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Topic: Lal Kitab: Mysterious Ancient Insights
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iQ
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posted November 17, 2011 03:36 AM
  
This is a mysterious astrology book analyzing the fated events based on Vedic Planets and their house positions. Likely to have come as a research into Vedas by Persians and Mughals, and possibly Upanishad experts who are non-Brahmin, it prescribes colorful and strange remedies to prevent astrological maladies.It is 10 times less complicated than Vedic Jyotish. After a detailed research, I have come to the conclusion that it can be an effective too to answer questions on the why of fated personal suffering, even though many other dictums in it do not work all the time. Links:
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Origin: http://astrobix.com/articles/The-History-of-Lal-Kitab.aspx Text:
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From Dutch Astrologer Martin Rai's website. Martin has an amazing range of life experiences and and met powerful occult experts in India. He has added more on the origins of this mysterious book.
http://www.martinrai.com/english/lal_kitab_introduction.htm --------------------------------------------- Some of the predictive points in Lal Kitab which you will see in the introduction page are remarkable accurate. They are not intended to scare but to create awareness of the problem. Example:
"Mars in the 7th is considered to be highly conducive for gaining large property. But if mercury is in the Lagna[1st House], it will destroy the properties. It will be destroyed because of the foolishness of the native, because here the Mercury being in the first house is Karaka of the native. At the same time if the Mercury is in the 8th house, it will again destroy the properties, but here the reasons for destination will be unknown and invisible, because the active elements of the 8th house are always secretive and mysterious in nature over which the native has no control." We may not appreciate the above prediction that much but it can have amazing implications for a wannabe Donald Trump, or one about to invest life savings in real estate. A professional astrologer must keep such points in mind. A corollary is that Mercury or Mars in 8th people must be aware of mysterious negativity with respect to risks taken with other people's money.
I found similar tough predictions for North Node conjunct Mercury in 8th House. Do go through this text and try to analyze from the events that have occurred in your own chart the veracity of the more difficult predictions (ignoring the old fashioned predictions like wife/husband will be barren/impotent when xyz is in abc house etc because fertility treatment was not available in the dark ages). It could become a valuable asset.
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http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html Readings IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 17, 2011 06:12 AM
Are we using sidereal or tropical for that?IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 17, 2011 07:20 AM
I use Tropical, Vedics will use Sidereal. But it does not matter because Lal Kitab uses only House Positions and conjunctions within a house, that too whole sign method. It does not care about Signs or aspects between planets.One more link about its origins: http://www.angelfire.com/celeb/shatendra/skslalkitab.html IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 17, 2011 07:24 AM
Well, even using whole sign houses it makes a difference as it seems to consider the lords of the houses.In tropical my 1st house would be Sag, in sidereal it would be Scorpio. So the lord of the 5th house would be different for example. Anyway, are we using the traditional planets as houserulers? Or also considering Uranus, neptune, Pluto? IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 17, 2011 07:55 AM
The Lord of the 5th stuff would be Vedic Jyotish, which is also mentioned in Martin Rai's site. The LaL Kitab System will not consider House Lords, its whole purpose was to make things simpler.
Please check this link: http://www.astrosage.com/lalkitab/LKSaturn.asp Yes, some of the House Positions would change if we combine whole signs and sidereal. I do not know how to solve that riddle yet, am using trial and error of descriptions to assess 
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iQ
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posted November 17, 2011 08:06 AM
Here are two descriptions that worked for my family:Mars in 2nd House = High chances of being the Eldest Child.
True for me.
Mars in 3rd = High chances of having a sibling.
True for my son and daughter.
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Ceridwen
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posted November 17, 2011 09:10 AM
Thanks.Oh and how do I know if a planet is malefic? And if they talk about aspects, are they meaning whole sign aspects? IP: Logged |
sunshine9
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posted November 17, 2011 09:25 AM
Wow, thanks for the link and the information, iQ! I'm going to dig into this too..IP: Logged |
sunshine9
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posted November 17, 2011 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And if they talk about aspects, are they meaning whole sign aspects?
I'm wondering about that too.. and what orbs to use for aspects. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted November 17, 2011 09:43 AM
As far as I know Vedic does not use orbs.IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 17, 2011 12:43 PM
Some of the terms are not clear. The book was translated from Urdu to Punjabi to English, in haste I guess. The actual Volume is more than 1000 pages, I will see if I can find transcripts of that.
The author could actually create a Natal Chart by just looking at someone's face and house!The previous such amazing feat was in the South Indian Temple of Tanjore where the Nadi Astrologers could create a horoscope by looking at the thumb print. In another book, I read that a Rishi could assess 25 past and future incarnations by looking at the present Natal Chart. It is mathematically mind boggling. IP: Logged |
Hera
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posted November 17, 2011 04:38 PM
quote:
Originally posted by iQ:
Here are two descriptions that worked for my family:Mars in 2nd House = High chances of being the Eldest Child.
True for me.
Mars in 3rd = High chances of having a sibling.
True for my son and daughter.
I have Mars in the 3rd in regular/Placidus system, though with whole signs I believe it moves into the 4th house. I'm an only child and I believe Mars in the 4th makes me manglik?  BTW: good to see you again, IQ. It's Izo. Blessings to your family! IP: Logged |
maira
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posted November 17, 2011 05:00 PM
iQ, have I understood this correctly? Lal Kitab does not care about signs, and the only ascendant is Aries...this coupled with whole sign would mean that if, for example, Saturn is in Libra, one would read it as being in the 7th?
Thank you!
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maira
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posted November 17, 2011 05:08 PM
It's the signs that change, not the houses - my Aries Sun in the 7th became Libra sun in the 7th, Taurus Moon in the 8th became Scorpio and so on.Here's a free site: http://www.astrosage.com/freechart/ IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted November 17, 2011 05:16 PM
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If the native gets married after 22 years his eyesight will be affected adversely.
True for me, I'm blind as a bat and unmarried at 23 lol edit: nvm this was based on Saturn being in my 7th in Western astrology, apparently my Saturn is in the 9th according to Lal Kitab?? IP: Logged |
maira
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posted November 17, 2011 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
True for me, I'm blind as a bat and unmarried at 23 loledit: nvm this was based on Saturn being in my 7th in Western astrology, apparently my Saturn is in the 9th according to Lal Kitab??
The interpretations ring true for me when I used the house positions from Western too... IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted November 18, 2011 03:08 AM
I cross checked in a Vedic Site, the Lal Kitab Horoscope is the same as the Sidereal Whole Sign Horoscope but in interpretation, only the House Number is considered.
It is possible that there is a lot more nuance in making this chart, I am trying to get more material. I have a very strong feeling that this book has necessary insights [if we can overlook some of the rustic comments and ill-omens which were in the form of poetic comments made by the Entity communicating to Pandit RC Joshi].It cleared some of my doubts about Mercury in 8th, Sun in 7th and Saturn in 10th. There is some holistic philosophy involved too, which may be better explained in the original text. The first house is taken to be the King.
The 7th = Minister
The 8th = Eyes of the Minister
The 11th = Feet of the King So any opposition in 1 and 7 = Strife in life. If 8th is afflicted, the Minister's Eyes will stray from service to the King. Etc. I would imagine: The 2nd to be Hands of the King to receive, 3rd to be Kings Family, 5th to be Prince, 4th to be Castle, 9th to be Ministers Horse, 10th to be Government Building where Minister works for the King, 6th to be Servant of the King and 12th to be the Royal Court/Prison etc. I do not know for sure but it just seems like a nice model to quickly understand the basic chart from a Vedic viewpoint. IP: Logged |
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