posted November 14, 2011 09:51 AM            

For as long as I have been into astrology,the ascendant position has held much intrigue for me.

Its always been,well atleast to me, the most changeable, flaky, fleeting yet(paradoxically) fascinating position in a chart.

Last night , my mom,sis and myself were having a conversation. Since my sister was celebrating her 17th birthday, I joked that she is not yet 17 until the clock strikes 17:00pm.

I said this jokingly because , in the past, my mom had mentioned that my sister was born in the evening "at around 17:00pm" and so I took her rising sign, according to astro.com as well as cafeastrology, to be Taurus.

She really does exude the qualities of Taurus and I never ever assumed that I could be wrong.

But last night , as I joked about this, my mom interrupted me and said that my sister was not born around that time , but much later.

This time, she said "around 20:00pm because I recall that it was dark outside."

Now this throws the whole thing offcourse as this changes her Asc from Taurus to Gemini? Huh?? I really didn't see that coming.

Later on my mom said "I recall when each of you were born."

I listened intently to see if she'd accurately recall when she said I was born and she continued.." You(meaning me) were born in the afternoon,at around 13:00 pm."

Now , all this time, I believed that I was born at Mid-day at about 15:00pm.

But with my other sister, she still remained accurate. Her asc, true to her time being 12:00 noon, is still Leo.

So now, I think I have a new ascendant(namely Aries). But Taurus, I believed, suited me so well. So that is why I find myself in this predicament. How certain can one be of their rising sign if the time that they were born in is not certain?

My mom, bless her, doesn't realize the relevance/ the importance of remebering the exact time. She keeps on changing positions about it.At some point, she even said it was "around 16:00pm". WTF???

Well, Librarising offers a solution: the best way to ascertain one's ascendant is to observe the people that one is drawn to continously in one's life.

So, if you are sorrounded by a lot of Arians in your life, then that may mean that your ascendant could be in that sign; namely Aries. If you ae sorrounded by Taurus, then Taurus etc.

But here is the problem. I agree that Taurians don't feature much in my life(even the moon being there), but I do have a lot of Gemin/Pisces people in my life.And if Pisces is rising than I would have been born much earlier than 13:00pm.

And with Gemini Ascendant, I would have been born at around 17:00pm. gawd!!!!

I looked at the Pisces rising character analysis, I can't say that I am indidfferent to it. But the Aries character really does bug me as I am NOT aggressive, in your face,annoying and "masculine" as the sign is described to be(on the other hand it could be a stereotype)

Falling short of going through extreme methods like "birth time rectification"(which in and of itself is not conclusive),how can one ascertain one's rising sign through a more simplistic approach?

Or is the rising sign something that someone like me should just discount as it has yet to bare a plausible conclusion?

posted November 14, 2011 10:37 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:

Well, Librarising offers a solution: the best way to ascertain one's ascendant is to observe the people that one is drawn to continously in one's life.

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Well that explains the sh!t ton of Virgo people in my life.

posted November 14, 2011 10:52 AM            

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Well, Librarising offers a solution: the best way to ascertain one's ascendant is to observe the people that one is drawn to continously in one's life.

So, if you are sorrounded by a lot of Arians in your life, then that may mean that your ascendant could be in that sign; namely Aries. If you ae sorrounded by Taurus, then Taurus etc.

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This isn't necessarily true.

2 reasons:
- Your DSC is what draws people to you. So if you have a lot of Aries in your life, presumably you're a Libra Rising.
- In my personal experience, even THIS isn't all that accurate. Virgo or people with Virgo placements feature strongly in my life and it's the sign on my IC, not Sag (I'm a Gem Rising).

posted November 14, 2011 11:53 AM            

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amowls**:
Your DSC is what draws people to you. So if you have a lot of Aries in your life, presumably you're a Libra Rising.

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There is some truth to what the Original Poster says because we tend to choose to be around people we feel comfortable with. So naturally someone with Libra Rising would enjoy being around Libra Suns. I'm an Aquarius Rising and I love being around Aqua's because I feel like they really understand me.

The Descendant indicates what we look for in a partner, what we are interested in. We don't necessarily attract our DSC as much as we intentionally or even unconsciously search for people who possess those traits. I don't draw in Leos (my descendant) but I do like people that are outgoing and warm with big hearts! I don't have many friends who are Leo's but I did have a significant relationship with one.

posted November 15, 2011 12:23 AM            

Well, that is a bit tricky for me but I'll see what come up with.....

posted November 15, 2011 02:15 AM            

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
How do you go about posting a pic on Lindaland anyway?

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posted November 16, 2011 12:41 AM            

I tried.

posted November 17, 2011 04:20 AM            

What you have pointed out here is actually the biggest issue in horoscopic natal astrology: many people do not match what their Asc sign is supposed to be. However, it would be very easy to get tied up in all the confusion surrounding mother's word of mouth (and apparently conflicting) birth time reports. Word of mouth reports very often are simply not accurate or consistent. Now US Pres Barack Obama was asked directly a couple years before the 2008 election and he said, "1:06 pm." Astrologers rushed to publish and an 8* Scorpio chart was circulated for him and interpreted ad infinitum.

In any case, the Asc and rectification is my professional specialty and I can tell you that the correct Ascendant (sign and degree) is the one that the person expresses (from within their DNA) and rarely ever closely equates to what the recorded time of birth says. The only one that I think might is Teddy Roosevelt, but I cannot confirm that since I have yet to validate his birth chart completely.

When we rectify a birth chart we aren't rectifying the time, so much as the chart. Obviously the two are hinged together, but what matters is the chart. You and your sister are probably Taurus rising people, as you previously believed. A high percentage of the time the correct Asc is in the sign previous to the one supposed by the birth time of record. I had one client this year whose chart had to be turned back 4 signs! When such a rectification is done according to the methods and upon the basis of Incarn astrology we are doing what is called a validation, which meets the most specific and stringent standards in the field of modern astrology. You can read them here: http://wp.me/p1UxSX-14

As you can see on my blog, I can rectify and validate (prove astrologically) anyone's chart even without any notion of time (given enough time and information from the client).
This is done with clear understanding of both mundane and natal rulerships to test any given horoscope.

I recently did a quick survey of fully validated client and celebrity examples and only 25% of them had validated charts with a rising sign that matched what the birth time suggested.