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RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 03, 2011 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They had a true love stellium with sun conjunct mercury opposite venus in the composite, and great composite aspects with venus trine saturn and venus trine pluto. But their synastry wasn't great. Kris was bound to feel constantly criticized by kim, and sun opposite moon in the composite shows a fundamental tension though it creates attraction. With sun opposite moon in the composite, you better have superb synastry.

It's a shame that a relationship with such nice composite aspects...the love stellium and venus trine pluto which feels wonderful, should have to go to waste, but from what i can tell it seems they might feel the need to get back together.

Sun opposite moon in the composite often makes people break up and want to keep getting back together, plus with venus trine pluto and the love stellium they would always be friends even if they're not partners.

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posted November 03, 2011 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonine8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting observations. I've read composite is relationship itself and how it comes across to others. Do you still personally experience it or is it just the relationship facade?

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posted November 03, 2011 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is rude, to get a divorce and not consult her own man.
I like Kim. But that's awful. I was one that doesn't believe in marriage but man, partnership and love is very...important to me. When I make a promise or some oath to work hard on a relationship to make it work etc I will do it and do it good until I can't live anymore.

I don't like the fact that she didn't take her vows seriously. Her husband still wants to try and that's saying a lot seeing how he's an Aquarius male!!!!!

It saddens me..

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posted November 03, 2011 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was all publicity, as IF it was true love LOL.

My definition of true love is alittle different. It's alot less ostentatious.

^ Aquarius is a fixed sign tho? So I think he was hoping for at least a couple years of marriage lol?

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posted November 03, 2011 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I know that they say the composite is the relationship after it develops yada yada yada, and synastry is the interplay when you first meet each other etc etc. But, in my experience the composite is very powerful. You can feel your composite with someone when you first meet, too. It's not good enough to have good synastry with a bad composite. If you have a weak composite...the relationship will feel like it goes nowhere and like you're not looking in the same direction as a couple or working towards something great together. In my opinion, a good composite is what keeps people together. But a good composite with bad synastry isn't very good either, though in my experience it is a lot better than good synastry with a weak composite. I think good synastry will keep you together for a bit, but if you have a bad composite the relationship will eventually feel scattered, aimless, the bond fading with time.

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posted November 03, 2011 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, all i know is the composite shows it was true love. I do not believe it was a hoax at all, and think the astrology behind it shows that it was genuine. I think that was incredibly rude of Kim, obviously. I dunno, but I'm thinking they might get back together and she is just being childish.

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posted November 03, 2011 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Well, all i know is the composite shows it was true love. I do not believe it was a hoax at all, and think the astrology behind it shows that it was genuine. I think that was incredibly rude of Kim, obviously. I dunno, but I'm thinking they might get back together and she is just being childish.

agree with everything you said
she's only divorcing from what it seems... is because things didn't go how she "expected"/idealized! typical Libra

love/relationships/ and a legal documentation of love (marriage) is not "ideal" she needs to come to reality and it seems the only person that has been able to do this for her is her husband kris.

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posted November 03, 2011 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonine8     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. Do you often find that synastry gets resolved in ciomposite, such as squared moons becoming harmonious, etc.?

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posted November 03, 2011 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you have their birth times? Because the Moon won't be accurate and you won't have houses, which are pretty important in Composites. Perhaps there was a heavy 6th house influence (I doubt that there was much of a 12th house thing going on [which is equally difficult as the 6th, which is why I'm mentioning it] considering their very public relationship).

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posted November 03, 2011 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kris was rude to Kim, not the other way around! Kris was borderline abusive.

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posted November 03, 2011 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, I've never seen it work that way. If you have a square between two planets in synastry but a trine between those same two planets in the composite, you will still feel it, because the feelings for the same aspect in the composite and synastry are often pretty different and have different interpretations. You feel them very differently in real life. I guess the composite shows how "together" a couple feels. If you have the love stellium and lots of planets clustered together that means you feel like you work as one and go better together, usually people who have that feel like soulmates. But, I mean you can still love someone without feeling like soulmates, and that's where a lot of moon-venus, sun-jupiter, and sun-venus feelings come in the composite without the planets being clustered together.

Anyway, I just looked at nick lachey and jessica simpson's composite and synastry and they have the love stellium, too. Their synastry isn't bad at all either, but it's not amazing. About the nicest synastry aspects they have are moon trine uranus and moon trine jupiter, but they have practically no bad aspects. However, they don't have a great number of aspects in total, which is the glue between two people, and they also don't have anything going on with pluto in neither the synastry or composite. Pluto always makes it feel like a relationship is worth it because no matter the troubles you go through it always feels rejuvenating and therapeutic.

Kim and Kris dont have great aspects and they dont have many aspects either, but they do have venus trine pluto in the composite and other really nice aspects in the composite, which i think might be enough to make kim wanna go back. But i guess it's not likely since their synastry isn't the best.

To the person who said houses and the moon are really important in synastry. I would say they are important but not as important as you make them sound. It can say a lot about a relationship, but the most important body in a love relationship composite is venus. The second most important is the sun. The third would be the moon, in my opinion. Most of the time you can get the gist of a relationship by looking at the composite without looking at the moon.

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posted November 04, 2011 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. A composite is what takes effect after a couple has been in a relationship for a few months, then you start seeing it emerge. You don't see the effects if they've only been together a couple of months, gotta take more time.

And also, moon is more important in a composite than venus. Venus is way of love, but moon is about EMOTIONS afterall =).

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posted November 04, 2011 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Kris was rude to Kim, not the other way around! Kris was borderline abusive.


what?!! what evidence? he wasn't rude to her..
he was honest and she needed it!

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posted November 04, 2011 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol...i was looking at jay-z and beyonce's stuff and they don't seem to have anything special going on at all other than mutual venus trine mars aspetcs...wtf?

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posted November 04, 2011 12:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oooookay...Nevermind, then.

I was looking at the composite for jayz and beyonce shown here: http://www.adze.com/Celebrities/BeyonceGiselleKnowles&ShawnJayZCarter.htm

But i put their birthdates into astro.com and it is completely wrong...lol? Okay...

Well, not surprisingly they have the love stellium, and all the planets clustered together...

No wonder they seem so happy together

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posted November 04, 2011 12:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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what?!! what evidence? he wasn't rude to her..
he was honest and she needed it!

The wedding show was enough evidence. He expected her to move to Minnesota and be a child generator, and she would "fade away and nobody would remember [her]." That by itself is an honorable thing for a wife, but consider her background and that she has a more successful career.

I am a conservative guy with old fashioned values myself, but I would never say a woman's place is to keep quiet and do as her husband says. That's the essence of what Kris told Kim.

I'm not calling Kim an angel, but the strife in the marriage was evident even before they got married.

And think about it. I'm a guy and I'm siding with the woman. This isn't about Kim being some "hot chick" either. I would wholeheartedly support any other woman under Kim's circumstances.

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posted November 04, 2011 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But what career? What is she famous for anyway? Besides have a curvy body and a reality show + sex tape and being daughter of Oj simpson's attorney?

She's like really irrelevant in terms of actual ability. She's just famous for nothing really.

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posted November 04, 2011 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The wedding show was enough evidence. He expected her to move to Minnesota and be a child generator, and she would "fade away and nobody would remember [her]." That by itself is an honorable thing for a wife, but consider her background and that she has a more successful career.

I am a conservative guy with old fashioned values myself, but I would never say a woman's place is to keep quiet and do as her husband says. That's the essence of what Kris told Kim.

I'm not calling Kim an angel, but the strife in the marriage was evident even before they got married.

And think about it. I'm a guy and I'm siding with the woman. This isn't about Kim being some "hot chick" either. I would wholeheartedly support any other woman under Kim's circumstances.


No. He was not absuive. Kim was being a bad wife by not even considering moving. it had to be all about her. Guess what? Kris moved to new York, for a while for her! he even moved to la forawhile for her! but she wouldn't even think about moving to minesota.

Also he wasn't be rude it's true no one WILL remember her in 5-10 years! she isn't famous for anything qualitative... nothing endearing she was famous due to exploitation sexually and she milked her 15 minutes of fame. That's it. Kris is a realistic person. Kims the one that wants to buy a 8 room mansion who the f is going to live in an 8 room mansion with just 2 people!???
Kris had to bring her back to reality and say no. He's very conserative on how he spends which in this economy you're wise to do so. and she wants to spend her money so carelessly.

Nothing abusive about his behavior. I don't dislike kim or Kris, but Kim is waaaaay in over her head.

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posted November 04, 2011 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still, he has a point. Why should he get to decide that her "career," whatever it is, should be over?

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posted November 04, 2011 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But what career? What is she famous for anyway? Besides have a curvy body and a reality show + sex tape and being daughter of Oj simpson's attorney?

She's like really irrelevant in terms of actual ability. She's just famous for nothing really.


Forget the curvy body. She made a fool of herself with that sex tape.

Robert was divorced from the family long before the OJ trial and did not figure heavily into Kim's upbringing anyway. He was very successful at what he did, but that meant that he was pretty much absent as a father.

Kim is an emerging brand. Yes, without the reality show, she doesn't amount to much. However, her brand name has begun to be attached to cosmetics and apparel. Its mom Kris that is the brains behind the branding.

Honestly, its a tad better than being a Free Agent second string forward with the New Jersey Nets, especially when the NBA is on strike.

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posted November 04, 2011 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If he doesn't want to adapt to Kim's lifestyle then he shouldnt be with her.....I could never imagine kim living in minnesota....hahaha

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posted November 04, 2011 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And Chris moved to New York City only because the New Jersey Nets are going to be the Brooklyn Nets. Its his career that requires having a home in New York. Why can't he have homes in NYC and LA? Why the need for Kim to be in Minnesota?

Let's distinguish Chris from Kris Jenner, the mom!

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posted November 04, 2011 12:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think he was saying her career was over
he was telling her fame isn't everything family love is more important Kim things this will last forever and it won't and he was informing her a reality "no one will remember you in x amount of years"

It is true especially with how many people she is ******* off with this divorce thing...

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posted November 04, 2011 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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And Chris moved to New York City only because the New Jersey Nets are going to be the Brooklyn Nets. Its his career that requires having a home in New York. Why can't he have homes in NYC and LA? Why the need for Kim to be in Minnesota?

Let's distinguish Chris from Kris Jenner, the mom!



why cant Kim have homes in la new York and minesota?

he went out of his way to live with her why can't she do the same?

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posted November 04, 2011 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There isn't much of a possibility of an entertainment career in Minnesota, while NYC and LA provide such opportunities. LA is where Kim's family is and where her heart is.

A man who truly loves a woman follows the path to her happiness. The man proposed, not the other way around. Don't mean to be a hopeless romantic, but I would live in the ghetto if my wife's heart were there.

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