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Topic: Various questions about the "Venus square Uranus" aspect in synastry.
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ProudestLeo
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posted October 31, 2011 02:25 AM
  
I did an online synastry reading about this girl that I really want to date and me, and I found that despite having numerous positive aspects (Powerful Trine Sun-Moon, Sextile Suns, Sextile Venuses sextile Mercurys ext,trine moon-mercury.) we have her venus square my uranus. I looked for info on this aspect and was very very dissapointed and devastated that all of the websites describe it either as "THE divorce aspect for a reason" or "the inevitable inconstant,unstable aspect that always leads the relationship to end dissapointingly quickly"So,since I have never had this aspect with anyone,I have no personal experience whatsoever about it. So I have various questions about the Venus-Square Uranus aspect: 1) Is it really as terrible as all those sites describe it? 2)Does it still have that terrible effect if there are so many other powerful compatible aspects (such as the sun-moon trine)? 3)Does anyone know (or had the personal experience) of this aspect ending relationships that have many other powerful positive aspects? 4)Has anyone known or been a part of a relationship with this aspect that has been sucessful or long term or stable? 5)Is it a powerful aspect or a not so powerful aspect overall? I honestly need knowledgable opinions from people who are experts in synastry or who have had personal experiences that can honetsly share them. The thing is, Im devoting all this time because this girl and I seem hauntingly compatible, I really want to pursue a very serious relationship with her, but from everything I've read so far, because of this venua-uranus aspect, that would all be "money down the drain" and It would be really dissapointing and devastating having spent so much time working on something that will end so abruptly. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 31, 2011 02:41 AM
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Lonake
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posted October 31, 2011 03:03 AM
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ProudestLeo
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posted October 31, 2011 02:32 PM
@LonakeThank you for your help it is greatly appreciated. Question #3 means any kind of serious relationship. But no, im not looking for an excuse no to be with her. Its more like i want to date her because of all te positive aspects but at the same time I hear so much about this aspect being "the #1 relationship finisher" that I kinda fear that falling in love only to be abruptly left high and dry because of that aspect. IP: Logged |
Delilah
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posted October 31, 2011 04:36 PM
I have this natally and it's shown up a lot in synastry between me and a few guys I thought something would happen with. Everything ended before it began. I was always the Venus person. This is likely because I have this aspect natally. If you don't, things may have a better chance of working out. Your relationship won't be traditional, if do decide to persue her. I may be overstepping, but it's usually the Uranus person who backs away. If you have soft Saturn aspects to Venus or other personal planets you might be able to deal with Uranus easier. IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 01, 2011 05:28 AM
Well fortunatley I dont have this aspect on my birth chart. By the way here is my full birth chart if its of any help:Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Placidus Orb:0
Sun Leo 29.18 Ascendant Scorpio 18.03
Moon Virgo 25.30 II Sagittarius 17.18
Mercury Virgo 23.10 III Capricorn 17.28
Venus Leo 10.42 IV Aquarius 19.06
Mars Taurus 25.23 V Pisces 21.12
Jupiter Leo 0.55 VI Aries 21.18
Saturn Capricorn 19.29 R VII Taurus 18.03
Uranus Capricorn 5.49 R VIII Gemini 17.18
Neptune Capricorn 12.04 R IX Cancer 17.28
Pluto Scorpio 15.13 Midheaven Leo 19.06
Lilith Sagittarius 2.29 XI Virgo 21.12
Asc node Aquarius 7.14 XII Libra 21.18
____________________________________________ And here is hers: Zodiac in degrees 0.00 Time unknown
Sun Libra 27.16
Moon Capricorn 6.49
Mercury Scorpio 20.52
Venus Libra 5.47
Mars Scorpio 16.10
Jupiter Libra 25.33
Saturn Aquarius 23.40 R
Uranus Capricorn 18.27
Neptune Capricorn 18.30
Pluto Scorpio 24.22
Lilith Aries 11.09
Asc node Sagittarius 3.29 IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted November 01, 2011 10:12 AM
I have it natally (as well as Venus square Saturn). It was present in my longest relationship.I think if you have some Saturn to balance it out, it won't be as off putting. You also have Mars square Saturn in your synastry (which has scary descriptions as well), so that may balance it. Venus square Uranus is exciting, or at least I find it exciting (but then again I'm an Aqua Sun with Uranus in 7th and DSC ruler in 11th). IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted November 01, 2011 01:39 PM
It just so happens we do also have my Mars Square her saturn AND My Sun opposed to her Saturn...I basically have the same questions about those... I've read they are terrible aspect,are they really that bad? I've read they are "unbearable" and "imposible to create a fullfiling lifestyle".On the other hand we do have some positive saturn aspects like; My saturn sextile her mercury, and my saturn sextile her mars. So that should bring me hope right? IP: Logged |
Leonine8
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posted November 02, 2011 11:43 AM
That connection adds an erratic quality that many don't personally enjoy, but everyone is different. If you notice that her affections or responses are inconsistent, you could take that as an early cue to bail. Alternatively, you could be patient and see if the good aspects override it. My experience is that it improves over time with other good aspects but still manifests.IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted February 12, 2012 07:46 PM
I once read something (honestly can't remember where) about this Venus square Uranus aspect making the relationship start under very unusual circumstances, or making the relationship very unusual in itself.Mi question is (to those who have had this aspect in synastry to a lover)...is all this true? Does it by rule have to start in a very unusual way? I would like to hear some experiences. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted February 12, 2012 07:50 PM
I had the exact opposition and yes the relationship was never stable even though I wanted it to be but it would never ever happen.IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 12, 2012 08:09 PM
I think that negative uranus aspects in the composite are more important than the ones in synastry not just from experience but because the composite describes the relationship itself. Most people i've seen with really good aspects in synastry and composite but one bad uranus aspect in composite lasted a while, and the friendship, it was on and off but it was stable enough---even without any saturn aspects. But then after many years of being on and off they finally separated. But the problem i see is when people have three or more negative uranus aspects in either composite or synastry. That would alarm me, because i havent seen it work out yet. Those people never even get together in the first place or ever get off the ground.I would say to check your composite. If you only have this bad uranus aspect in synastry, then you're okay. Just be glad it's in synastry and not ur composite that u have it, bc if it were in the composite, even just one bad negative uranus aspects, especially moon-uranus can make the best friendship/relationship break up after years of instability. One example on this forum. YoursTrulyAlways has a negative uranus aspect in synastry with his wife, I believe. And they've been married for years. IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted February 12, 2012 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I had the exact opposition and yes the relationship was never stable even though I wanted it to be but it would never ever happen.
But did it start in a very unusual way? IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted February 12, 2012 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I think that negative uranus aspects in the composite are more important than the ones in synastry not just from experience but because the composite describes the relationship itself. Most people i've seen with really good aspects in synastry and composite but one bad uranus aspect in composite lasted a while, and the friendship, it was on and off but it was stable enough---even without any saturn aspects. But then after many years of being on and off they finally separated. But the problem i see is when people have three or more negative uranus aspects in either composite or synastry. That would alarm me, because i havent seen it work out yet. Those people never even get together in the first place or ever get off the ground.I would say to check your composite. If you only have this bad uranus aspect in synastry, then you're okay. Just be glad it's in synastry and not ur composite that u have it, bc if it were in the composite, even just one bad negative uranus aspects, especially moon-uranus can make the best friendship/relationship break up after years of instability. One example on this forum. YoursTrulyAlways has a negative uranus aspect in synastry with his wife, I believe. And they've been married for years.
Well the with the person that Im talking about we also have her moon cunjunct my uranus, my mars trine her uranus, my mercury trine her uranus and my moon trine her uranus. All those aspects should help "ease" the venus-uranus square right? Not to mention we also have very positive aspects like My sun trine her moon (wich is considered a super powerful positive right?), Sextile suns, sextile venuses, my saturn sextile her mars, and her mars sextile my saturn (wich should add stability right?)
__________________________________________ Here's my chart and hers: Sun 29°08' Leo
Moon 23°20' Virgo
Mercury 23°07' Virgo
Venus 10°30' Leo
Mars 25°18' Taurus
Jupiter 00°55' Leo
Saturn 19°24' Capricorn
Uranus 05°50' Capricorn
Neptune 12°05' Capricorn
Pluto 15°02' Scorpio
Sun 27°07' Libra
Moon 04°39' Capricorn
Mercury 20°47' Scorpio
Venus 05°35' Libra
Mars 16°04' Scorpio
Jupiter 25°30' Libra
Saturn 23°35' Aquarius
Uranus 18°30' Capricorn
Neptune 18°32' Capricorn
Pluto 24°10' Scorpio
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Hera
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posted February 12, 2012 11:33 PM
Oh man! There is no aspect in this world that can break two people who are meant to be and no aspect that can make them stay together if they don't want to. Release all that, it's not good to start something with that in mind. Just make the best of it and keep your fingers crossed. About Venus-Uranus aspects. Well, for some reason, I have had them in every relationship I've been, either in synastry or composite. Usually composite, but every so often a Venus-Uranus conjunction appears or the opposition. The square not so much as those, as I recall. Even now, I just started a relationship with someone who's Venus conjuncts my Jupiter-Uranus conjunction in Sag and the square in the composite chart... How does it feel like? Very, very unstable. Me having Taurus Venus, I want to know where things stand. With this aspect, it is always a surprise. Relationships that seem doomed suddenly start to flourish and those that seem to go nicely end abruptly. That is Uranus at work, always full of surprises, that little devil. What I absolutely HATE about it is not having any decent ounce of control about the situation because it is so out of my hands, hence so very frustrating for a control freak like me. Good parts? Since I have seen only the bitter part of it, I absolutely am against this aspect. But as you can see this didn't stop me from getting yet into another Venus-Uranus relationship. Maybe there's something about it that I need, I don't know. There is a lot of freedom in this types of relationships, mostly because they're usually long distance/age difference or one of the partners is somewhat unavailable to the other in crucial moments. I crave freedom in my relationships, it is a must for me, so maybe that's why. There's also tons of excitement. I like that too. It's like a tingling electric buzz that you feel throughout all your body. Nothing compares to it. Me and my new bf also have a good compatibility (Sun-Moon sextile and trine, Moon-Mars trine, Venus-Sun-Moon-Jupiter-Uranus grand trine, etc) but that doesn't stop us from arguing even from the very beginning. It's like sitting on a time bomb, wondering when will it go off.
With this aspect, you really need to get used to the highs and lows, which will usually be taken to extremes because Uranus loves extremes. Once you get used to that, and living without expectations, your life starts to make a wee bit of sense. If you however continue to tightly grasp on your notions of how a relationship should be and feel, you're heading for disaster. Because Uranus loves to shock the hell out of you and make you change your views about things. And this is exactly what you can expect: change. The rest is variable, the only constant is change. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted February 12, 2012 11:42 PM
To also answer your questions...1) Is it really as terrible as all those sites describe it? It can be. Don't underestimate it. 2)Does it still have that terrible effect if there are so many other powerful compatible aspects (such as the sun-moon trine)? Yup. It can break a perfectly going relationship due to outside factors that separate the two. That is the most frustrating of all. When the world comes in between, but it happens with this aspect.
3)Does anyone know (or had the personal experience) of this aspect ending relationships that have many other powerful positive aspects?
Oh yeah. All my relationships. Most have had pretty damn good compatibility, but this aspect was always present one way or another and eventually ended things. Most I have lasted was 3 years.
4)Has anyone known or been a part of a relationship with this aspect that has been sucessful or long term or stable?
3 years is the longest I lasted. 5)Is it a powerful aspect or a not so powerful aspect overall? Very powerful, def shouldn't be underestimated. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 13, 2012 01:58 AM
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Well the with the person that Im talking about we also have her moon cunjunct my uranus, my mars trine her uranus, my mercury trine her uranus and my moon trine her uranus.All those aspects should help "ease" the venus-uranus square right?
I'm afraid more uranus aspects even if they're positive only make the relationship more uranian and oly end up exacerbating the problem. If you have that many uranian aspects I can't see it being anything other than a very unstable relationship where you can't ever settle down together. With uranus, expect the unexpected. The relationship wont be anything you want it to be. Uranus=rebellion, unpredictability, instability IP: Logged |
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posted February 13, 2012 02:33 AM
I have a Venus-Uranus conjunction squared by Moon-Juno. I did have one very long-term relationship, but it was break-up-and-make-up every week. Eventually it slowed down to once every two to three months....and then he was ready to get married...but I balked and ran. As if I'm gonna lock myself down into that nightmare of a relationship and permanently share my resources with someone undeserving! One reason he was ready to truly commit and I wasn't is because he was benefitting more. (Plus I was exhausted fighting to get his crazy clingy ex's out of our relationship so he got his dear wish of having all of us in his life. Well, now minus me. He can keep both their fat a$$es around, I don't care lol)I was briefly involved with another Uranian and he also wanted to have his cake and eat it too, hence another erratic pattern. They were both my age, so generational conjunction of Uranus set off my Venus-Uranus-Moon configuration. In my case, it's a "divorce aspect" because I project Uranus while identifying with Venus. And Uranus - the other person - doesn't do compromises, which is what relationships (Venus) are based on. (Universe, f*ck Uranus....please send a Neptunian relationship my way!  ) IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted February 13, 2012 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I'm afraid more uranus aspects even if they're positive only make the relationship more uranian and oly end up exacerbating the problem. If you have that many uranian aspects I can't see it being anything other than a very unstable relationship where you can't ever settle down together. With uranus, expect the unexpected. The relationship wont be anything you want it to be. Uranus=rebellion, unpredictability, instability
Even if my saturn sextiles her mars, and her mars sextile my saturn? (Saturn aspects add stability right?) IP: Logged |
LoVeLy
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posted February 14, 2012 05:30 AM
You asked 1) Is it really as terrible as all those sites describe it? NO it's exciting 2)Does it still have that terrible effect if there are so many other powerful compatible aspects (such as the sun-moon trine)? Sun trine Moon is not a very powerful aspect sorry 3)Does anyone know (or had the personal experience) of this aspect ending relationships that have many other powerful positive aspects? 4)Has anyone known or been a part of a relationship with this aspect that has been sucessful or long term or stable? YES 5)Is it a powerful aspect or a not so powerful aspect overall? It's quite powerful I have Venus square Uranus DW with my Boyfriend we have been together for so long we also have some ultra amazing aspects like Sun conjunct Moon , Sun opp Venus, Mars trine Mars, Eros conjunct psyche, Moon conjunct Jup, Merc trine Neptune Sat conjunct moon etc I'm not 100 % sure but I have Venus in the 11th house he has Venus in Aquarius maybe this helps too IP: Logged |
ProudestLeo
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posted February 14, 2012 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by LoVeLy:
You asked 1) Is it really as terrible as all those sites describe it? NO it's exciting 2)Does it still have that terrible effect if there are so many other powerful compatible aspects (such as the sun-moon trine)? Sun trine Moon is not a very powerful aspect sorry 3)Does anyone know (or had the personal experience) of this aspect ending relationships that have many other powerful positive aspects? 4)Has anyone known or been a part of a relationship with this aspect that has been sucessful or long term or stable? YES 5)Is it a powerful aspect or a not so powerful aspect overall? It's quite powerful I have Venus square Uranus DW with my Boyfriend we have been together for so long we also have some ultra amazing aspects like Sun conjunct Moon , Sun opp Venus, Mars trine Mars, Eros conjunct psyche, Moon conjunct Jup, Merc trine Neptune Sat conjunct moon etc I'm not 100 % sure but I have Venus in the 11th house he has Venus in Aquarius maybe this helps too
Wait...Sun trine moon is not that powerful? Everytime I read about that aspect its described as "Arguably the finest aspect" or "So powerful it can offset many of the negative aspects" or something among those lines. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted February 14, 2012 04:57 PM
You have to have a lot of really bice aspects and i mean a lot to undo the effects of uranus. Sun trine moon is not a strong aspect no. It is a nice aspect to have when yu have other nice aspects combined with it but it is not a strong aspect by itself. Nt even DW sun-moon aspects are strong enough an attraction to hold without other strong aspects. IP: Logged |
SaggiMC
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posted February 14, 2012 05:07 PM
I agree with RAS, if you have plenty of good aspects, it may negate the one bad one.Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html you need to post a synastry bi wheel in PR forum when you get this chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left should be *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up the aspect grid –at a glance planet to planet. Post the whole PDF file, what we are looking for if scroll down to ‘partner comparison’ aspect grid Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% as the max orb between planets is 3'
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ProudestLeo
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posted February 14, 2012 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
You have to have a lot of really bice aspects and i mean a lot to undo the effects of uranus. Sun trine moon is not a strong aspect no. It is a nice aspect to have when yu have other nice aspects combined with it but it is not a strong aspect by itself. Nt even DW sun-moon aspects are strong enough an attraction to hold without other strong aspects.
Well my saturn sextiles her mars, and her mars sextiles my saturn (wich should add stability right?)
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SaggiMC
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posted February 15, 2012 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by ProudestLeo:
Well my saturn sextiles her mars, and her mars sextiles my saturn (wich should add stability right?)
yes  Some charts show a greater possibility for the energies to manifest well. But the same lovely trine that implies comfortable, loving energy can manifest as a feeder line that goes along with the other's abusive behaviour without questioning it. The same lovely sextile that implies harmony together can manifest as the two individuals will make the same bad choices. There is a higher and a lower energy available in all the aspects. It all depends on free will and each individual's personal state of spiritual growth. In synastry there should be a varied degree of so called 'good and bad' aspects, but in reality I would use the terms, 'easy empathy, and challenging' cos without constant effort, respect, understanding and love and a willingness on both sides to 'work at matters' then no amount of good synastry will explain if a relationship will be successful or not... IP: Logged |
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