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amelia28
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posted November 07, 2011 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this a grand cross even if the 7th cusp is a singleton and one of the oppositions involves a planet (neptune in the first) and an asteroid (vesta in the 7th)? If is not a grand cross is what I have then are two T squares?? please advice. Or is it a grand cross and the two oppositions are moon opposition mercury and sun opposition moon?

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posted November 07, 2011 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mermaid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought Grand cross involved only planets and not asteroids or Nodes.Its not Vesta but NN that's in the T-square shown.

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posted November 07, 2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Mermaid:
I thought Grand cross involved only planets and not asteroids or Nodes.Its not Vesta but NN that's in the T-square shown.

I read it can involve a singleton house though...neptune opposes vesta but does not oppose NN but the NN is involved in the Grand square.

For it to be a Grand Cross it must involve two oppositions.

Can the two oppositions both involve the moon then and can the Grand Square involve the northnode??

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posted November 07, 2011 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 07, 2011 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have a t-square involving Virgo, Sag and Pisces planets. I'm not sure if this involves a grand cross as not sure whether to aspect the n/node. I'm inclined to think no. You don't aspect VESTA and Chiron as they are asteroids. You aspect one - you aspect them all.

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amelia28
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posted November 07, 2011 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have moon conjunct IC opposite mercury conjuct MC and the Sun...then sun and mercury/MC square neptune and neptune squares the moon/IC and the moon squares the northnode and the northnode squares mercury/MC.

But if NN or a singleton 7th cusp cannot be included in the Grand Cross then is not a grand cross but perhaps what I have are two tsquares involving moon, mercury and neptune and moon, sun, and neptune right?


Someone that can read charts please Clarify!

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amelia28
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posted November 07, 2011 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Coffee:
You have a t-square involving Virgo, Sag and Pisces planets. I'm not sure if this involves a grand cross as not sure whether to aspect the n/node. I'm inclined to think no. You don't aspect VESTA and Chiron as they are asteroids. You aspect one - you aspect them all.

Thank you so probably what I have is one Tsquare for me to have two tsquares the second tsquare would have to involve cardinal or fixed signs?

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posted November 07, 2011 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you have tow t-squares.. i think you'd KNOW if you had a grand cross.. you'd feel it.

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posted November 07, 2011 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work on an orb of 15 degrees either side, so work out how many you have within orb.

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posted November 07, 2011 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
you have tow t-squares.. i think you'd KNOW if you had a grand cross.. you'd feel it.


I do feel sometimes like I am been pulled at different directions resulting in indecisiveness but that could be the two tsquares. Quite frankly is a relief to know I dont have a grand cross. I was thinking I did last night and it was freaking me out BC I was like oh great my challenges are even bigger than I thought now LOL.

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