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posted November 10, 2011 03:41 AM            

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I like this site and thought I would share it. This artical is about The phases Mercury and Venus go through (similar to the lunar phases) and how each of those phases effect us.

Mercury - http://www.khaldea.com/planets/merc_type.shtml

Venus - http://www.khaldea.com/planets/venus_type.shtml

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posted November 10, 2011 03:44 AM            

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Which Mercury and Venus do you have?

My Mercury is Capricorn/Epimethean-Direct and my Venus is Scorpio/Lucifer-Direct.

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posted November 10, 2011 08:57 AM            

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venus in taurus 7th house conjunct merc in aries 6th house.

both are not retro.

hmm.. merc is clockwise to the sun so is that promethean direct?

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If your were born during Mercury’s Promethean-Direct phase, you possess an intuitive mind coupled with effective faculties of communication, enabling you to both convince others of the validity of your ideas and to inspire them with your future-oriented, farseeing vision. If you were born near Mercury’s maximum elongation, you may be so mentally intense and certain that some might find you overwhelming, while others may find you mentally stimulating and inspiring.
Mind is neutral, which explains why astrological tradition assigns asexual attributes to Mercury. As a Promethean-Direct type, you need to focus on values (symbolized by Venus), because without a clear set of guiding values and ideals, a powerful Promethean-Direct mind can be a ruthless force. Cultivate mental watchfulness because your thoughts, ideas and visions may become concrete realities.
The second face of Mercury is seen in the birth charts of Presidents Einsenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush and Clinton. Fathers of the American Revolution, Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, exemplify the Promethean-Direct type, as do Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltson. The originator of the Quantum Theory, Max Planck, was born during this phase as well. So were Franz Liszt, precursor of the modern superstar, and his friend George Sand, the famous nineteenth-century novelist and liberated woman. Al Gore and the Dalai Lama of Tibet are also Promethean-Direct types.

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venus lucifer direct would be my venus type. i do not think i bounce back quickly though LOL! i wish bt it takes me a loong to recover from a breakup.. it is true though that i conceal alot of emotions. i am water dominant but all scorpio after all..

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Venus is seen stationary, turning direct, about three weeks after its inferior conjunction with the Sun, marking the beginning of the approximately nine-month long Lucifer-Direct phase of Venus. During this face of Venus, the emotions become more relaxed, free-flowing and less encumbered by fear of loss, hurt and rejection.
Venus Lucifer direct people are not necessarily more emotional, or even more emotionally demonstrative, than Venus Lucifer retrograde types. But whereas Lucifer retrograde people internalize emotional difficulties, often to an intense degree, and tend to fear or anticipate future emotional hurt, Lucifer direct people are more emotionally relaxed, at ease and resilient. They seem to quickly bounce back from a romantic break-up, a personal rejection, a disappointment or an insult. Because they appear to bounce back so easily, and because they do not always appear to register emotional impacts, Lucifer direct types sometimes seem like emotionally detached social butterflies. But such an impression can be deceptive because Lucifer direct people can be very adapt at concealing their emotions, which are often far more intense, delicate and vulnerable than they care to reveal. This is especially so of people born during the early part of the Lucifer direct phase, because they tend to be working their way out of the Venus retrograde character, and are therefore more delicate emotionally than those born later on in the phase, who tend to possess quicker, more fluid emotional natures.
Venus Lucifer types often conceal the more vibrant (and dark) sides of their emotions because they desire to fit into the cultural mainstream, a tactic Venus Morning Star direct people often feel will at once give them a greater sense of self-worth and enable them to effect their culture and its values and ideals more successfully. Nevertheless, Lucifer direct people can be very direct and demonstrative regarding their feelings, and they tend to have an open and optimistic approach to life and to relationships.
Venus Lucifer direct people are often involved in promoting new values, ideals, outlooks and ways of life created or exemplified by others. They do not wish to live a life "against the grain," which is more the destiny of Lucifer retrograde types. And because they wish to "fit in," they tend not to "act out" their emotional turmoil as fully as Venus Morning Star retrograde types.
Although Lucifer direct types are not likely candidates for a tragic, misunderstood artist, they are often very successful at producing the sort of social and culture reforms and change the more tormented and misunderstood Lucifer retrograde types dedicate themselves. They excel at politics, leadership and the at art of making things happen. Bestowed with a strong sense of ideals, Venus Lucifer direct people are often of a humanitarian spirit, wishing, and often working long and hard, to make a beneficial contribution to society.

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posted November 10, 2011 09:00 AM            

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Interesting. Thanks Xiiro.

Mercury in Libra/Epimethean Direct.
Venus in Leo/Lucifer Direct.

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posted November 10, 2011 09:05 AM            

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Interesting indeed.

My Mercury = Virgo/Epimethean-Direct
My Venus = Cancer/Lucifer-Direct.

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posted November 10, 2011 10:59 AM            

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Cool find

Mercury in Sag: Promethean-Retrograde
Venus in Scorp: Lucifer-Direct

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posted November 10, 2011 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
venus in taurus 7th house conjunct merc in aries 6th house.

venus lucifer direct would be my venus type. i do not think i bounce back quickly though LOL! i wish bt it takes me a loong to recover from a breakup.. it is true though that i conceal alot of emotions. i am water dominant but all scorpio after all..

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How many degrees away from the Sun is your Venus? My Venus is Lucifer-Direct too, but it is at the end of maximum elongation and before the superior conjunction, so my description was further down the page

"We now come to a long segment of the Venus Lucifer direct phase during which a much larger number of people are born than during the "sub-phases" discussed above. Coming out the its maximum elongation from the Sun, Venus Morning Star spends about six months increasing velocity and moving closer to the Sun - advancing toward the superior conjunction. This part of the cycle of Venus symbolizes a gradual refinement of goals and values, as well as a more deliberate and confident approach to relationships. In a sense, Venusian qualities are being honed and better defined as they become closer integrated with Solar will. The emotional nature becomes more fluid, spontaneous and fearless as Venus gains velocity over the Sun, and individuals born during this period tend to be more emotionally secure and demonstrative than those born before maximum elongation. Yet other horoscope factors, such as Saturn retrograde, may figure into the picture, which may symbolize a tempering or repression of the emotions and the expression . . . or, at times, just the opposite. Additionally, individuals born toward the close of the Venus Morning Star direct phase often seem to take on some of the characteristics of associated with Venus Evening Star types.
In astrological symbolism the planet Venus and the sign Taurus represent the throat, the vocal chords, the voice, vocalists and singers. Early woman of Rock, Ann Wilson, and alternative singer/songwriter Alanis Morissette, were both born a couple months after maximum elongation of Venus Morning Star, and the horoscopes of both feature Venus in the sign Taurus.
During the early-70s Ann Wilson formed Heart - one of the first successful Rock bands led by women - with her sister, guitarist Nancy Wilson. One of the strongest and most compelling voices of Rock, Ann Wilson was born with Venus rising about thirty-six degrees before the Sun, with Mercury situated between the two. In her chart Venus is seen in Taurus just below the Descendant, square a powerful Moon-Pluto conjunction in the ninth house Leo. Additionally, Venus is the focus of a number of quintile and decile based aspects (derived by division of 360 by 5 and 10, or multiples of 5 and 10, producing aspects of 36 degrees, 72 degrees, 108 degrees, 144 degrees, and so on. See my The EON: The 36 Cyclic Aspects Symbolically Depicted for more on the aspects). In addition to forming a decile (36 degrees) with the Sun, Venus is also involved in a triangular formation consisting of a bi-quintile (144 degrees) to Neptune and a quintile to Jupiter, with a bi-quintile between Jupiter and Neptune. It is an apt configuration for talent, fame and success as a vocalist and songwriter, but there might be a story behind the singleton Jupiter standing alone at the Nadir.
The birth-chart of Alanis Morissette also features a number of decile and quintile based aspects. Venus in the tenth house, Taurus, rises forty degrees before the Sun (a novile aspect) and is bi-quintile Neptune in the fifth house of creativity and self-expression - a fitting symbol for a highly expressive singer. Significantly, Venus is exactly opposite the Moon in the forth house, Scorpio, which is conjunct Uranus retrograde – a striking symbol of the female angst which in 1997 brought Alanis worldwide attention (and unparalleled success) with her album Jagged Little Pill.
Icon Madonna was born a bit further along the Venus cycle, when Venus rose about twenty-two degrees before the Sun; that is, midway between maximum elongation and the superior conjunction. Both Venus and the Sun are in Leo, with Venus in the eleventh house of associations, connections and aspirations, and with the Sun in the twelfth house (with three other planets), suggesting she is much deeper and more complex than her public image. Notably, the edgy and non-conformist planet Uranus stands midway between the Sun and Venus. Additionally, Venus forms a tight square to Neptune (music) in the second house (money), which is conjunct Jupiter (expansion, compensation, success) and the north lunar node (what one aspires toward). Saturn is retrograde in the fourth house.
Giovanni Casanova was also born midway between maximum elongation and the superior conjunction. In his instance, Mercury rises between Venus and the Sun. Venus and Mercury are conjunct in the fifth house Pisces, and Mars and Jupiter are also seen in the fifth. Uranus (conjunct the south lunar node) is rising and, significantly, Mercury (the scribe) and Venus are opposite Pluto retrograde in the eleventh house of friends, associations and social enjoyments. Casanova was more than a famous lover who wrote a lot about his sexual exploits (Venus, Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter in the fifth house), he was also a penetrating social historian and his autobiography not merely depict his sexual escapades, they also provide an inside look at the courts and aristocracy of his time.
Victoria Woodhull was one of the most important women of the 19th century, and one of the most Promethean women of all time. An early feminist, one of the first truly liberated women, a consort of J.P. Morgan, an early health food advocate, a financial advisor, one of the first "channel writers," and a candidate for the office of the President of the United States, Victoria Woodhull was born with the Sun and Jupiter at the Ascendant, both in the last degree of Virgo. Venus rose twenty-one degrees before the Sun, and Jupiter and Mercury retrograde are seen between the Sun and Venus.
The birth-chart of nineteenth-century social satirist Oscar Wilde shows Venus rising fifteen degrees before the Sun. Venus is the focus of a number of septile based aspects (derived by the division of 360 by 7 and by multiples of 7). Venus also forms a bi-quintile aspect with Uranus (he was persecuted for his unconventional, homosexual lifestyle) and a decile with Mercury, symbolizing his literary artistry and talent."

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posted November 10, 2011 05:04 PM            

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The description of the Promethean Direct Mercury, oh yes!

And I'm not sure about Retro-Lucifer Venus - some thing rang true...

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