posted November 16, 2011 05:27 PM            

one person i thought would be too soon to know if they were twelfth house or not, proved me wrong.. we met and by the end of the night, i found out they told their significant other that they thought i was getting 'too close'.. mind you, that was not at ALL the case but it created a thing between the person they were with and i with their stupid 'mistake'! what they wanted was attention and to get their lover jealous; i had no idea why they'd try to use me for that but i wasn't having it.. i sent both of them to hell.

one person that i used to talk to on a daily basis on the phone when i was younger used to be a close friend and from what i heard, they'd stick up for me in conversations i was brought up when other people mentioned something about me.. well, one day i found out they were not exactly saying all the time nice things because they blurted some things out over the phone when they didn't know i was there about me that hurt my feelings because i had not expected it of them...

turns out their mercury and sun were in my twelfth house and since i've gotten to study astrology, i've been looking at how some things play out..

one of my biological estranged parents; got in touch with them after yearrrrrrrrs of not communicating or even knowing one another, really.. they'd talk to me about the most wonderful things that i could probably think of and i found them encouraging and supportive and all things i kind of hoped one of them would be but then i found out something else... a letter they sent to one of their other kids from another marriage talked about me and all of the spiritual jumbo they'd chant about and the encouragement, etc, flew straight out of the window!!!!!! it's as if i didn't even know who the hell it was i had been talking to for that short amt of time...

they were talking about me, called me some names, said what they really thought and of course, they wouldn't tell me..

they didn't make the mistake of sending me it, but a gemini that was facilitating the whole thing did and i think they did it on purpose and i completely thank them!

right after, i just sent the whole thing to hell and told person-X to f'ck off; sun and mercury in my twelfth.

because of that, i don't really take things lightly when it comes to it being of the twelfth.. just last night, i was starting to wonder if the 'undoing' could work both ways.. the twelfth house person could undo someone (not even knowing it) leaving the other one resentful and definitely one to not f'ck with..

every time that i've been the planet person, i've wondered if my twelfth would be activated at the same time that i'm the person in the twelfth because of how p!ssed i've ended up getting!

one person with my venus that fell in their twelfth, ended up getting in touch with someone that i once dated before they let me know something only the other person would know which very much p!ssed me off so of course, i never again then talked to them.

there was mistrust, alright.. i experienced jupiter there in synastry once and i found i used to just seem to be easily getting through everything and what i wanted around them.. til i then would see them go off somewhere online on a rant about how p!ssed they were because of how stupid everyone else would be (*we'd gone out and i attracted all the things said person would've probably have liked to be and even in social situations, they'd seem urked at how easy it'd be for me and how slighted they'd be because of their sh!tty attitude; they have natal venus square natal saturn)

this could get very long so i'll shorten it here and hope i explained it in a coherent way for anyone trying to understand.

posted November 16, 2011 06:00 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
One of my best friends has her sun mercury conj in aries fall into my 12th house. I always feel that she uses and takes advantage of me like she thinks I am some kind of sucker. She has actively tried to run "games" on me once or twice before. Tho with her sun mercury square neptune in her own chart, she is very decietful and insincere with others too. I just wondered how the synastry affected us. Who doesnt see who clearly? Idk..

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possibly both... i've got the natal square between mercury and neptune and i can only comment as far as i've experienced my placement.. i've got a good aspect from jupiter to my mercury though and both make an aspect to my mars...

though i've entertained that it might be due to other aspects; i've seen how 'lies' (what the square between neptune and mercury hint to) play out and as a result of it personally affecting me, i don't do it.. i don't lie.. i ABHOR lying!

i make it an effort actually to be as honest in my dealings as i can! trying to do regular things such as sell people stuff is not my thing.. my chart says i'd be a great salesman but to be honest, i'm the one that would cough up the commission by telling the person the truth and talking them out of buying something they don't need..

but i cannot live without music...! i spend a looooooot of time in that world and i loooove great music! i write when i least expect it leaves me surprised, at times.. it can be very moving.

i'll admit to having the ability to be vague and i know how to tip toe around conversations with people that i meet in person that would like to get somewhere i'm not comfortable going but that's about as far as i'll go; i do not lie.. i can be vague, but that's just me..

i don't know about your friend so i can't say... jupiter also is in my first house; betrayal is not something that i encourage or tolerate; i am big on personal rights and spiritual rights but can just as easily be as opposing as the other person but even more when i feel they've crossed their line and i do it when i feel there is a need to defend.

so it's my jupiter, i guess...

but i can say that with their mercury in your twelfth; don't entertain that much because with my mercury in two person's twelfth, i've had information that they've probably been unaware about my knowing.. i'm not a person that would actively go out and try to get revenge or anything but in the wrong hands, that kind of information could do certain people in and u can't really always know what they'd find out so just be aware..

posted November 16, 2011 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
though i've entertained that it might be due to other aspects; i've seen how 'lies' (what the square between neptune and mercury hint to) play out and as a result of it personally affecting me, i don't do it.. i don't lie.. i ABHOR lying!

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posted November 16, 2011 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
TMask: A common thread in your experiences as the planet person seems to be that you end up getting ****** off at them for a betrayal. That's been my experience too, when my Sun was in someone's 12th. He blabbed to his friends about our issues and I found out. I had given him chances to talk to me about what bothered him about me but no, he went running to others for their stupid advice, which ruined everything. His life is an open book to everyone but me, it seems.

Scrappydog: in pop lingo, I guess we can call it the house of frenemies.

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for that very same reason, is why i stay away from lots of placements that would reside in my twelfth and when i find someone that has my placements in their twelfth, i try to be a little more conscious about how i interact with them so as to not offend them because of possibly overseeing something that may have meant something to them..

one person that had their sun in my twelfth, would get in touch with me whenever they wanted something and i'd not really mind because, well, i dunno, i didn't mind even though i knew what their motives were but then as time went on, they moved and completely changed our relationship based on what they moved for.. they had stars in their eyes so the relationship between us had become estranged.

they'd visit once or twice and i saw them..

then i found myself wanting to blow em off because we went out to eat and it wasn't til i got there that i realized it was a two birds with one stone thing where they were also going to go there to see someone else that they had known from before..

at the beginning, they spent a rude amt of time possibly about 30 minutes talking to someone else while we were there supposedly to eat..

well, we bonded over food and they left the next day while we chatted on the phone.. i had enjoyed seeing them til they got back home.. a few days later, i texted them something and they write back with a 'who's this?' i never replied as they've done something similar before.

i swore em off... but then when they were supposed to fly back to town, they wrote to me an email because i had changed my number.

acting as if nothing had happened... i completely ignored it and i could assume from that, that they'd be ****** and just the other day i bumped into one of their friends and i believe she might have my number but definitely, i wouldn't undermine that or not look at it for what it's worth.

i know that his friend is his friend so i won't be stupid by trying to not know where her loyalty lies and i also won't think that just because of not getting to their email that i'm to assume that they'd just ignore it and get on with their lives.

the last time we went out they were livid because they were getting no attention and on the contrary, i was.. it wasn't til i saw a posting of theirs on facebook going off on a rant about people in 'general' but i knew where they were going and where it was originating from.

posted November 16, 2011 06:20 PM            

I think lying has to do with the environment you grew up in. Perhaps parents didn't give child enough attention or instilled confidence in the child!

I think lying cannot be detected by looking at a chart. A lot of behavior is the result of genetics interacting with the environment so your chart is your genetics lets say but how your chart will be expressed will be determined by the interaction of chart with environmental triggers.

posted November 16, 2011 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by scrappydog:
So yes I think the undoing works in both ways...

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posted November 16, 2011 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I abhor lying too and I have mercury square neptune.

I think lying has to do with the environment you grew up in. Perhaps parents didn't give child enough attention or instilled confidence in the child!

I think lying cannot be detected by looking at a chart. A lot of behavior is the result of genetics interacting with the environment so your chart is your genetics lets say but how your chart will be expressed will be determined by the interaction of chart with environmental triggers.

So you cant look at a chart and assume that someone rapes, murders, lies or steals in my opinion.

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i don't know if i'd personally agree with all of that.. i agree as far as no title can be given to the aspects but definitely the energy can be considered when taking into acct everything else! ignorant astrology is counterproductive so (directed at no one i'm saying this in general) i really do encourage anyone that's somewhat into it to really get in there because fiddling around with stuff on the surface could possibly end up confusing and create a lot of everything that could be unnecessary.

stupidity and ignorance are a VERY dangerous pair! try very hard to be 'certain' because if not, that's where blind spots give in and that's where you don't want anyone entering into your house through, guys.

posted November 16, 2011 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
i don't know if i'd personally agree with all of that.. i agree as far as no title can be given to the aspects but definitely the energy can be considered when taking into acct everything else! ignorant astrology is counterproductive so (directed at no one i'm saying this in general) i really do encourage anyone that's somewhat into it to really get in there because fiddling around with stuff on the surface could possibly end up confusing and create a lot of everything that could be unnecessary.

stupidity and ignorance are a VERY dangerous pair! try very hard to be 'certain' because if not, that's where blind spots give in and that's where you don't want anyone entering into your house through, guys.

awareness is in; it's the new black.

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I dont understand what you are saying. Perhaps you didn't understand my point either.

All I know is that I am blunt and dont like lying and I Have mercury square neptune so this idea that mercury square neptune means you lie is not true for me.

You dont have to agree with Epigenetics but I tend to agree with science if is backed up with research well enough.

posted November 16, 2011 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I dont understand what you are saying. Perhaps you didn't understand my point either.

All I know is that I am blunt and dont like lying and I Have mercury square neptune so this idea that mercury square neptune means you lie is not true for me.

You dont have to agree with Epigenetics but I tend to agree with science if is backed up with research well enough.

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oh, i meant in reference to the 'titles' and things that you said couldn't be seen in a chart... LOTS can be seen in a chart, though i don't think it can be unless looked at objectively, as whole (standard) but certain inclinations do reveal themselves there and as far as i go, i don't lie; i do and am aware of the influence of neptune, though.. if i wasn't, i would be untrue to myself; i just express it in other ways than might be otherwise explained... my understanding of it being because of everything else that i have in my chart making all of their aspects.

posted November 16, 2011 06:50 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I get what you are saying now. I channel my neptune with compassion, daydreaming, music, romantic movies LOL but not with lying to others and I try to be very self aware so I don't lie to myself either.

Now it makes sense, that is why you mentioned self awareness been the new black. Got you!

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