because you react in the same way he feels when you challenge his intellect.

Several resolutions exist, but I'll just pose the high and low road options.

High Road - Call him smart, ask him to teach you something he knows well and pay attention with the intent to learn. Be courteous of the way you communicate with him and keep an eye out for comments which could be viewed as belittling or placating. Because he is agitated by the way you communicate, expect to be shot down until he warms up. Something else to consider is the possibility he is attracted to you. Boys can become aggressive as a reaction to attraction and some Geminis love to tease to the point of harm. Saturn or Mars square Mars, in the right chart can be experienced as sexual tension. If you are both male, this could be something which just requires him to deal with in his own way. You can always stop him the next time he acts out and tell him very calmly but directly, "I don't know exactly why you have an issue with me, but I am willing to talk about it when you are. If you are not willing to tell me what's wrong, than don't act like I should know". Geminis are notorious for being thrown off their game when confronted with the infamous, "Why?". Whatever the case, the only time I have seen Gemini act like this is when they are feeling inadequate.

Low Road - Ignore him, tap into that Scorpio vengeance and remember, NOTHING gets under a Gemini's skin more than pretending they don't exist. Walk away in the middle of whatever he is saying, if you overhear him say something, chuckle mockingly. If he says something, stare at him like he has mud in his mouth and respond with a placating, "Okay". If you choose the low road, expect to continue having a bad relationship HAha... cause he will HATE you.

My personal suggestion is to take the high road, but it could be tough, Gemini does not like admitting fault, so any progress is best made based on ignorance of his past transgressions.

Hope that helps.


That's true, i didn't think of it like that & I like the way you think! the High Road suggestion is definitely something i'm going to take into consideration.

My Sun, Mars, & Pluto actually conjunct eachother, all less than 3 degs. I think the only thing that keeps me composed when i'm angry is the fact that i become ashamed of myself when i put my emotions all out of the table. maybe because of pisces moon & ascendant?
I found that the best way defend myself is to keep holding in my emotions until i go into a blind rage. I honestly don't even know what happens in that phase, like a light switch lol.

Thanks for the advice :]

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Xiiro
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posted October 31, 2011 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xiiro     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
That's true, i didn't think of it like that & I like the way you think! the High Road suggestion is definitely something i'm going to take into consideration.

My Sun, Mars, & Pluto actually conjunct eachother, all less than 3 degs. I think the only thing that keeps me composed when i'm angry is the fact that i become ashamed of myself when i put my emotions all out of the table. maybe because of pisces moon & ascendant?
I found that the best way defend myself is to keep holding in my emotions until i go into a blind rage. I honestly don't even know what happens in that phase, like a light switch lol.

Thanks for the advice :]


LOL, in that case it is probably best to get this resolved before you rip this kid's head off his neck. Pisces can endure a lot, but when backed into a corner and left with no other option, they can become a very unfortunate energy to underestimate. Add Scorpio to the mix, and the fuse gets a bit shorter.

A good thing to keep in mind is how you joke with your friends. With a Sag Mercury, and all that Scorpio, I would guess you can poke at your friends with no intention to harm. Some Geminis are all about the communicating end, but not much for the "where it goes after it has been communicated" end. His intentions may be lighter than their results and he may think you can handle more than you prefer, because you tend to hold your reactions in.

We shall see, it is certainly an interesting situation.

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