posted November 06, 2011 05:50 PM            

I like to think first before I talk and it has got to be something I can contribute to the conversation. If there are two people talking about their trip to Mexico and what they did - how can I add to what they are saying? Of if they are talking about a mutual friend, I don't know.

Find a mutual topic of discussion that interests us both. Chances could be that the quiet one turns into a non-stop chatter. For example, what would get me talking is Astrology, Linda Goodman, Music, Canadian places to visit, gas prices, best places to shop when you're on a budget etc......

I talk about stuff I know about and enjoy. I will put a lot of thought in to what I say vs just off the top of my head.

I know I don't use silence as a weapon. In silence I find peace and the ability to be at ease with another - like sitting on a hill watching the sun go down or watching deer frolic in the fields.

I listen a lot and I get to know the people around me that way. I have an unconditional nonjudgemental view of the view and like to be neutral so I can see the person for who they truly are. To connect with a quiet type - here is a challenge for you - be quiet for a day or two and see what you observe.

I have tried the talking bit - doing stand up for 5 minutes on stage and just having people listen to me. I find it a challenge to do stand up.

When annoyed, I know I will get more verbal and want to argue some point till the cows come home.

Here is a quote I collected somewhere that may assist you in your quest

5 Qualities of Spiritual Awareness

1. Tolerance
2. Acceptance
3. Understanding
4. Appreciation
5. To be able to see situations through lovecynn

posted November 07, 2011 05:16 AM            

My Mercury is in Pisces and this has been on my mind lately because I have a friend who has a Libra Mercury. I love this girl. She is a really nice person and I feel very emotionally in tune with her (our Moons are trine).... but I KNOW (because I'm intuitive) that she takes my silence the wrong way.
This is so frustrating and upsetting.
I felt like bringing this up with her, but I don't want to make things awkward between us.

The thing is - she is chatty ALL the time.. She is sociable ALL the time. This comes naturally to her. So she imagines that if I am quiet or if I answer a question briefly... or if perhaps, I don't tell her 'everything'... that this is because I am being a snob and I dislike her.

It's NOT at all true. I really genuinely like her... But I am like this with everyone. I'm just private about certain things so I might not talk to people about that.. It's not that I personally distrust her.
And other times I'm just tired or day dreaming and I genuinely cannot be bothered chatting away.

I can see how if you have an air sign Mercury - it is probably very difficult to understand that a person could actually feel very drained by 'conversation'...
I don't always feel drained... But there are times when I just feel like it's too much for me... I just can't keep going - I need time out!

It's an emotional thing for me.... For instance if I have a very busy, hectic day... my way of unwinding would be to go somewhere outside, in nature - in complete silence. Silence actually feels spiritually healing for me.

It's the opposite for air sign-influenced people.. in particular air sign Mercury. For them *communication* has the same effect on their psyche that *silence* has on mine. It calms them down and puts them at ease to communicate.
From my perspective - sometimes silence can put me at ease more than anything.

I'm not surprised your water&earth Mercury friends tried to be extra nice after you brought this up with them.... because that is exactly what I do.
I TRY so hard to be more like her in conversation and be more upbeat and extra sociable.. so that she feels comfortable... but this is sooooooo annoying for me (because it doesn't come naturally). Pisces Mercury can be a good actor... so I can 'mimic' for a while... but I get tired of it!

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Ok! Just read your second post!

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If I may ask another question, though: what does it mean when people talk to some and not others, even if the person seems not to be upset with me?

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Astrologically speaking – it might mean these people have compatible Mercuries. You can care a LOT about someone and still not have very good communication. It does happen.

I’m not sure why, but this year in particular I have paid so much attention to my friends – to the way we interact. I tried to work out who I prefer talking to and who makes me uncomfortable in conversation. The biggest thing I noticed is that – when a fellow water Mercury person approaches me… what they say to me always has some kind of emotional content or it brings out an emotional reaction in me. This makes it easy for me to connect further and keep talking.

When masculine-sign Mercuries talk to me.. it is usually about things that are more ‘surface’…. More like chit-chat… It doesn’t seem ‘emotionally intense’.
Water is highly emotional… so anything that is filled with emotional intensity makes you feel very comfortable… whereas something lacking that intensity makes you feel awkward.

Maybe you could relate to this a little on a Venusian (or Moon) level. Your Moon&Venus are in water… If you happen have an ex-bf with an air sign Moon or Venus – you may have felt a kind of detachment in him that is very different to the way you are.

If you did ^ then you can probably understand from my perspective! Because it is exactly that KIND of feeling ^ only it happens on a more intellectual/Mercurial level.

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This has happened a lot with me and certain people. Why am I not good enough or liked enough or why don't I matter enough to receive a reply and other people are?

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Nooooooooo It’s not at all YOU! Honestly.. I really doubt that it is anything you are doing wrong. Please don’t take this to heart.

When you don’t have compatible Mercuries with someone… it’s simply not so easy to just “talk”. Something is always out of sync.

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I mean, yes, I understand that sometimes others will have a more pressing situation, and that one answer makes sense, but I know that it's not the answer 100% of the time.

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If I really matter to someone, why don't they want to talk to me?

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Because people express love differently. I am not saying this is the answer every time. But in my case – I express affection more physically… like I’d rather give someone a hug to show them I care.

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In one case, I've sent people very nice messages--like one specific one that I'm thinking about, I sent a beautiful quotation that was really lovely and I wanted to share it because the beauty was so great that I wanted to give that little gift to someone else so that they could enjoy it.
At this point, I've resolved to simply never do that ever again because the silence just hurts me too much and sends me the message to go away and withdraw.

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I understand that this would be upsetting! It’s much more likely for this to happen with a man. This is because men are generally less social and unable to reply to something like a sweet, caring message.
I wouldn’t personally be ‘quiet’ in this situation. I would definitely reply & say thank you.

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It frustrates me that all that I do when I talk to people is bother them no matter how hard I try not to do that.

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No matter how much effort I put into making messages desirable and beautiful, all that I am is ugliness to other people. It is deeply upsetting to me.

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I am positive that this is in your head. You are misinterpreting silence to be something negative and you are taking it as a rejection – which it isn’t!

I have had this happen in the past with other air sign people. It still happens with my father. Every second week or so he gets upset with me because I did not reply to an email of his. He is a quadruple Aquarian and I have 0 air in my chart!

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For me, when others don't communicate with me after I've communicated, it doesn't feel "peaceful". It feels the opposite: anxiety-inducing, stressful, being pushed away and sent the message that I am not worthy of them. Could you please elaborate on this a little more so that I can understand this? Like, what about it feels peaceful? I love the image that you use of the sunset and the deer, but I struggle to fully "feel" them and make sense of them *emotionally* even though they make sense intellectually.

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I’m a lot like Cynnred on this. What feels peaceful is the feeling of connectedness with another person. I feel like our souls are connecting – and there's no need to talk at all. I always have this connection with other water Mercuries. It feels nice to me… It probably feels as nice and comfy as you would feel with an air Mercury!

It doesn’t have to be a bad thing though. It is no measure of love or affection. I would say the Moon has more to do with affection. You can genuinely love someone… even if you are a bit out of sync in terms of communication!

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t feels the opposite: anxiety-inducing, stressful, being pushed away and sent the message that I am not worthy of them.

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posted November 07, 2011 05:51 AM            

--how can I meet you halfway and find a point of compromise that works for both of us in terms of communication?

--if communication is not your way of connecting to people, then what is? how can I speak to you in your own language?

--what *does* it usually mean when you are not being communicative? or when you are communicating, but only to some and not others--and when it *isn't* due to being upset or annoyed by them?

--in the cases of the people to whom I referred who haven't given me an answer (the ones that I've asked if I was irritating or bothering them), but who have been nicer: is that your way of saying that things are OK, rather than saying it directly? are things in this situation really OK even when this hasn't been stated directly?

--what else can those of us who are more talkative/communicative do to have better relationships with you who are less communicative?

I don't mean to whine or anything; I don't expect anyone to change for me, either. I honestly just want to understand people with these placements a little more and try to appreciate where they are coming from. I would like to find ways of feeling connected that work for both people.

Thanks!/b]

You are so charming, I don't even know you but already, I like you. Must be the moon trine Venus aspect which is [b]exactly like mine) as well as the Libra action with Mercury and Sun.

Your Mars is my mercury and your mercury is my Mars. Yikes!~ lol

Anyway, to answer your question....

--how can I meet you halfway and find a point of compromise that works for both of us in terms of communication?

Well, I think it is important to include house positions as far as this goes. I have mercury in Cap, but because I have it in the 9th house, I like talking on a broad spectrum of subjects.

I also have it opposing my Mercury which means I like expressing(mercury) how I feel(moon). This is further compounded by my moon in 3rd

But because of the opposition, I need to balance both the emotional aspect of my type of communication style(Moon Cancer) with the my more reasoning capacity(Cap Merc).

I am a very animated talker when I like the company I am conversing with, otherwise I can be very quiet and sullen. This is usually when I am feeling bored and/or uncomfortable with the people around me.

But I also tend to sulk and be reclusive when I feel insulted or offended by something someone says. But I think that my moon in Cancer is to blame for that.

When I get like that, it is best to gently coaxe me into talking about whatever it is that is wrong. I tend to "bounce back" after I have let off some steam. But that is just for me.

--if communication is not your way of connecting to people, then what is? how can I speak to you in your own language?

On the contrary, communication to me is also key. But if you want to speak my language, you don't have to communicate about every single thing. I just can't stand small talk, I was never good at that(even as a kid).

I like references to personal experiences, sarcasm and even self-deprecation.

--what *does* it usually mean when you are not being communicative? or when you are communicating, but only to some and not others--and when it *isn't* due to being upset or annoyed by them?

At times, I jsut want an objective, unbiased point of view. If I am convinced that some people may have an answer to a question that other people do not have, I simply consult those few and invariably leave others out the net.

I also don't like being interrupted, having to reapeat myself, have someone paying attention to something else whilst I am talking. I know its petty, but these are some of the things that make me weary about talking to some people.

Some of my closest friends say things like

"Sorry, you were saying..." water mercury

"I am sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt,you were about to say..." water mercury

"Can we talk about this some other time? My attention is elsewhere right now..." Earth mercury

I LOVE that.

I HATE being ignored. And air/fire mercury has a tendency of making me feel like what I have to say, has no bearing. In the end I come off to them as "too serious". Its not that I am "serious", I am just keen on what is being communicated being communicated timeously and appropriately.

--in the cases of the people to whom I referred who haven't given me an answer (the ones that I've asked if I was irritating or bothering them), but who have been nicer: is that your way of saying that things are OK, rather than saying it directly? are things in this situation really OK even when this hasn't been stated directly?

The best thing to do with this one is to lay things on the table.

Most people respond to other's cues/body language and tone of voice to know whther or not they are, as you say, "OK".

But I usualy have a heart to heart, wipe the slate clean and start over on a new leaf.When I am "ok" with you, I talk with you a great deal of whatever it is that is on my mind; what bothers me, what I find funny, what patterns I have noticed etc.

When I am not "ok" with you, I keep my comments brief and staright to the point. There is no need to extend beyond the formal niceties.

--what else can those of us who are more talkative/communicative do to have better relationships with you who are less communicative?

I don't mind people who are way more communicative in style than I. But it must be noted that they shouldn't expect the same from me.

If I don't feel like talking about something/ not talking period. Please don't force issues as this will further aggravate things between us.

And pleae, please, please, don't bombard me with a whole lot of irrelevant information and petty details. That is sure to put me in a silent mode.

Make sure that I ask questions; coz that means I actually am listening.And allow for my input( coz that means we are having a dialogue as opposed to you having a monologue).

Sometimes silence is best. My friend has mercury in water and he can just get QUIET.

It used to get to me but I realize that sometimes when there is nothing to say, doesn't necessarily mean that something is "wrong".

posted November 07, 2011 09:23 AM            

I understand that for other mercuries being silent with someone and not feeling any anxiety or tension is what works for them. I enjoy some silence myself and I don't mind this. However, if I start a conversation or talk to them I would prefer a response or something more than say, "yeah alright". I think Betty is right in the sense that mercuries connect better with certain mercuries. I want/need people to talk to me at least a little. I was in a relationship where I didn't get this communication I needed and that was the end of that. Her mercury was in Taurus, so just me being near her or with her was enough for her security of mind but I didn't feel like I mattered to her as she wouldn't talk to me like I needed. This was before I got into Astrology as a potential way of understanding people better. I say security of mind because that is how I think about it. Scorpio mercuries need security of emotion through their mental connection with someone etc. Generally elements share similar mercurial needs, Gemini, Libra and Aqaurius need talk. (I'm actually unsure about Aquarius mercuries as I haven't met any I don't think or at least don't know them well enough.)

The one thing I can say, is to talk to these people you want to understand better. Although you may not have the best mental/communicative connection with these people just explain that talking to them or getting a reply from them every once in a while reassures you that they still enjoy your friendship. Equally ask them what they need to reassure themselves that you still value their friendship. Asking the people you want to know about is the easiest and best way of finding out what you want to know.

Betty Boop's post is very informative and answers most of your questions.

I get the situation with your friend where you feel like she wants you to tell her everything. I have Venus and Pluto in Scorpio coupled with my curious chatty Gemini moon and people focused chatty Libra Mercury. I want to know all about the people I care about, so I can do everything in my power, Libra Mars to help them through life.

Best of luck Platero.

posted November 08, 2011 12:36 AM            

I'm not sure how to explain/expand on the peace in being in silence with another. This has nothing to do with another person but I can compare the feeling to when you are savoring one of your favorite foods....just taking in the flavor of it all. If that makes sense - from left field.

Taking to other and not some some - maybe there is more of a bond or a safe space for the person. I know out of a whole handful of comics I hang out with some times, there are some that I have bonded with.

I get so envious of the comics that I know who have become fast best friends and do a lot of things together while I an out of the loop. I crave being social and deep conversations but can't do with with small talk on random things that I don't know about.

Sometimes people seem "quirky" in who they are but it is just them.

I also have a Cancer Moon - it is also square my mercury as well.....the words and feelings get jumbled up and used to leave me confused. A cancer moon feel very deeply and loves deeply.

I have a Venus in Pisces - like any water Venus - they wants a connection on a soul level. They want to share with their heart and soul....and get deeply hurt when it doesn't come back to them that way.

My Mars is also in Capricorn.....

Just some more insights.......

Cynn

Last thought of the night is one may learn to be at peace with where the other person is at. If they don't want to talk and want to be silent they can. If one wants to talk your ear off and talk all night, then that is good too. Being there in the moment with another is a cool thing to do - in a receptive way. Chatty or not, I think the idea when dealing with others is not turn things into an issue....they are the way they are. I have a family member who is grouchy as can be and doesn't communicate with me but will with others. That is just him.

I have a 9 year old that loves to talk her head off when she is awake - now she has a Mercury in Gemini. I think she is in the same boat as you - when she comes home to visit she is surrounded by earth mercuries. My Cappy mercury boyfriend complains an awful lot about just how gabby my 9 year old is and that kids need to be quiet. I tell him that she is a talker and likes to talk and tell me a lot of things - so I just take it in and listen to her. Repeat a few things and ask a few questions and she is happy.

posted November 08, 2011 02:35 AM            

I get pretty annoyed by people that refuse to engage in conversation. I talk and talk and talk especially when I get going. And especially with WAter mercuries I don't understand them at all. They see thinks differently than I do, they take things personally and I don't like their silence. As I enjoy great mental stimulation I need to be around people that can encourage my mental growth I love constant conversing so I get put off by the silence and sometimes think I did or said something wrong.

I'll be watching this thread. But ya it's natural for air mercuries to just love that mental stimulation, when we meet people that don't engage, it tends to rub us the wrong way.

posted November 08, 2011 06:28 AM            

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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
This is aimed at earth sign Mercury people as well as water sign Mercury people.

I am having a bit of trouble coping with a few people that I really like who have earthy and watery Mercury signs. I like them, but many are simply are not good at communication--some just don't talk a lot and aren't really conversational, others are very good with speaking and words but just really suck at responding to me even though they are nice to me when we meet in person. I worry a lot that these people secretly don't like me or find me irritating, but I have asked about this directly to some and they have said that this isn't the case (and I know that they were being honest based on things like tone, body language, and my own gut feeling). Some, though, never really gave me an answer, but have been nicer to me lately. Me, I use silence as a weapon. With few exceptions (e.g., having nothing to say, being in shock, or being unknowledgeable about something), when I am silent and distant, I've been very deeply hurt and am upset with someone. If I blow up at a person (which is fairly rare), he or she has nothing to worry about; I'll realize that I've been a you-know-what and will calm down and apologize. So, even though I consciously know that not everyone uses silence that way, I'm still in the process of training myself not to automatically think that. It's something that I'm working on. I personally equate communication with "being OK" with people and I feel more secure when I can have a good conversation with someone or if we exchange good messages. Good communication experiences are like little treasures for me; they bring me a lot of joy.

I genuinely don't wish to overwhelm people, and I try not to do that. I really do like people and love talking with them, but I do try to be considerate and give space. I really do try not to be overwhelming and to curb my enthusiasm for conversation.

So, my questions to the water and earth Mercury people are these:

--how can I meet you halfway and find a point of compromise that works for both of us in terms of communication?

--if communication is not your way of connecting to people, then what is? how can I speak to you in your own language?

--what *does* it usually mean when you are not being communicative? or when you are communicating, but only to some and not others--and when it *isn't* due to being upset or annoyed by them?

--in the cases of the people to whom I referred who haven't given me an answer (the ones that I've asked if I was irritating or bothering them), but who have been nicer: is that your way of saying that things are OK, rather than saying it directly? are things in this situation really OK even when this hasn't been stated directly?

--what else can those of us who are more talkative/communicative do to have better relationships with you who are less communicative?

I don't mean to whine or anything; I don't expect anyone to change for me, either. I honestly just want to understand people with these placements a little more and try to appreciate where they are coming from. I would like to find ways of feeling connected that work for both people.

Thanks!

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Having Mercury in Capricorn, I can definitely identify with your frustration. There are times I get frustrated with my self because of dissatisfaction with the way I have communicated. I think it's important to keep in mind that Mercury is not just a person's method of communication, but the entire structure of their thinking processes. Speaking in terms of Earth-Mercury, thoughts and communication have weight and value, words are symbols which carry important meaning. An earth mind must work in methods, cycles, and patterns before it is capable of bearing fruit. Taurus is a cautious mind which communicates through slowly savoring ideas, categorizing them by quality, and sculpting a conclusion. Silence in the Taurian sense is the time it takes for ideas to take root, grow, and finally bloom. Virgo is a mind focused on refinement, discrimination, and getting the job done well. The Virgo mind requires a focus to refine. Once the focus is weeded out, the Virgo-Mercury seeks out any flaws, refines them out, then finds the best way to communicate exactly what needs to be communicated. Silence in Virgo's case, often has to do with waiting to collect and pick through all the facts before responding. The Capricorn mind observes life's experiences and builds a database of words and examples for explaining those experiences. Capricorn-Mercury takes great pains to find the perfect words to describe (sometimes very simple) ideas. This is because outside words and numbers, life is a very nebulous experience to these natives. In some cases the communication of certain things may seem like a useless cause, because they are just too awesome to attempt. Silence from a Capricorn-Mercury could simply be due to not feeling there is anything which requires communicating.

Your questions:

“--how can I meet you halfway and find a point of compromise that works for both of us in terms of communication?”

Acceptance is helpful for us. Many of us can feel stress over communication, because the world is geared toward people who communicate quickly. Some of us even grew up feeling like something was wrong with us because we needed time for ideas to sink in, or we needed people to repeat something several times due to our only focusing on pieces of their sentences. Understanding that what comes out of our mouth required effort and contemplation and is therefor somehow specially tailored for you, may help with some frustration. Also keep in mind that some Earth-Mercuries expect everything you say to hold the same value. If you enjoy talking for the sake of talking, they may not fully get that and take seriously, something you may not give much weight to. The trick for me is to be straight-forward. If I didn't have some of my other planets, I would get very frustrated having to memorize all the little quirks and ways different people enjoy communicating. Telling me directly, “Sometimes I just enjoy chatting for the heck of it, if I say something that bothers you, it was likely not meant that way. Just ask me about it if something like that happens” can be very helpful.

--if communication is not your way of connecting to people, then what is? how can I speak to you in your own language?

I think communication is by definition, the way we connect with others. I think it is our reason and method for communicating which may be different. Earth-Mercuries often communicate in a stable supportive way. When we talk we like to make direct points and support others in their experiences. We attempt to show support and bolster or help structure loose ideas which may need to be tucked into the greater stream of consciousness. Or goal is to communicate in constructive and useful ways. In a way I guess I desire for others to do the same, but part of that has to do with my Mercury opposing Jupiter and a desire to use communication as a method of mutual growth. I think the best way a person could speak my language would be for them to just be patient and accepting of the fact that my mind requires a process every time it springs into action. Appreciation of that process and an understanding that I am talking from personal experience or education or some other valuable source, will also win points. This does not mean you have to agree or believe I am correct, just that you understand I am not going to say something without having some form of support behind it. Finding a topic I enjoy is a good way to get me talking. Ultimately, Earth-Mercury
likes results and physical evidence over empty words. Saying something is one thing, but doing it is a whole other thing.

--what *does* it usually mean when you are not being communicative? or when you are communicating, but only to some and not others--and when it *isn't* due to being upset or annoyed by them?

For me, I don't communicate when there isn't reason to communicate. When I'm hungry, I eat food and satisfy that need, when something needs to be communicated, I use words and ideas to satisfy that need. I actually find small talk a bit frustrating. I am capable of enjoying you as much in silence as I do when we are chatting. It's not to say that I don't randomly chat about crap, but finding things to talk about with people can be frustrating. If a person wants to talk, I would much prefer them leading the conversation and me adding support to the topic as it flows. Having to come up with new things to talk about spins my mind into a whole thing about what topics would be the best to talk about in the situation, what things have I observed are comfortable or taboo topics for the other person, etc...

--in the cases of the people to whom I referred who haven't given me an answer (the ones that I've asked if I was irritating or bothering them), but who have been nicer: is that your way of saying that things are OK, rather than saying it directly? are things in this situation really OK even when this hasn't been stated directly?

If things are not okay with me I will avoid conversation, because I probably feel nothing constructive comes from our conversations. I can't speculate why the people you are writing about acted the way they did. If someone randomly asked me if they annoyed me though, I would probably just assume it was an insecurity of theirs and expect I had wrongly communicated to them that they annoyed me. I would make an effort in my future interactions to communicate to them they don't annoy me (if they actually don't). Earth-Mercuries can be pretty direct in the way they communicate. If they don't like you, there is no question about it. If they like you or just consider you part of the ambiance, they will treat you cordially.

--what else can those of us who are more talkative/communicative do to have better relationships with you who are less communicative?

posted November 08, 2011 09:33 AM            

Wide-talk or those type of platonic responses in a conversation like "think positively / you did it yourself - it's your own fault / it's fate - destiny etc." is so absolutely annoying, empty and out of the context to me that I will never open up to these kind of 'preachers' if I only feel the slightest tendency towards it.
True conversation or nothing at all(= just the basic small talk).

Time & patience is indeed very important, it's almost as if these hollow phrases are created to make our ruling lack of time acceptable.

posted November 08, 2011 11:24 AM            

EVERYTHING is subjective!!!! EVERYTHING!!!1

once scorpio mercury has had some EMOTIONAL reaction or experience with somebody, they're sure to not be able to let it go, at all, and will stick to their resentment like glue! they (all mercury water signs) will respond to their emotions.. not what is at hand, not what is being discussed but their emotional reaction/memory to the entire thing!

they don't befriend people just to befriend them, there has to be something that they can relate to.. even if they're completely mistaken, if they see something in the person that they felt they went through or were in their shoes at one point or another, find a mercury water sign to be there trying to friend them when there's probably no f'in need!

water can be shaped into something so especially the mercury in pisces can go about yelling for the cause of someone else or repeating what someone else has told them or even how they speak, sometimes..

it can be better stirred by an air sign which will cause them to be thrown into a frizz of not understanding themselves once u point out to them how they respond to things and how irrational they can be.

but still, if you're only air and don't have the power to impact or direct the air or the fire to harden the earth before you penetrate, you'll only get some surface splashing aka tears and not much else..

mercury in pisces? you've gotta know how to strike them.. because they will never talk to you.. they will tell you what you want to hear and then hide away as if nothing happened.. when there are important things that need to be talked about, they will run away as fast as possible!

so you've gotta be the fisherman in the river with the fishing stick waiting for them to then strike and get what you need.. which can result in their crying if it's something that they've been avoiding and is something quite serious; if it's serious, expect the avoidance even more.

they are more than comfortable when they need to say something, and they will, even if it isn't pleasant to the other people because water mercury's can be unbelievably selfish and only concerned with their own point of view and their own emotional current; they either need to release it or hide it or express it somewhere with a good cry.

pisces mercury loves to hide out and write.. they won't show the world, but they'll listen to romantic songs and things like that and that's their world.. they'll put on a brave face if they have to because some can be arian sun's or aquarius, even...

they can put on a brave face to try to scare off opposition but it is only a trick where they think they can intimidate others before they're found out as to avoid dealing with things.

mercury's in scorpio can be the same way... i had a friend that we would have very looong conversations and til this day i've learned a lot through that friendship.

but they'll try to boss you around.. if you know them, u understand that sometimes it's important for them to feel that way; for an air mercury, i think it's easier to deal with one of those than a constantly changing pisces mercury.. the mercury in scorpio is at least fixed.

they'll stay true to almost everything.. it's sometimes disappointing to hear them still listening to music from about 20 years ago when they were still in high school.. but the music isn't what it is about, it's about the memories it gives them.

they can be more willing to change than a mutable which is constantly changing! the thing with them is, that they need cold hard proof of something before they consider taking it upon themselves to do anything different.

if they trust the person, there's almost nothing that they're not willing to talk about.. which is great, actually --for an air mercury, i think it's something to definitely admire.

the blind spot is that their emotions can imprint what they do, say, or react when responding to something.

say, one day you might've said something to mercury in scorpio and they say they've gotten over it, and the relationship moves forward but their subconscious still harbors that resentment.. expect it to jump out on it's own when you least expect it thinking that you guys had moved past that.

they won't let it go.
even discussing it, or pointing it out to them that they're holding on to something that is not allowing them or you to grow, will do very little as they can penetrate into others but they can't penetrate into themselves..

their only point of reference would be you and the trust that they have in you..

for everyone else, they'd have to deal with the mind games.. the 'let's make out but oh, no, all of a sudden i have to go'..

there's some self-esteem thing to be going on with mercury's in scorpio.. if they feel safe and nurtured and cared for, they can let out a lot of the scorpio side which can be beautiful to see because it can be a very creative mercury and very funny!

however deep your conversations are, is how deep you can get but the scorpio fixed-ness.. the friend and i would have to take breaks between our friendship; months not talking til maybe later and then find them being somewhat different.

but i learned something from them... someone, anyone from the past, will for some reason have you responding to them and the rest of the world how you would've done yourself in the past..

i've had very little experience with mercury's in Cancer because they square my mars and oppose my neptune... that's not something that i really want to be mentally dealing with on a daily basis because then i'd need a scorpio mercury around to decipher all of that b.s.

i've dealt with fire mercury's and i find they're also self-involved but not with ill intent.. they can pretty much just say whatever pops into their mind and just move on with it hoping other people do the same and don't really understand when other people get offended because of something stupid they've said.

their humor can be cruel, lots of the time it can be aggressive and i think there's is an undertone of all signs where the strongest element appears and with fire, i think aries carry over some trait to all fire signs so which is why i think they can be selfish..

mercury's in leo are perhaps the most self-righteous with sagittarius being the one to not give a f'ck.

talk to a mercury in leo for hours and hours on end and they'll try to finish off the argument or conversation by doing a recap of the entire thing and then tell you something along the lines of 'so, see? i'm perhaps a little more open minded than you think'

it'll ALWAYS have to be that way where they refer it to something good about themselves.. they can be rude depending on where their sun is.. i've to meet many leo's or virgo's with mercury there but a lot of them could be Cancer's.. i think that's where a lot of them get their humor from because mercury in leo can be funny but they get to a point where they expect everyone to laugh at all of their jokes after a while and have found some of them to even go as far as kinda knocking down somebody else who might be funny for the sake of them feeling that they don't have the mic any longer. it all is for the sake of the ego and the more harmed or low their self-esteem is, the worse that mercury in leo can act out.

the earth mercury's are a thing all on their own because i find them to be level-headed and their practicality can't really be argued with unless it's a --well, not true... i find them to be slow , VERY slow!

mercury in taurus: think of the jock or typical meathead sports guy.. that's them.. they don't really 'get it'.. it takes them forever to get something and they can be the last one to chime in with an 'ohhhhhhh...' if someone tells a joke.. the mercury's in virgo: sigh....... they can fry anyone's nerves.. soothing them would require proof.. of whatever they're going on about, if u show them that you care by working it out or looking into it for them so that they then are open to what you're saying is pretty much all they need.. i think they're used to doing everything themselves and they're probably the one's that coined the 'if u want something done right, then you gotta do it yourself'.

it's not unlike a mercury in capricorn but mercury in capricorn notices it's shortcomings and is eager and willing to learn... the only thing with them is that there has to be a brochure, a schedule, a course and they'll get as many degrees as possible even if their knowledge over something is very minimal (degree's don't mean much of anything, guys) -they'll have their degree's, talk a bit about what they know, they love to listen to things they believe are based in fact and are most likely to want to change, or broaden their scope, or expand their horizon.. it's a little cute.. i think any air sign can appreciate it but still, they are an earth sign.

it'll take them long courses of study to get something. even then, they'll only learn so far as they were taught and won't take basic points to then run with it.. if you have the patience, they can be good reference points to check with from time to time as along their progress, they've probably gotten to some stuff that you may not have as an air sign because they've gone by the book...

air signs don't always go by the book, they get the general gist of it and take off with it and work their way around because it can be unbelievably easy... the only one i've found to not have that, is of course the aquarian mercury..

that's not a placement i find to be very fun to deal with.. aquarians are already self-righteous to the 't' but because they're so opposed to being anything like leo, u can't see much of it unless you talk to them..

they can say some weird stuff, claim freedom for all but once you actually see them in conversation, you realize how bad it actually is.. they're more defensive with their ideas and consider almost anything an opposition even if it does agree with them...

something with all aquarius things is that even when they've found they belong, they'll go about alienating everyone else on purpose by what they do or say and will excuse it by something they think was absolutely brilliant.. what they don't realize is that they have just crapped all over their effectiveness by being so self involved and closed minded (because even physically, they can be closed off)

they have no references... they don't know what exactly to compare to and they don't know how to compare so they just assume that everyone else is either in, or they're not and if they're not, they're stupid because obviously, they could never be wrong but even if they are in, they're stupid too because they're just trying to cash in on their 'brilliantness'...

posted November 08, 2011 12:23 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
Mercury in Libra here.. from one air sign to another; i grew up with a sun, mercury, venus in pisces person and a best friend of 7 yrs that had mercury in scorpio....

EVERYTHING is subjective!!!! EVERYTHING!!!1

once scorpio mercury has had some EMOTIONAL reaction or experience with somebody, they're sure to not be able to let it go, at all, and will stick to their resentment like glue! they (all mercury water signs) will respond to their emotions.. not what is at hand, not what is being discussed but their emotional reaction/memory to the entire thing!

they don't befriend people just to befriend them, there has to be something that they can relate to.. even if they're completely mistaken, if they see something in the person that they felt they went through or were in their shoes at one point or another, find a mercury water sign to be there trying to friend them when there's probably no f'in need!

water can be shaped into something so especially the mercury in pisces can go about yelling for the cause of someone else or repeating what someone else has told them or even how they speak, sometimes..

it can be better stirred by an air sign which will cause them to be thrown into a frizz of not understanding themselves once u point out to them how they respond to things and how irrational they can be.

but still, if you're only air and don't have the power to impact or direct the air or the fire to harden the earth before you penetrate, you'll only get some surface splashing aka tears and not much else..

mercury in pisces? you've gotta know how to strike them.. because they will never talk to you.. they will tell you what you want to hear and then hide away as if nothing happened.. when there are important things that need to be talked about, they will run away as fast as possible!

so you've gotta be the fisherman in the river with the fishing stick waiting for them to then strike and get what you need.. which can result in their crying if it's something that they've been avoiding and is something quite serious; if it's serious, expect the avoidance even more.

they are more than comfortable when [b]they need to say something, and they will, even if it isn't pleasant to the other people because water mercury's can be unbelievably selfish and only concerned with their own point of view and their own emotional current; they either need to release it or hide it or express it somewhere with a good cry.

pisces mercury loves to hide out and write.. they won't show the world, but they'll listen to romantic songs and things like that and that's their world.. they'll put on a brave face if they have to because some can be arian sun's or aquarius, even...

they can put on a brave face to try to scare off opposition but it is only a trick where they think they can intimidate others before they're found out as to avoid dealing with things.

mercury's in scorpio can be the same way... i had a friend that we would have very looong conversations and til this day i've learned a lot through that friendship.

but they'll try to boss you around.. if you know them, u understand that sometimes it's important for them to feel that way; for an air mercury, i think it's easier to deal with one of those than a constantly changing pisces mercury.. the mercury in scorpio is at least fixed.

they'll stay true to almost everything.. it's sometimes disappointing to hear them still listening to music from about 20 years ago when they were still in high school.. but the music isn't what it is about, it's about the memories it gives them.

they can be more willing to change than a mutable which is constantly changing! the thing with them is, that they need cold hard proof of something before they consider taking it upon themselves to do anything different.

if they trust the person, there's almost nothing that they're not willing to talk about.. which is great, actually --for an air mercury, i think it's something to definitely admire.

the blind spot is that their emotions can imprint what they do, say, or react when responding to something.

say, one day you might've said something to mercury in scorpio and they say they've gotten over it, and the relationship moves forward but their subconscious still harbors that resentment.. expect it to jump out on it's own when you least expect it thinking that you guys had moved past that.

they won't let it go.
even discussing it, or pointing it out to them that they're holding on to something that is not allowing them or you to grow, will do very little as they can penetrate into others but they can't penetrate into themselves..

their only point of reference would be you and the trust that they have in you..

for everyone else, they'd have to deal with the mind games.. the 'let's make out but oh, no, all of a sudden i have to go'..

there's some self-esteem thing to be going on with mercury's in scorpio.. if they feel safe and nurtured and cared for, they can let out a lot of the scorpio side which can be beautiful to see because it can be a very creative mercury and very funny!

however deep your conversations are, is how deep you can get but the scorpio fixed-ness.. the friend and i would have to take breaks between our friendship; months not talking til maybe later and then find them being somewhat different.

but i learned something from them... someone, anyone from the past, will for some reason have you responding to them and the rest of the world how you would've done yourself in the past..

i've had very little experience with mercury's in Cancer because they square my mars and oppose my neptune... that's not something that i really want to be mentally dealing with on a daily basis because then i'd need a scorpio mercury around to decipher all of that b.s.

i've dealt with fire mercury's and i find they're also self-involved but not with ill intent.. they can pretty much just say whatever pops into their mind and just move on with it hoping other people do the same and don't really understand when other people get offended because of something stupid they've said.

their humor can be cruel, lots of the time it can be aggressive and i think there's is an undertone of all signs where the strongest element appears and with fire, i think aries carry over some trait to all fire signs so which is why i think they can be selfish..

mercury's in leo are perhaps the most self-righteous with sagittarius being the one to not give a f'ck.

talk to a mercury in leo for hours and hours on end and they'll try to finish off the argument or conversation by doing a recap of the entire thing and then tell you something along the lines of 'so, see? i'm perhaps a little more open minded than you think'

it'll ALWAYS have to be that way where they refer it to something good about themselves.. they can be rude depending on where their sun is.. i've to meet many leo's or virgo's with mercury there but a lot of them could be Cancer's.. i think that's where a lot of them get their humor from because mercury in leo can be funny but they get to a point where they expect everyone to laugh at all of their jokes after a while and have found some of them to even go as far as kinda knocking down somebody else who might be funny for the sake of them feeling that they don't have the mic any longer. it all is for the sake of the ego and the more harmed or low their self-esteem is, the worse that mercury in leo can act out.

the earth mercury's are a thing all on their own because i find them to be level-headed and their practicality can't really be argued with unless it's a --well, not true... i find them to be slow , VERY slow!

mercury in taurus: think of the jock or typical meathead sports guy.. that's them.. they don't really 'get it'.. it takes them forever to get something and they can be the last one to chime in with an 'ohhhhhhh...' if someone tells a joke.. the mercury's in virgo: sigh....... they can fry anyone's nerves.. soothing them would require proof.. of whatever they're going on about, if u show them that you care by working it out or looking into it for them so that they then are open to what you're saying is pretty much all they need.. i think they're used to doing everything themselves and they're probably the one's that coined the 'if u want something done right, then you gotta do it yourself'.

it's not unlike a mercury in capricorn but mercury in capricorn notices it's shortcomings and is eager and willing to learn... the only thing with them is that there has to be a brochure, a schedule, a course and they'll get as many degrees as possible even if their knowledge over something is very minimal (degree's don't mean much of anything, guys) -they'll have their degree's, talk a bit about what they know, they love to listen to things they believe are based in fact and are most likely to want to change, or broaden their scope, or expand their horizon.. it's a little cute.. i think any air sign can appreciate it but still, they are an earth sign.

it'll take them long courses of study to get something. even then, they'll only learn so far as they were taught and won't take basic points to then run with it.. if you have the patience, they can be good reference points to check with from time to time as along their progress, they've probably gotten to some stuff that you may not have as an air sign because they've gone by the book...

air signs don't always go by the book, they get the general gist of it and take off with it and work their way around because it can be unbelievably easy... the only one i've found to not have that, is of course the aquarian mercury..

that's not a placement i find to be very fun to deal with.. aquarians are already self-righteous to the 't' but because they're so opposed to being anything like leo, u can't see much of it unless you talk to them..

they can say some weird stuff, claim freedom for all but once you actually see them in conversation, you realize how bad it actually is.. they're more defensive with their ideas and consider almost anything an opposition even if it does agree with them...

something with all aquarius things is that even when they've found they belong, they'll go about alienating everyone else on purpose by what they do or say and will excuse it by something they think was absolutely brilliant.. what they don't realize is that they have just crapped all over their effectiveness by being so self involved and closed minded (because even physically, they can be closed off)

they have no references... they don't know what exactly to compare to and they don't know how to compare so they just assume that everyone else is either in, or they're not and if they're not, they're stupid because obviously, they could never be wrong but even if they are in, they're stupid too because they're just trying to cash in on their 'brilliantness'...

i don't know exactly what that mercury there bears but if it's water, i've found that from there, i don't want to drink. :/[/B]

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posted November 08, 2011 12:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Cynnared:
You need an editor who knows how to put things down in diplomatic terms.

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posted November 08, 2011 03:10 PM            

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They will never talk to you.. they will tell you what you want to hear and then hide away as if nothing happened

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I have a Pisces Merc &. Aries sun --- At the end of the day I feel like life's too short. Why should I be around people who I don't feel comfortable around and whom I don't like communicating with when I can avoid that? Can you give me a good reason?

posted November 09, 2011 12:08 PM            

I'm a cancer mercury and i think that anyone who is silent with me is being kind of rude. You have to contribute to the conversation bc anything in any relationship is a two-way street. I also know a scorpio mercury who has said the same thing about people who dont talk in a conversation. Now, there are some people who are shy and YES i do most of the talking in that case, but i see that they ARE trying to contribute and that it is uncomfortable for them to talk to the standard and amount that i'm talking until we get to know each other better and they feel more comfortable. But then there are people who will just be quiet and listen and smile. And that's cool and all....but eventually i will get bored if they dont open up. It's only a matter of time.

posted November 12, 2011 12:09 PM            

i hope u understand.