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Topic: Unworthy of Love
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Xiiro
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posted November 02, 2011 01:47 PM
  
What element or element-combo could this feeling arise from? The feeling is a desire to satisfy every need if your loved one, in an open and unconditional way; but an inability to accept love personally due to a feeling of unworthiness. Thanks =) IP: Logged |
MertSerimer
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posted November 02, 2011 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
What element or element-combo could this feeling arise from? The feeling is a desire to satisfy every need if your loved one, in an open and unconditional way; but an inability to accept love personally due to a feeling of unworthiness. Thanks =)
A lot of both water and fire which are unfitting elements can cause what you say. I know it from myself  . IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted November 02, 2011 01:53 PM
Saturn conj Venus is a big one for lack of self-love, low self-esteem, insecurities.
But I would imagine most combos of hard aspects between Saturn, Moon and Venus either by sign or by degree could be corroborating forces for such an "attitude". IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted November 02, 2011 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
A lot of both water and fire which are unfitting elements can cause what you say. I know it from myself .
This was the conclusion I was coming too also. It seems to me to be a fire/water thing too. IP: Logged |
Leonine8
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posted November 02, 2011 02:13 PM
Moon opposite SaturnIP: Logged |
squirrel
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posted November 02, 2011 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Leonine8:
Moon opposite Saturn
Yes and Moon square Saturn.
Such a nasty thing to have in the natal chart. IP: Logged |
Leonine8
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posted November 02, 2011 03:52 PM
Restricted emotions or, in synastry, one of us is working late. Again.IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 02, 2011 04:00 PM
It sounds Neptunian to me... IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted November 02, 2011 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
It sounds Neptunian to me...
Interesting, do you mind explaining further Betty? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2011 05:10 PM
I understand, Xiiro. Do you have an unaspected Venus like I do? That may do it.------------------
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Xiiro
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posted November 02, 2011 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I understand, Xiiro. Do you have an unaspected Venus like I do? That may do it.
Nope, My Venus is poorly aspected though (square Saturn and qunicunx Chiron). I started thinking it may be a Moon in Virgo thing, but I have seen it often in people who have a strong fire/water theme. I also have the whole Neptune/Sun thing going for me so wanted to find out more about how it could be associated with that. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 02, 2011 09:54 PM
I think it might be your Sun/Neptune conjunction. Since you're a Sag ... I'm assuming it's a conjunction. I have Mars/Neptune conjunct in Capricorn (trining Venus). I kind of felt this way in the past, but it was a little different to what you are describing.
It played out on a more physical & sexual plane for me (due to the Mars influence).. Rather than feeling unworthy, I simply felt like I didn't exist at all... like my focus should be my loved one, and I didn't matter. This wasn't upsetting to me.. It came very naturally to neglect myself. It seemed like the normal thing to do. quote:
a desire to satisfy every need if your loved one
I can completely relate to this. When I care about someone I very strongly want to make them happy.. and I would do anything for them.
It was unconditional once upon a time.... but then I woke up to myself. I don't want to go along with the martyr complex... It's very common for people with Neptune conjunctions. My NN is conjunct Venus in Taurus so I feel like I'm meant to develop self-love in this life... I've changed over the years. I' m 25 now... I feel like I'm more balanced and I understand the beauty and fairness of a mutual give&take. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123
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posted November 02, 2011 09:56 PM
venus hard aspected saturn.
Sun opposite saturn
Venus square chiron lol
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted November 02, 2011 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Nope, My Venus is poorly aspected though (square Saturn and qunicunx Chiron). I started thinking it may be a Moon in Virgo thing, but I have seen it often in people who have a strong fire/water theme. I also have the whole Neptune/Sun thing going for me so wanted to find out more about how it could be associated with that.
That's not even LIKE fire - fire is pretty assertive and sometimes even arrogant (think of Aries and Leo), definitely believe they deserve love and respect and in fact usually demand it. That's not really a characteristic I'd attribute to water either...water is super-emotional and heart on the sleeve and WILL say something if they feel unloved, too. Neither element is really inclined towards waiting on someone hand and foot and thinking they don't deserve love. VIRGO is about service, sure, but obviously that's not a water or fire sign. Honestly if the person you're asking about has those elements dominant in their chart, I'd actually go so far as to say they're BSing you and putting on an act. IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 03, 2011 12:56 AM
Bingo on the fire/water signs. My Leo ex's chart was nearly ALL fire except for his Cap rising and Merc in Cancer. We had a strong psychic sensitivity but also mirrored each other's emotions if that makes sense. We both felt the same way but were unable to cross that plane. It's like there's a wall between you that you're unable to break down... really sad and frustrating when you want to make the other happy but don't feel like anything you do can. My aspects were Venus square Saturn, Sun square Saturn, and Sun and Venus square Neptune. IP: Logged |
hannarama
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posted November 03, 2011 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Honestly if the person you're asking about has those elements dominant in their chart, I'd actually go so far as to say they're BSing you and putting on an act.
Fact. IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted November 03, 2011 01:28 AM
Interesting views, thanks for sharing. I can definitely see this kind of thing happening with fire and water, in my experiences.I am also positive the people I am talking about are not being dishonest.
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Taineberry
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posted November 03, 2011 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
But I would imagine most combos of hard aspects between Saturn, Moon and Venus either by sign or by degree could be corroborating forces for such an "attitude".
I have all the above. Saturn square Venus and Moon in a T-square. Saturn at the apex. YUK! IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted November 03, 2011 01:48 AM
IMO having an unaspected Venus would intensify that OP worse than having it conflicted by Saturn or Pluto..it makes it almost hidden too. it's there and it's not 'z IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 03, 2011 01:51 AM
Xiiro, hon, Venus sq Saturn.
Whoever is on about elements is looking in the wrong place.IP: Logged |
Xiiro
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posted November 03, 2011 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Xiiro, hon, Venus sq Saturn.
Whoever is on about elements is looking in the wrong place.
Thanks, I found this and feel the hard aspects between Venus and Saturn are described similarly to what I was attempting to express.
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/venussaturnaspects.html IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted November 03, 2011 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
...I found this and feel the hard aspects between Venus and Saturn are described similarly to what I was attempting to express.
Duh, didn't I suggest so in my post above?
Not sure if you saw it. quote:
Saturn conj Venus is a big one for lack of self-love, low self-esteem, insecurities.
But I would imagine most combos of hard aspects between Saturn, Moon and Venus either by sign or by degree could be corroborating forces for such an "attitude".
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Taineberry
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posted November 03, 2011 02:47 AM
Xiiro - Just read the link. Some parts of the description for Venus square Saturn were fairly accurate when I was younger, but - honestly - I seem to have outgrown most of those "fear of rejection based on feeling unloved as a child" issues and now can relate much better to the trine description! IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 03, 2011 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by Xiiro:
Thanks, I found this and feel the hard aspects between Venus and Saturn are described similarly to what I was attempting to express.
Do you find you are quick to reject others, or is it that you feel others often reject you? It's a fine line with that one, ime.
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anongrl10
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posted November 03, 2011 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Xiiro - Just read the link. Some parts of the description for Venus square Saturn were fairly accurate when I was younger, but - honestly - I seem to have outgrown most of those "fear of rejection based on feeling unloved as a child" issues and now can relate much better to the trine description!
Good point! I wanted to say I agree with this view that people are able to outgrow their harsh aspects. I mean it is possible, we're not doomed to remain trapped in a harsh natal aspect for the rest of our lives, but it's also not as easy as it may sound. Like you, Tai, I also overcame/outgrew similar aspects so I know it's possible for anyone. IP: Logged |
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